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#21 Rubecula

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Posted 26 January 2014 - 05:30 PM

I am in favour of the stadium name change and not only for financial reasons. To me Craven Park was down Holderness Road and was a much loved stadium. When the club moved to the new stadium I think the name should have changed at that point because the stadium was an insult to the old Craven Park.
However after the new building work and new stand, the stadium looks great and it's time for a new name.

KC LIGHTSTREAM sounds exciting and modern! I like it.

#22 Padge

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Posted 26 January 2014 - 05:35 PM

But,but,but Hull isn't big enough for two SL teams and there is only enough sponsorship, juniors and spectators to support one team etc etc.

Some posters who support this view will be upset by this development.

Wait until Hull City pull the Premier League first claim on the KC 1 stadium trick and FC have to play a home game at KC2. It should be interesting.

 

Has anyone actually said that?


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#23 gingerjon

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Posted 26 January 2014 - 05:37 PM

Has anyone actually said that?

 

Parky says it sometimes.

 

So nobody who actually counts.


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#24 Old Frightful

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Posted 26 January 2014 - 05:40 PM

It was more about the name than the ground. Clearly the current stadium is only 25 years old but the name Craven Park has been used since 1922. That was the point, though I see how it wasn't made very clear.

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#25 keighley

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Posted 26 January 2014 - 08:25 PM

Has anyone actually said that?

 

Your friend and ally Mr Parksider has written volumes on those lines.



#26 Padge

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Posted 26 January 2014 - 08:40 PM

Your friend and ally Mr Parksider has written volumes on those lines.

 

He's neither my friend or ally, he is of of his own mind and thought.

 

I suspect though that he has said like me that competing for resources in an area diminishes the ability of clubs to expand.

 

Both can survive, one can thrive.

 

Its just some bloody simple maths.



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#27 keighley

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Posted 26 January 2014 - 09:18 PM

He's neither my friend or ally, he is of of his own mind and thought.

 

I suspect though that he has said like me that competing for resources in an area diminishes the ability of clubs to expand.

 

Both can survive, one can thrive.

 

Its just some bloody simple maths.

 

Is being a friend and ally incompatible with having ones own mind and thought.?  I didn't think so. The US and the UK for example.

 

I disagree with that synopsis. Wigan and St Helens compete for resources in the same area and both thrive. Hull and Hull KR  both were top dogs at the same time in the 1980's. Widnes and Warrington both have a huge resume of success from the same geographical footprint. So I guess the maths is not adding up exactly as supposed.



#28 Ullman

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Posted 26 January 2014 - 09:22 PM

Is KC Lightstream a distant cousin of KC and The Sunshine Band?

Yes but a lot more underground.


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#29 Padge

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Posted 26 January 2014 - 09:26 PM

Is being a friend and ally incompatible with having ones own mind and thought.?  I didn't think so. The US and the UK for example.

 

I disagree with that synopsis. Wigan and St Helens compete for resources in the same area and both thrive. Hull and Hull KR  both were top dogs at the same time in the 1980's. Widnes and Warrington both have a huge resume of success from the same geographical footprint. So I guess the maths is not adding up exactly as supposed.

 

How many times do  I have to post the demographics before you understand.

 

South Lancashire is the most densely populated area outside of London.

 

Count populations, count averages, count, count count,.

 

Do the maths.


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#30 Wellsy4HullFC

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Posted 26 January 2014 - 10:02 PM

He's neither my friend or ally, he is of of his own mind and thought.

I suspect though that he has said like me that competing for resources in an area diminishes the ability of clubs to expand.

Both can survive, one can thrive.

Its just some bloody simple maths.

If you think two clubs playing in a local area competing for resources is simple maths then you're looking at the wrong equations.
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#31 keighley

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Posted 26 January 2014 - 10:35 PM

How many times do  I have to post the demographics before you understand.

 

South Lancashire is the most densely populated area outside of London.

 

Count populations, count averages, count, count count,.

 

Do the maths.

 

Well here's some more numbers. 4 mega, big big Premiership soccer teams in the said South Lancashire metropolis sucking way pounds and fans. Quite recently it was 6.

 

Do teams averaging north of 40,000 not have an adverse effect on the lauded demographics. Doing the maths is all very well but you have to factor in all the various variables otherwise your conclusions are skewed or flawed.



#32 Padge

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Posted 26 January 2014 - 10:44 PM

Well here's some more numbers. 4 mega, big big Premiership soccer teams in the said South Lancashire metropolis sucking way pounds and fans. Quite recently it was 6.

 

Do teams averaging north of 40,000 not have an adverse effect on the lauded demographics. Doing the maths is all very well but you have to factor in all the various variables otherwise your conclusions are skewed or flawed.

 

You read but don't understand  :(



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#33 keighley

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Posted 27 January 2014 - 12:38 AM

You read but don't understand  :(

 

Well enlighten me o mighty one.



#34 The Parksider

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Posted 27 January 2014 - 10:09 AM

I suspect though that he has said like me that competing for resources in an area diminishes the ability of clubs to expand.

Both can survive, one can thrive.

 

Its just some bloody simple maths.

