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Who'd be in Nick Clegg's shoes...


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#1 John Drake

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Posted 21 January 2014 - 09:15 PM

It's not often these days I feel any twang of sympathy for Nick Clegg, but he does seem to be caught between a rock and a hard place with regard to Milord Rennard, who seems a rum old cove and not willing to leave the political stage, gracefully or otherwise.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-25820928


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Posted 21 January 2014 - 09:27 PM

You can dismiss the loony left and the swivel eyed loonies on the right, but an alleged predatory dirty old man is a different problem altogether to deal with, especially when they haven't nailed him.



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#3 John Drake

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Posted 21 January 2014 - 09:38 PM

You can dismiss the loony left and the swivel eyed loonies on the right, but an alleged predatory dirty old man is a different problem altogether to deal with, especially when they haven't nailed him.

 

Why were such matters left to an internal party investigation, rather than the police, that's the bit I don't understand. An attempt to sweep it quietly under the carpet, perhaps, but the outcome hasn't settled anything, just made it worse for all involved.


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Posted 21 January 2014 - 10:08 PM

Why were such matters left to an internal party investigation, rather than the police, that's the bit I don't understand. An attempt to sweep it quietly under the carpet, perhaps, but the outcome hasn't settled anything, just made it worse for all involved.

 

There does seem to be an element of the investigators coming to a conclusion they weren't briefed to come to thus leaving the Party with some difficult decisions.



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Posted 21 January 2014 - 11:27 PM

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#6 Wolford6

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Posted 22 January 2014 - 08:13 AM

I wouldn't want to be in Nick Clegg's shoes. They smell worse than the rest of him.


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Posted 22 January 2014 - 10:47 AM

It's not often these days I feel any twang of sympathy for Nick Clegg, but he does seem to be caught between a rock and a hard place with regard to Milord Rennard, who seems a rum old cove and not willing to leave the political stage, gracefully or otherwise.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-25820928

 

who seems a rum old cove

 

how diplomatic!



#8 Martyn Sadler

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Posted 22 January 2014 - 11:29 AM

Why were such matters left to an internal party investigation, rather than the police, that's the bit I don't understand. An attempt to sweep it quietly under the carpet, perhaps, but the outcome hasn't settled anything, just made it worse for all involved.

The police investigated but found there was no case to answer.

 

And the internal LibDem investigation found that the allegations were "broadly credible".

 

What does the word "broadly" mean in that context.

 

Surely the allegations were either credible or they weren't.

 

I heard an interview on Jeremy Vine's Radio 2 show yesterday with one of the female complainants.

 

She was interviewed some years ago by Rennard when she was a 30-year-old candidate. What her allegation amounts to was that he was too familiar with her.

 

You might have thought that such a problem would be easily dealt with there and then. She could surely have told him to back off, or something even stronger.

 

We are in danger of arriving at a position whereby any attempt by a male to chat up a female is capable of being interpreted as sexual harassment.

 

Respect for women is very important, but let's not involve lawyers in every aspect of human relationships.



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Posted 22 January 2014 - 11:41 AM

The police investigated but found there was no case to answer.

 

And the internal LibDem investigation found that the allegations were "broadly credible".

 

What does the word "broadly" mean in that context.

 

Surely the allegations were either credible or they weren't.

 

I heard an interview on Jeremy Vine's Radio 2 show yesterday with one of the female complainants.

 

She was interviewed some years ago by Rennard when she was a 30-year-old candidate. What her allegation amounts to was that he was too familiar with her.

 

You might have thought that such a problem would be easily dealt with there and then. She could surely have told him to back off, or something even stronger.

 

We are in danger of arriving at a position whereby any attempt by a male to chat up a female is capable of being interpreted as sexual harassment.

 

Respect for women is very important, but let's not involve lawyers in every aspect of human relationships.

 

 

We are in danger of arriving at a position whereby any attempt by a male to chat up a female is capable of being interpreted as sexual harassment.

