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Hock slams 'coward' McNamara


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#41 Steve May

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Posted 05 February 2014 - 04:13 PM

Fantastic comments from supporters who must be amongst the very few who can last 40 minutes without alcohol passing their lips.
 

 

 

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#42 Dave T

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Posted 05 February 2014 - 04:46 PM

I'd have got a few Burgesses to tell him.

It's news. Let's not knock it. All publicity...

Interesting to reflect on this the day after KP was "retired" from playing for England. To what extent should allowances be made for potential game changers in a wider group? To end up losing 3 potentially significant squad members and going into the most important game of the decade minus one of our best players suggests to me a failure of man management on McNamara's part. Combined with a total lack of professionalism on the part of the players involved.

Reading about Wigan in the late 80s/early 90s, lots of those players were awkward and hated each other. The greats were given far greater leaway than some might consider healthy. The result was the greatest team our game ever saw in the open era. You don't pick Hock without a tailored strategy for dealing with him and considering how the group will blend. Picking him and then failing to deal with him results in the worst of all worlds.

 

I'd have got a few Burgesses to tell him.

It's news. Let's not knock it. All publicity...

Interesting to reflect on this the day after KP was "retired" from playing for England. To what extent should allowances be made for potential game changers in a wider group? To end up losing 3 potentially significant squad members and going into the most important game of the decade minus one of our best players suggests to me a failure of man management on McNamara's part. Combined with a total lack of professionalism on the part of the players involved.

Reading about Wigan in the late 80s/early 90s, lots of those players were awkward and hated each other. The greats were given far greater leaway than some might consider healthy. The result was the greatest team our game ever saw in the open era. You don't pick Hock without a tailored strategy for dealing with him and considering how the group will blend. Picking him and then failing to deal with him results in the worst of all worlds.

Sometimes there just isn't much you can do!

 

Noble had issues on tour just after we had beaten Australia in Sydney with Long and Gleeson.

Tony Smith had issues in the 2008 WC with Saints and Leeds players acting like kids apparently.

McNamara had issues with the 2013 WC squad.

 

Considering Noble was a former international coach, you think he may have had a bit more support for McNamara, but it is clear the Salford players are following their owner's approach with their disdain for the RFL - Chase and Hock have both shown a complete lack of respect for England RL.



#43 Dave T

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Posted 05 February 2014 - 04:52 PM

No, she usually trains too hard, breaks some bone and misses the games altogether.

 

3 bottles of Becks two days before a game never hurt any professional athlete.

I agree with you, it isn't necessarily required to have a total ban, and I don't believe that was the case. If the management however decide that is what they want, then people need to stick to it.



#44 Bob8

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Posted 05 February 2014 - 04:54 PM

I agree with you, it isn't necessarily required to have a total ban, and I don't believe that was the case. If the management however decide that is what they want, then people need to stick to it.

Indeed, getting too drunk to get up in the morning in your per-tournement training camp is far less required.  Hock's lack of self-awareness is remarkable.


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#45 bobbruce

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Posted 05 February 2014 - 05:58 PM

What I can't understand is why the team can't have a couple of bottles and watch a film together in the hotel a couple of times a week.


That's fine and later on the coach had that but at that point he asked the players not to.

#46 Wellsy4HullFC

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Posted 05 February 2014 - 06:43 PM

“While Steve McNamara is still there I do not want to be part of the England team. I would not play for him again. I still think it was harsh what happened to me in the World Cup and I don’t think I deserved to be kicked out like that. I will always think that.
“We should not have gone out drinking but it wasn’t me on my own. There were others and I didn’t do anything bad. I’d put a lot of hard work in to get into the England team but the way he handled it made me look really bad."

Is he really that thick?

"It wasn't me on my own."
Err... yes it was. You are the only one that went out drinking AND didn't turn up to training.
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#47 Teessidewire

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Posted 05 February 2014 - 07:56 PM

“While Steve McNamara is still there I do not want to be part of the England team. I would not play for him again. I still think it was harsh what happened to me in the World Cup and I don’t think I deserved to be kicked out like that. I will always think that.
“We should not have gone out drinking but it wasn’t me on my own. There were others and I didn’t do anything bad. I’d put a lot of hard work in to get into the England team but the way he handled it made me look really bad."