 

Resources are paying fans and professional players. Roughly 8-10K fans depending on the stadium deal and  the production of a couple of quality professionals a year to keep the playing squad going, is fair very very simple "maths" I would say.

 

However if you haven't got these resources there is the Koucash way. If your short of 6,000 fans just put £400 apiece into the coffers from your own wallet. If you've a fourth rate academy not producing players just go buy half a dozen off other clubs.

 

This is also the Hudgell way, we know the long stream of overseas players coming into the club, and the oft quoted £500K a year to cover the empty seats.

 

Hull 14,553 and Rovers 7,160 2007

Hull 11,201 and Rovers 7,495 2013

First Derby 2007 23,002 last derby 2013 19,064.

 

So the fan resource is dropping and as for the player resource the impending closure of Rovers fourth rate "poor" academy, the departure of top Hull lads to places like Wigan, and Mr. Pearson going into debt to team strengthen which has seen him fighting HKR for the same players is a worry. What to do?? Ask DSK.

 

As for the merger comparison with "Why not merge Saints and Wigan then" well they each have first class Number One academies, and crowds last year were 14,549 and 11,141. The maths add up there.



#35 keighley

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Posted 27 January 2014 - 11:56 AM

Resources are paying fans and professional players. Roughly 8-10K fans depending on the stadium deal and  the production of a couple of quality professionals a year to keep the playing squad going, is fair very very simple "maths" I would say.

 

However if you haven't got these resources there is the Koucash way. If your short of 6,000 fans just put £400 apiece into the coffers from your own wallet. If you've a fourth rate academy not producing players just go buy half a dozen off other clubs.

 

This is also the Hudgell way, we know the long stream of overseas players coming into the club, and the oft quoted £500K a year to cover the empty seats.

 

Hull 14,553 and Rovers 7,160 2007

Hull 11,201 and Rovers 7,495 2013

First Derby 2007 23,002 last derby 2013 19,064.

 

So the fan resource is dropping and as for the player resource the impending closure of Rovers fourth rate "poor" academy, the departure of top Hull lads to places like Wigan, and Mr. Pearson going into debt to team strengthen which has seen him fighting HKR for the same players is a worry. What to do?? Ask DSK.

 

As for the merger comparison with "Why not merge Saints and Wigan then" well they each have first class Number One academies, and crowds last year were 14,549 and 11,141. The maths add up there.

 

The numbers add up if Saints and Wigan merge as regards your one mega club in a small geographical area hypothesis. A merger would loose a good number of fans and from those averages you would end up with around 18,000 playing at a Rugby League specific stadium in st Helens and dropping the soccer dominated and rented stadium in Wigan. Sellouts every game. Your dream come true.

 

But you want to keep them as separate going concerns because they are both successful clubs even though they are the anti argument to your only one team can survive in a small area stratagem. Which is it. Is an area only able to  sustain one club ? or Are clubs to be exempt from this hypothesis because they prove it to be flawed ? You can't have your cake and eat it.

 

Given the Saints Wigan successes and given the historical dual successes of FC and KR, it is highly possible that the City of Hull can sustain two SL sides and ultimately the game will be better off for those successes. Hull KR have had their wobbles but overall seem to be making credible progress.



#36 The Parksider

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Posted 27 January 2014 - 12:30 PM

You read but don't understand  :(

 

Indeed



#37 keighley

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Posted 27 January 2014 - 12:52 PM

Indeed

 

What you and your friend and ally, Padge, to whose defence you are here rushing, mean is that if I or any others who disagree with your self appointed conclusions annoy you enough or keep refuting your points of view, then you resort to allegations of stupidity or misunderstanding like some spoilt children in a playground.



#38 Padge

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Posted 27 January 2014 - 01:14 PM

You jump t

 

What you and your friend and ally, Padge, to whose defence you are here rushing, mean is that if I or any others who disagree with your self appointed conclusions annoy you enough or keep refuting your points of view, then you resort to allegations of stupidity or misunderstanding like some spoilt children in a playground.

 

You jump to the conclusion that if I say competing for limited resources limits growth then I am saying clubs should merge, it is an often made mistake, especially by you.



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#39 The Parksider

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Posted 27 January 2014 - 01:41 PM

If I or any others who disagree with your self appointed conclusions annoy you enough or keep refuting your points of view, then you resort to allegations of stupidity or misunderstanding like some spoilt children in a playground.


You disagree with absolutely everything I say, It's a default position of yours.

It's not a "self appointed conclusion" to state that Rovers crowds have gone nowhere in eight years, they have won nothing or been near, their academy is fourth rate and may be closed and they leak £500,000 a year. These are the facts.

From these you conclude Rovers have "made credible progress".

Your a grand old man of RL I know, I don't mean to offend you, but this is how it is. As I keep saying I say black you say white, I say red you say white. Fair enough let's agree to disagree no need for us to reply to each other.....

#40 Old Frightful

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Posted 27 January 2014 - 01:46 PM

Anyway, back to the stadium name...."Lightstream"

 

It's a shame about the spare "g" as otherwise I've discovered you can get "sh*t rl team" from the remaining letters.


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