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#21 Northern Sol

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Posted 12 February 2014 - 01:04 PM

Tbf the number of people who live in the Calder valley is quite different to the Thames valley and the size of the rivers is different as well.



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Posted 12 February 2014 - 02:32 PM

The floods have finally hit the Tory heartlands in the Thames Valley

http://www.telegraph...ood-relief.html

Hebden Bridge was flooded twice in the summer of 2012, apparently when floods hit the Calder Valley, money is an object.

 

Money is always an object and sometimes it is a transitional object!

There has been quite a lot of money spent on flood prevention works in the Calder Valley. There have also been calls for dredging of the river.

 

Taking into account the topography and the canalisation of the Calder, it is no real surprise that it floods in periods of sustained very heavy rain.



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Posted 12 February 2014 - 02:37 PM

There are no rugby clubs of either code in the Calder Valley

 

Not since the demise of Todmorden RL and the tragic swamping of Calder Valley Lions RL in 2009.

 

Phil, I guess you'd say Halifax Vandals play just outside the Calder Valley. Where is the eastern limit of the Calder Valley do you reckon?



#24 JohnM

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Posted 12 February 2014 - 03:13 PM

The Calder appears to join the Aire at Castleford at the Aire and Calder Navigation locks, near Lock Lane. Is that correct?


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Posted 12 February 2014 - 05:06 PM

Like it was in 2007?  .The EA s job isn't to build walls round everything and its never had enough money to do that in any case.   To what extent does personal responsibility play a part.  Live in the Somerset Levels? Guess what?  When it rains it floods. Always has, always will. 

Wasn't me who said "money is no object" John it was your fuehrer.But let's face it when there were problems in 2007, the last government learned some lessons and spent some money, this one cut the spending for £670m to £500m in the name of austerity.  When the problems hit they dithered and blamed one another (that's this government's way after all - blame someone else)  Cameron flew into Somerset last week, looked at the floods and said "all Labour's fault" and flew out again.  Pickles blamed Paterson, they both blamed Chris Smith. It was only when Chris Smith said that he could only do what funding permitted and the safe seats in the Thames Valley were threatened that Cameron suddenly remembered a few billion quid he had in his back pocket that he'd been saving for the General Election. From being on the brink of bankruptcy, he suddenly decided they UK is one of the richest countries on the world. What a surprise.


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#26 Trojan

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Posted 12 February 2014 - 05:55 PM

The Calder appears to join the Aire at Castleford at the Aire and Calder Navigation locks, near Lock Lane. Is that correct?

The Calder joins the Aire at Whitwood, at the bottom of Cinder Lane to be pedantic, I should know, I worked on Cinder Lane for 10 years.


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Posted 12 February 2014 - 06:36 PM

Tbf the number of people who live in the Calder valley is quite different to the Thames valley and the size of the rivers is different as well.

Well that's alright then


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Posted 12 February 2014 - 07:42 PM

It doesn't, however it does have the power to deal with the consequences, or it did when it was properly funded.

Which consequences should it deal with though?  As yet, where I live has never flooded so far as records are concerned anyway.  Should it now flood this winter, would my property be one that the EA should protect when there are hundreds if not thousands of houses that have not only flooded in more recent memory but flooded more than once over the last couple of years?  Or do you have a bottomless pit of finance at your disposal and we can all have our personal flood defence?

 

And I'd still like to know how anyone, not least the EA, can defend a house against water coming up through the floors.


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#29 Northern Sol

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Posted 12 February 2014 - 07:55 PM

Well that's alright then

That's life.

 

Generally we prioritise cities over towns and towns over villages. That's how you do the most good.



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Posted 12 February 2014 - 08:25 PM

 

 

Phil, I guess you'd say Halifax Vandals play just outside the Calder Valley. Where is the eastern limit of the Calder Valley do you reckon?

 

 

I would say Luddenden Foot. Vandals play at Warley so certainly overlooking the valley


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#31 Trojan

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Posted 12 February 2014 - 08:48 PM

That's life.

 

Generally we prioritise cities over towns and towns over villages. That's how you do the most good.

