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#21 Northern Sol

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Posted 10 January 2014 - 12:45 PM

I don't think Motown was just invented for whites. Many young whites discovered it and got into it so Berry Gordy cottoned on to the idea of making it popular.
I remember hearing reggae records in punk clubs/gigs like Burning Spear 'do you remember the days of slavery' and didn't think they were wrong to remember the issue. ...I just wasn't responsible!

I wouldn't go so far as to say that it was invented for whites but Berry Gordy went out of his way to make it "white friendly". 



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Posted 10 January 2014 - 01:09 PM

I remember hearing reggae records in punk clubs/gigs like Burning Spear 'do you remember the days of slavery' and didn't think they were wrong to remember the issue. ...I just wasn't responsible!

 

 

 

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Posted 10 January 2014 - 04:52 PM

Possibly so. But the point remains that some people are constantly pushing the guilt trip on the black/white angle and it gets on my tats.

 

But that's the very point he was making in the interview I saw.  

 

He was rejecting the accusation that he made the film to specifically make white people feel guilty.  He was saying the very opposite of the thing that's apparently got you so annoyed - so I'm not sure the point does remain in relation to him.  

 

I'm only going by what he said in the Newsnight interview - you should probably watch it:

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk...t-arts-25632892



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Posted 10 January 2014 - 10:13 PM

 

He also claimed that his parents were West Indian and so that basically makes him the same as a an African American. No, it doesn't.

It does in two ways: he is black and his ancestors may also have been taken into slavery.  The British worked slaves on the plantations in the West Indies and some West Indians were taken to the USA albeit not in the same numbers as Africans (and of course until we changed our minds we were heavily involved in that business too).

 

I am looking forward to seeing this film simply because of the British connection.  I am interested to find out whether there is a different slant on it when compared to other films dealing with the same issue, aside from the main character being initially a free man in the USA (as opposed to in Africa).


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#25 Northern Sol

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Posted 10 January 2014 - 10:19 PM

It does in two ways: he is black and his ancestors may also have been taken into slavery.  The British worked slaves on the plantations in the West Indies and some West Indians were taken to the USA albeit not in the same numbers as Africans (and of course until we changed our minds we were heavily involved in that business too).

 

I am looking forward to seeing this film simply because of the British connection.  I am interested to find out whether there is a different slant on it when compared to other films dealing with the same issue, aside from the main character being initially a free man in the USA (as opposed to in Africa).

Yes, that is all true but at the same time slavery ended a long, long time ago. At some point, it is time to give it up. That's not to say that slavery was okay but people need to live in 2014.



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Posted 10 January 2014 - 10:19 PM

At some point we have to accept it was wrong, put it behind us, and move on together. Bringing it up again, and again, and again, doesn't really serve any purpose.

I don't think the Americans are yet at the point where it is behind them.  While slavery has been abolished in the USA for some time, colour segregation was abolished only relatively recently and its effects are still very much in evidence in American society.  Putting slavery and its consequences behind them may take another couple of generations for Americans, white and black.



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Posted 10 January 2014 - 10:35 PM

Yes, that is all true but at the same time slavery ended a long, long time ago. At some point, it is time to give it up. That's not to say that slavery was okay but people need to live in 2014.

Sadly, slavery is still alive and kicking, and in Britain, in 2014!

 

However, while enslaving black people was officially abolished in 1865 in the USA, segregation on the basis of 'separate but equal' was deemed constitutional towards the end of the 19th century and was only made illegal in 1954.  It was only in the 1960s, usually as a result of demonstration and violence, that segregation began to be overcome in practice as well as principle.  There are a lot of people alive today who were alive then. 


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#28 Northern Sol

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Posted 10 January 2014 - 11:11 PM

Sadly, slavery is still alive and kicking, and in Britain, in 2014!

 

However, while enslaving black people was officially abolished in 1865 in the USA, segregation on the basis of 'separate but equal' was deemed constitutional towards the end of the 19th century and was only made illegal in 1954.  It was only in the 1960s, usually as a result of demonstration and violence, that segregation began to be overcome in practice as well as principle.  There are a lot of people alive today who were alive then. 

Yeah, but Steve McQueen isn't one of them. He grew up in the UK and his parents were from the unsegregated West Indies.

 

Slavery might still exist but it isn't a black vs white thing. Slavery never was exclusively black vs white.


Edited by Northern Sol, 10 January 2014 - 11:12 PM.


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Posted 11 January 2014 - 01:34 AM

Yes, that is all true but at the same time slavery ended a long, long time ago. At some point, it is time to give it up. That's not to say that slavery was okay but people need to live in 2014.

 

In 2014 there are hundreds, if not thousands, of slaves in the UK including Trafficed East European prostitutes and coerced wives.


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Posted 11 January 2014 - 08:37 AM

In 2014 there are hundreds, if not thousands, of slaves in the UK including Trafficed East European prostitutes and coerced wives.

