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#21 Saintslass

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Posted 22 January 2014 - 09:00 PM

That's right, and Padge points out that she complained at the time.

 

So what happened to that complaint?

 

Was sexual harassment shown to have occurred?

I think the point she may be making is that nothing happened to the complaint, which has historically been the problem.  I'm old enough to have been on the receiving end of unwanted male attention at work without any way of changing things as back in the day it was a question of 'put up or shut up' for women in the workplace no matter how women may feel.  Groping and such like in the office was not considered an offence of any kind, much less a criminal one, and women did not feel they had anyone listening to them. 

 

Things have changed and some blokes don't like it.  Tough noogies is all I can say to them.  They have to keep their hands, eyes, and all other parts to themselves while at work and that is exactly how it should be.

 

However, nor do I want to see men vilified or victimised simply because complaints have been lodged or because men happen to be, er, men.

 

Rennard has consistently denied the charges, an internal investigation has come to the conclusion that there was insufficient evidence, and that should have been it. Unfortunate for the women if indeed he had abused them but that's how it is. However, Clegg went off on one and broke his own party's rules by banishing Rennard to the edges of the universe regardless of the enquiry's findings and made a big mess of an already messy situation.



#22 JohnM

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Posted 22 January 2014 - 09:03 PM

and now this: http://www.bbc.co.uk...litics-25852536   A much clrear case, it seems. Terrible if true 



#23 Wolford6

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Posted 22 January 2014 - 11:56 PM

I blame the SDP. The traditional Liberal Party generally confined itself to homosexual scandals.

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#24 Martyn Sadler

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Posted 23 January 2014 - 09:24 AM

I think the point she may be making is that nothing happened to the complaint, which has historically been the problem.  

But surely if she made a formal complaint shortly after the event, something must have happened.

 

Was the complaint dismissed?

 

Did someone decide it was frivolous? Perhaps even not worth investigating?

 

If she made a complaint and it was ignored, then the party deserves to be in the pickle it currently finds itself in.



#25 WearyRhino

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Posted 23 January 2014 - 10:41 AM

If she made a complaint and it was ignored, then the party deserves to be in the pickle it currently finds itself in.


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Posted 23 January 2014 - 01:40 PM

but has been cleared  via due process?  I guess who you believe is dictated by who you want to believe and why.

 

Nick Clegg doesn't appear to believe Rennard's claims of innocence and he's the leader of the party.


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#27 Saintslass

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Posted 23 January 2014 - 10:10 PM


If she made a complaint and it was ignored, then the party deserves to be in the pickle it currently finds itself in.

I think that was what was being suggested.



#28 Padge

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Posted 23 January 2014 - 11:02 PM

I think that was what was being suggested.

 

Exactly,they had been warned, they did nothing, they now have a bigger problem.

 

Just because someone complained, and got it on record, doesn't mean that something was done, other than writing it down in the complaint book and sniggering as she left.



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#29 Wolford6

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Posted 24 January 2014 - 02:47 PM

Just what Clegg needs ... another headache.

 

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#30 Bigal02

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Posted 27 January 2014 - 09:50 PM

Yeah, Who'd be in Nick Clegg's shoes?

 

In a job only paying £134, 500 for a something like a 34 week working year, where you can't be sacked for 5 years, even for the grossest incompetence.

 

If he loses his seat in the next election he'll be parachuted into a MEP's job in Brussels on another eye-watering salary, with similar job protection!

 

After politics, he'll be invited onto the boards of a load of businesses where he'll be able to lie in the five languages he speaks.

 

With all of that to worry about,I don't know how he can get to sleep at night. 



#31 ckn

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Posted 17 February 2014 - 05:16 PM

Just in case anyone forgets

 

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#32 808tone

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Posted 17 February 2014 - 07:35 PM

Just in case anyone forgets

 

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#33 JohnM

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Posted 18 February 2014 - 08:13 AM

Just in case anyone forgets

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A politician not sticking to his promises? That has to be:
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2,a surprise

#34 Trojan

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Posted 18 February 2014 - 08:21 AM

Just in case anyone forgets

 

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He's like a kipper, two faced and gutless


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#35 Wolford6

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Posted 18 February 2014 - 08:50 AM

A leech is willing to latch on to any host body.


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#36 JohnM

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Posted 18 February 2014 - 10:37 AM

You can pick any party, you can pick any era, and you can pick any senior politician, and you will find the the realities of the situation over-rule unrealisable promises.

 

Of course, if you have an irrational personal dislike of someone in power, that trumps everything...except a perfectly justifiable reasonable and rational dislike of the man who promised he'd ended boom and bust.


Edited by JohnM, 18 February 2014 - 10:39 AM.


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Posted 18 February 2014 - 01:06 PM

You can pick any party, you can pick any era, and you can pick any senior politician, and you will find the the realities of the situation over-rule unrealisable promises.

 

 

Yes that is true BUT, are you saying its ok for a politician to lie whereas it would be wrong and unreasonable for you or me to?

 

And yes, I'm human, I've told lies on more than one occasion, but that still doesn't make it right.


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#38 Martyn Sadler

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Posted 18 February 2014 - 01:26 PM

Just in case anyone forgets

 

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As we move into an era of coalition governments we are going to find more political leaders apparently going back on their promises.

 

I have no doubt that if the Tories had won an absolute majority and had been in government without the Lib Dems, Clegg would have been doing what the piece of paper's he's holding said he would do.

 

But he unexpectedly found himself in government, and had to compromise on his manifesto, as did the Tories. Both parties are unable to deliver on certain of their promises, and that's the price of entering into a coalition.

 

They may look like liars, but there's little alternative if they are to govern in coalition.

 

Those who favour coalition government should perhaps stop moaning about the consequences of such a system. We are going to see them far more often.



#39 RidingPie

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Posted 18 February 2014 - 01:36 PM

I favour coalitions and have never complained about supposed backtracked promises. Negotiations happen as somethings get lost!

 

My one thing is I think they should have held out for a referendum on STV instead of AV, but I guess thats a different topic.



#40 gingerjon

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Posted 18 February 2014 - 01:46 PM

As we move into an era of coalition governments we are going to find more political leaders apparently going back on their promises.

 

I have no doubt that if the Tories had won an absolute majority and had been in government without the Lib Dems, Clegg would have been doing what the piece of paper's he's holding said he would do.

 

But he unexpectedly found himself in government, and had to compromise on his manifesto, as did the Tories. Both parties are unable to deliver on certain of their promises, and that's the price of entering into a coalition.

 

They may look like liars, but there's little alternative if they are to govern in coalition.

 

Those who favour coalition government should perhaps stop moaning about the consequences of such a system. We are going to see them far more often.

 

That works to an extent.  But where clear commitments from within the coalition agreement itself are being dropped (i.e. MP recall) there's not much excuse at all.


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