City hardly describes Chertsey or Datchet.  I worked for a company based at Chertsey, and I've had several boating holidays on the Thames. City hardly describes any of it above Teddington Lock.  Apart from Reading and Oxford. Mostly it's villages about the size of Hebden Bridge, but not of course as prosperous, or prone to vote Tory as regularly.


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#32 Trojan

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Posted 12 February 2014 - 08:49 PM

I would say Luddenden Foot. Vandals play at Warley so certainly overlooking the valley

Who was the Wigan player from the early nineties who came from Todmorden?


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Posted 12 February 2014 - 08:56 PM

Who was the Wigan player from the early nineties who came from Todmorden?

 

 

Neil Cowie,  I played against him a couple of times when he played for Tod


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#34 Northern Sol

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Posted 13 February 2014 - 07:42 PM

City hardly describes Chertsey or Datchet.  I worked for a company based at Chertsey, and I've had several boating holidays on the Thames. City hardly describes any of it above Teddington Lock.  Apart from Reading and Oxford. Mostly it's villages about the size of Hebden Bridge, but not of course as prosperous, or prone to vote Tory as regularly.

Apart from the major cities, it's largely rural, oh and count London in the "not rural" category and having the Thames run through it. It's not flooded yet but I'm guessing that the idea is to prevent it from flooding.



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Posted 13 February 2014 - 10:18 PM

Apart from the major cities, it's largely rural, oh and count London in the "not rural" category and having the Thames run through it. It's not flooded yet but I'm guessing that the idea is to prevent it from flooding.

The Thames below Teddington is tidal and protected by the Thames barrier.  There used to be huge flood plains at Chertsey, near the bridge, no doubt this valuable land has been built over.  The whole area around Staines is riddled with gravel pits, it should be very free draining.  What is it about "flood plain" the builders don't understand?#

Come on NS have another go.  After all you're never wrong.


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Posted 14 February 2014 - 11:34 AM

The 2007 summer floods, mainly in the north, were far worse than this in terms of number of people affected.

Even Cameron admitted that the previous government had actually responded and implemented the recommendations of the previous report. However I assume that only resolved issues where the flooding was worst at that time.

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#37 Northern Sol

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Posted 14 February 2014 - 11:50 AM

The Thames below Teddington is tidal and protected by the Thames barrier.  There used to be huge flood plains at Chertsey, near the bridge, no doubt this valuable land has been built over.  The whole area around Staines is riddled with gravel pits, it should be very free draining.  What is it about "flood plain" the builders don't understand?#

Come on NS have another go.  After all you're never wrong.

Population pressures mean that if you don't build on flood plains then you have a serious housing crisis.

 

The Thames barrier exists and there are serious questions about whether it is sufficient.

 

I don't think you can brush aside the fact that the Thames is a much bigger river than the Calder and the population potentially effected is much higher. Even if you say "apart from Oxford and Reading", there are still sizeable towns at Maidenhead, Slough, Bracknell etc.



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Posted 14 February 2014 - 05:13 PM

Population pressures mean that if you don't build on flood plains then you have a serious housing crisis.

 

The Thames barrier exists and there are serious questions about whether it is sufficient.

 

I don't think you can brush aside the fact that the Thames is a much bigger river than the Calder and the population potentially effected is much higher. Even if you say "apart from Oxford and Reading", there are still sizeable towns at Maidenhead, Slough, Bracknell etc.

The Thames below Teddington lock is tidal. The Thames above Teddington lock is controlled by weirs and locks.  What happens above Teddingon lock has very little bearing on what happens in the tideway.  Anyone arguing that the Thames is smaller than the Calder want's their head examining. The point is that in 2012 many people in the narrow, heavily populated Calder Valley had their homes and businesses inundated by flash floods twice, Cameron came there as well, tut-tutted and went away again. It could happen again tomorrow. Obviously when it comes to protecting West Yorkshire money is an object.  I hope the voters of West Yorkshire remember this when the General Election comes.


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Posted 14 February 2014 - 07:32 PM

Interesting article when comparing which areas have suffered most damage to properties from flooding over the last few years.

http://www.bbc.co.uk...-put-in-context

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Posted 15 February 2014 - 06:09 PM

I read quite a good quip today.  "when the effluent hit the affluent, Cameron acted"


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