I read around modern slavery once and the number brought in for prostitution is relatively small.  If you are importing slave labour, it is not wise to have them sharing intimate moments with members of the public.  We would never have heard about slave labour cockle pickers, were it not for the tide turning in.  Most slave labour will be very well hidden from view rather than sleeping with members of the public.


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Posted 11 January 2014 - 08:58 AM

In 2014 there are hundreds, if not thousands, of slaves in the UK including Trafficed East European prostitutes and coerced wives.

 

Apparently, and I say apparently because I can't find the report it came from, if you wanted to stop trafficking in the UK you'd close the nail bars.


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#32 Bob8

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Posted 11 January 2014 - 10:35 AM

Apparently, and I say apparently because I can't find the report it came from, if you wanted to stop trafficking in the UK you'd close the nail bars.

There are a few reports:

http://www.theguardi...ficking-vietnam Guardian Warning

http://www.dailymail...rafficking.html Daily Mail warning

http://www.huffingto...a_b_669076.html

http://abclocal.go.c...orts&id=8990740

 

No reputable sources, but plenty of articles.

 

This issue gets mixed up with a perverse feminism that suggests only men exploit women and all prostitutes are either forced at gun-point or are not really women and should be shot (therefore they must all be trafficked).


Edited by Bob8, 11 January 2014 - 10:38 AM.

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#33 Saintslass

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Posted 11 January 2014 - 12:08 PM

I read around modern slavery once and the number brought in for prostitution is relatively small.  If you are importing slave labour, it is not wise to have them sharing intimate moments with members of the public.  We would never have heard about slave labour cockle pickers, were it not for the tide turning in.  Most slave labour will be very well hidden from view rather than sleeping with members of the public.

I think you are out of touch.  And you forget too that those with learning difficulties who were born and brought up in the UK have also been subject to slavery.  In fact, one such case has just been reported on.  Trafficking generally has been given its own law only recently because of its noticeable rise.



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Posted 12 January 2014 - 02:14 PM

I think you are out of touch.  And you forget too that those with learning difficulties who were born and brought up in the UK have also been subject to slavery.  In fact, one such case has just been reported on.  Trafficking generally has been given its own law only recently because of its noticeable rise.

If you will excuse me, I was not commenting on the numbers, more that it is often seen as synonymous with prostitution, or at least that most traficking is of prostitutes and that most prostitutes are trafiicked.  There is an reaasonably well referenced article on it here that only dates from last year;

http://www.telegraph...trafficked.html


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Posted 12 January 2014 - 04:10 PM

It does in two ways: he is black and his ancestors may also have been taken into slavery.  The British worked slaves on the plantations in the West Indies and some West Indians were taken to the USA albeit not in the same numbers as Africans (and of course until we changed our minds we were heavily involved in that business too).

 

I am looking forward to seeing this film simply because of the British connection.  I am interested to find out whether there is a different slant on it when compared to other films dealing with the same issue, aside from the main character being initially a free man in the USA (as opposed to in Africa).

The Lascelles family of Harewood (cousins of the queen) made their money from slavery.


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#36 Johnoco

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Posted 12 January 2014 - 05:17 PM

The Lascelles family of Harewood (cousins of the queen) made their money from slavery.

As did many others but it isn't the point of the thread. I don't know about you but they never passed any of it on to me.

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#37 WearyRhino

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Posted 12 January 2014 - 06:16 PM

As did many others but it isn't the point of the thread. I don't know about you but they never passed any of it on to me.


Really? None of the money they made has ever been spent?

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#38 Johnoco

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Posted 12 January 2014 - 06:26 PM

Really? None of the money they made has ever been spent?

I'm sure it has but not on me.

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Posted 12 January 2014 - 06:35 PM

I'm sure it has but not on me.


So none of the businesses they invested in have ever impinged on your life, ever? Economies don't work lke that. Slavery underpinned the UK economy, the same one that exists today. The slavery money wasn't somehow extracted from the economy and destroyed. It's still there, spent, respent, invested, reinvested....

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Posted 12 January 2014 - 06:43 PM

So none of the businesses they invested in have ever impinged on your life, ever? Economies don't work lke that. Slavery underpinned the UK economy, the same one that exists today. The slavery money wasn't somehow extracted from the economy and destroyed. It's still there, spent, respent, invested, reinvested....

And you think I should feel guilty for this? Besides are you trying to argue that All the money which this country benefitted from involved slavery? No income tax then?

The people most likely to suffer in these times were people like me, either in a mill or up a chimney perhaps. I have absolutely no reason to feel guilt. I won't buy such garbage.
What made this country a superpower was men like Watt and Arkwright and their machines - not slavery. Well it was slavery, but mainly for the white working class.

Edited by Johnoco, 12 January 2014 - 06:50 PM.

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