 

it seems , though, that there has to be a a gap of between several and many years between the alleged event and the complaint.

 

When it comes to this sort of thing in tje political domain, maybe we have been conditioned by politicians into not actually believing anything anyone says.



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Posted 22 January 2014 - 11:50 AM

One of the alleged victims, Bridget Harris, said: "When I worked in the whips' office I had 10 male MPs who behaved completely inappropriately to me. It's far from unusual for researchers to have their bottoms pinched and to be kissed on the lips."

 

See http://www.theguardi...ms-lord-rennard



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Posted 22 January 2014 - 12:11 PM

One of the alleged victims, Bridget Harris, said: "When I worked in the whips' office I had 10 male MPs who behaved completely inappropriately to me. It's far from unusual for researchers to have their bottoms pinched and to be kissed on the lips."

 

See http://www.theguardi...ms-lord-rennard

In that article she says the following.

 

"Parliament is a place of blind ignorance, stuffed with racists and sexists and they are all idiots and they are accepted. And that's why I walked away. I was actually wasting my time."

 

If those are her views, I'm not sure her judgement should be trusted.



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Posted 22 January 2014 - 12:45 PM

We are in danger of arriving at a position whereby any attempt by a male to chat up a female is capable of being interpreted as sexual harassment.

 

it seems , though, that there has to be a a gap of between several and many years between the alleged event and the complaint.

 

When it comes to this sort of thing in tje political domain, maybe we have been conditioned by politicians into not actually believing anything anyone says.

 

The woman that Martyn is on about lodged a formal complaint with The Lib Dem management at the time of the incident. She hasn't just raked this up from the back of her memory.



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#13 Martyn Sadler

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Posted 22 January 2014 - 12:52 PM

The woman that Martyn is on about lodged a formal complaint with The Lib Dem management at the time of the incident. She hasn't just raked this up from the back of her memory.

Did they investigate at the time?

 

Presumably they would have had to do.

 

So what action did they take?



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Posted 22 January 2014 - 01:08 PM

We live in different times now, post Savil, post Hall, post  Catholic scandal, and it is to be hoped that the sort of behaviour alleged no longer takes place, not because people are more likely to speak out, but because it is actually wrong.  I do know it happens as a friend of mine personally experienced it from a" Pillar of (local) Society" many years ago. 

 

 

Then again,she did say "I had 10 male MPs who behaved completely inappropriately to me." but did she do anything at the time? She doesn't seem to be one who would just accept it.


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Posted 22 January 2014 - 01:13 PM

 

 

We are in danger of arriving at a position whereby any attempt by a male to chat up a female is capable of being interpreted as sexual harassment.

 

 

She was being interviewed for a job?  Why the F should he chat her up?


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#16 Martyn Sadler

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Posted 22 January 2014 - 01:56 PM

She was being interviewed for a job?  Why the F should he chat her up?

Absolutely no reason at all.

 

I was making that comment more generally.



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Posted 22 January 2014 - 02:00 PM

Absolutely no reason at all.

I was making that comment more generally.


But this affair is not "general". He's not accused of "chatting up" a woman in a pub. He's accused of using his position of power to sexually harras women in the workplace.

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#18 JohnM

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Posted 22 January 2014 - 02:03 PM

but has been cleared  via due process?  I guess who you believe is dictated by who you want to believe and why.



#19 Martyn Sadler

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Posted 22 January 2014 - 02:11 PM

But this affair is not "general". He's not accused of "chatting up" a woman in a pub. He's accused of using his position of power to sexually harras women in the workplace.

That's right, and Padge points out that she complained at the time.

 

So what happened to that complaint?

 

Was sexual harassment shown to have occurred?



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Posted 22 January 2014 - 05:25 PM

The whole thing has been handled badly. Lord R has been found guilty and abused in public by the leaders of the party. The offence has been investigated and found to have insufficient evidence. None of this should have been aired in public.

 

He probably is one of those creepy men who thinks it's OK to make inappropriate comments to young women.






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