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1 in 9 schools don't have English as the first language


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#41 marklaspalmas

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Posted 06 February 2014 - 07:43 PM

I know you haven't.

English should be the first choice language in schools in England. As should Spanish in Spain etc. Saying 'pupils AB & C did fine' is missing the wider issues.

 

Depends where in Spain you're talking about.



#42 gingerjon

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Posted 06 February 2014 - 07:52 PM

There are schools, certainly in Bradford, where the entire intake of the school don't speak English.

This won't disadvantage them because????

 

Don't speak English.  Or don't speak English to each other?


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#43 Johnoco

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Posted 06 February 2014 - 07:53 PM

Don't speak English. Or don't speak English to each other?

Unable to speak English.

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#44 Johnoco

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Posted 06 February 2014 - 07:54 PM

Depends where in Spain you're talking about.

I was only generalising. German in Germany then.

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#45 Wolford6

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Posted 06 February 2014 - 07:59 PM

http://www.telegraph...ls-failing.html

 

 

'Poole was the worst-performing local authority, with a third of its schools below government floor targets

http://news.bbc.co.u...and/8616345.stm

, followed by Derby (17 per cent)

http://www.derbytele...tail/story.html

Bradford (16 per cent)

http://www.bradford....ion/2011_census

and Suffolk (14 per cent).'

http://www.eadt.co.u...ealed_1_2372061

 

Obviously, there's no link between the league-table performances and the specimen articles.


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#46 Northern Sol

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Posted 06 February 2014 - 09:59 PM

To repeat: just because English isn't someone's first language does not mean they will not be capable of speaking English.

 

And Mr May's London example is perfectly valid.  High rates of middle-class drop out, high rates of multilingualism, high rates of deprivation ... and schools achieving excellent results.

 

But, best ignore it because it cocks up the thesis.

Why highlight London and not Bradford? It's not exactly rosy.

 

But aside, I think you are being disingenuous with the "It may not be their fist language but it does not mean that they will not be capable of speaking English".

 

That's quite true of an adult or even a teenager but it's nonsense of a 4 year-old. There may well be some bilingual 4 year-olds but by-and-large they are monolingual. If they learn English later on then that's great but the native anglophone kids who have to wait for everyone else to catch up and who won't get a decent education seem to be forgotten.



#47 ckn

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Posted 11 February 2014 - 11:12 PM

Grossly off-topic posts removed.  Come on, does every thread about subjects like this have to descend into generalised "oh and here's something else I don't like about these people" type posts.

 

You lot MUST know by now the line that we've drawn on subjects like this and how low our tolerance is for going beyond it.


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