Is he really that thick?

"It wasn't me on my own."
Err... yes it was. You are the only one that went out drinking AND didn't turn up to training.

Yes, he must be that thick. Nice of Hock to say that whilst McNamara is in charge he won't be playing for England again. He's absolutely right because McNamara won't be picking him again. I'm waiting for Koukash to make a comment when Hock does something stupid at Salford, which he will.



#48 Saintslass

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Posted 05 February 2014 - 08:11 PM

I agree with you, it isn't necessarily required to have a total ban, and I don't believe that was the case. If the management however decide that is what they want, then people need to stick to it.

According to McNamara, the players themselves had agreed the rules for the camp and if that was the case then it is even more incredible that Hock is still trying to justify his behaviour.  If you can't buy into your own rules then why bother?  And surely he wasn't simply disrespecting the coach but also his team mates by breaking the rules they had agreed between themselves?



#49 Tonka

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Posted 05 February 2014 - 09:42 PM

You can almost hear the mechanics in Hock's tiny little brain groaning as he thinks of a way to make his own complete balls up not be his fault.  And so much for humility or, God forbid, contrition.



#50 Tonka

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Posted 05 February 2014 - 09:44 PM

And all this say it to my face rubbish.

 

Like the f*cking playground.



#51 RSN

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Posted 05 February 2014 - 09:54 PM

To get respect you have to earn it.

What does Hock think he did to get some.


You could say the same for Steve.

#52 bewareshadows

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Posted 05 February 2014 - 09:59 PM

Are we really looking to take a lead from a smack head???


Super League the only place in the world where people still believe that less competitors and a closed market to new competition will improve the quality of the product.

Even the Chinese and the Cubans gave up on these marxist principles years ago.


SL with a reduced number of competitors and a closed market = North Korea.

#53 Barry Badrinath

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Posted 05 February 2014 - 10:31 PM

I think most people were amazed he was named in the squad, I don't know what his version of working hard is, but he was pretty poor for Widnes last season.

#54 Pie tries

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Posted 05 February 2014 - 11:34 PM

I'm still angry at him ruining our world cup chances...we needed him...he let everyone down. Never heard an apology.

#55 Wiltshire Rhino

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Posted 06 February 2014 - 12:02 AM

“While Steve McNamara is still there I do not want to be part of the England team. I would not play for him again."


And here we have a very good reason for McNamara to remain England coach.

#56 giwildgo

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Posted 06 February 2014 - 07:03 AM

It surely can't be that hard to not drink for six weeks.

An alcoholic might disagree with you there.

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#57 giwildgo

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Posted 06 February 2014 - 07:18 AM

Indeed, getting too drunk to get up in the morning in your per-tournement training camp is far less required. Hock's lack of self-awareness is remarkable.

There is always an excuse or someone else to blame in Hock's world. It's a never ending cycle and the lack of responsibility for his own actions is arguably the root of all his problems.

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#58 Wellsy4HullFC

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Posted 06 February 2014 - 08:12 AM

An alcoholic might disagree with you there.

An alcoholic would struggle for 6 hours.
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Posted 06 February 2014 - 09:18 AM

You could say the same for Steve.


Why could you say the same. He didnt step out of line first. Hock only has himself to blame.

#60 redjonn

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Posted 06 February 2014 - 04:56 PM

Not at all, I was simply reporting the facts. There is no purposeful angle on it. It is not right to impose your view on others, you tell readers what has happened and let them make up their own mind.

 

Fair enough, but their are many facts out there that could be reported. Of course not news worthy but a decision is made on the news worth of the story - that immediate means that the choice is made because their is an "angle". That also includes what additional snippets of information that are added to the story otherwise it would just be a sentence.   The choice or non choice of information helps slant a "angle", i.e. could have added the previous behaviours of the player to give the rounded view of that player and hence help the reader in how he makes his mind.

 

So not imposing your view directly is one thing but deciding what info is given or not given can also colour a view. That is of course the choice of the writer but a story is more than just a fact, which as I say could be written in a sentence.  


Edited by redjonn, 06 February 2014 - 04:58 PM.





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