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#1 JM2010

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Posted 24 February 2014 - 08:36 PM

With all the talk of a more organised international game including more games for everyone, what is the best structure/schedule to help the the international game and how could this include all RL playing nations?

#2 Reggie9

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Posted 26 February 2014 - 04:59 PM

Think they should introduce a 5 nations competition with France, Scotland, wales, Ireland and Italy with the winner of that going on to play in the four nations. doing similar with the pacific islands. then have the usual Canada, USA, Jamaica. then just competitions with the lower ranked euro teams with like a, b and c leagues like they have announced but include more teams. then have the winner of the top euro team cup thing replace the bottom team in the five nations.


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#3 JM2010

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Posted 26 February 2014 - 05:46 PM

Maybe the winners of the USA, Jamaica, Canada series could play off against the winners of the second tier Euro comp to replace the bottom team in the 5 nations which could then be a northern hemisphere competition rather than just Europe

#4 Reggie9

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Posted 26 February 2014 - 09:22 PM

yeah that would be good also adds more variety of teams playing each other.



#5 bbfaz

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Posted 26 February 2014 - 11:02 PM

As I suggested in the other thread, I think they should extend international origin to a mid-season four team competition with England, France, Exiles and Celtic Lions.


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#6 dude02

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Posted 27 February 2014 - 12:58 PM

European 4N with England, France, Wales and (probably) Italy.

Oceania 4N with Aus, NZ, PNG and probably Fiji.

North American 3N with USA, Canada and Jamaica.

 

Followed by a global 4N with the first 2 teams of the Oceania 4N, the winner of the European 4N, and a qualifier.

The 3rd Oceanian side would play against the winner of the North American 3N, and the winner of this match would play against the 2nd placed in the European 4N for the final spot in the Global 4N.

 

Or, alternatively, we can continue to not give the weaker nations any games outside the RLWC against the best sides and then wonder why we don't have a competitive RLWC.


Edited by dude02, 27 February 2014 - 01:00 PM.


#7 RugbyLeagueGeek

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Posted 27 February 2014 - 06:04 PM

I'd like to see an annual European Championship played in-season to include England and have multiple tiers with promotion and relegation. Oceania could have an equivalent championship and these competitions could double up as qualifiers for World Cups and other comps.

 

Then in the autumn I'd like to see a 4 year cycle to include a World Cup, a 6 or 8 Nations (maybe with an equivalent lower tier comp running concurrently), and either 2 GB series or an additional 6/8 Nations depending on the strength of the lower ranked nations. The GB topic has been debated on countless other threads so I won't go into that here...

 

The reason I'd love to see an 8 Nations comp is to try and replicate some of the excitement that was generated by the World Cup. 2 pools of 4 teams would involve 3 rounds for the group games, a semi and a final, and would see games over a 5-week period. Having 8 teams would mean 4 group games each week, and could see games played on a Friday, Saturday, Sunday and Monday to maximise exposure for the sport. Thinking back to last year's World Cup, one of the great things for me was looking forward to a game every night, and this would go some way to replicate that. An 8 Nations would also give more of the lesser nations a carrot to help develop them. Whilst there may be some lopsided scores, there will also be games between Aus, England and NZ that should stimulate a bit of interest. If need be, there could also be a 'super pool' that involves the big guns and has 3 semi final spots at stake, and a lower pool where 1 spot is at stake (as per the World Cup).

 

Alas, the problem with all of these ideas is that it would require SL and the NRL to have more gap weeks to allow these games to take place. And that ain't going to happen :(



#8 bbfaz

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Posted 27 February 2014 - 09:06 PM

We'd have gap weeks in SL if they dumped the "three eights" section of the season.


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#9 EdinburghExile

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Posted 28 February 2014 - 01:41 PM

Internationals should be played during the season. Other sports manage it with compensation for teams losing players. Tacking matches on at the end reduces the off-season and squeezes the schedule, causing the problems we see today.



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Posted 01 March 2014 - 02:57 PM

We certainly need to create appropriate aligned windows in-season for internationals to take place. As has been said before the best way to do this at the moment is to persuade the NRL to have at least two of the SoO games on back to back wkds. SL would break at the same time. This would allow NRL and SL players to travel across hemispheres to play two internationals. Creating an annual Baskerville Shield game between Eng and NZ would then be possible (alternating between eng and NZ). In season continental cup games could be fitted in also (probably spread the continental cup over 2 years, as euro champ group B is at the moment).

In terms of end of season, one idea might be the creation of Northern and Southern Hemisphere tournaments, taking place in the year before the World Cup. As we saw at the end of 2007 and 2012, Aus, Eng and NZ were clearly focused on the World Cup, and didn't want to want to go on long tours or pay lots of big games and so I think it makes sense at this time for them to play against some of the developing nations. You could have 10 to 12 teams in each I think (northern would be Europe, North America and the Middle East, Southern would be Africa, Oceania and the rest of Asia).

Ashes tests would then fit in Year 1of the four year cycle (with bilateral agreements for matches between other nations) followed by the four nations in Year 2 (with World Cup qualifying for the rest), northern/southern cups in year 3 and WC in year 4.

A world nines every two years (possibly the week after the grand finals?) could also be put in place

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Posted 02 March 2014 - 11:45 AM

I'd like to see International fixtures arranged and published well in advance with set times for tours and tournaments agreed on a five to ten year schedule.

If you look on the England Cricket, Football or Netball there are scheduled international competitions and matches published for at least the next two years, England RL under fixtures it says "sorry no results"


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Posted 02 March 2014 - 12:34 PM

We certainly need to create appropriate aligned windows in-season for internationals to take place. As has been said before the best way to do this at the moment is to persuade the NRL to have at least two of the SoO games on back to back wkds. SL would break at the same time. This would allow NRL and SL players to travel across hemispheres to play two internationals. Creating an annual Baskerville Shield game between Eng and NZ would then be possible (alternating between eng and NZ). In season continental cup games could be fitted in also (probably spread the continental cup over 2 years, as euro champ group B is at the moment).

 

Realistically, the Aussies will never move Origin for anything, which is why we need to build the rivalry up in the Northern Hemisphere. During Origin weeks, NZ could play Fiji and PNG during the week. During the mid-season, England could have a tri-nations with Wales and France, realistically the only teams who'd be at full strength with home players, then when we're not down under in the autumn, build up a 'European Championships' with the aforementioned three, plus the likes of Italy, Scotland, Greece and Lebanon, who will be able to call upon heritage players which will be more competitive. England may dominate for a few years, but unless we want to be at the same scenario every year we need to try something different. 



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Posted 03 March 2014 - 02:35 AM

Think they should introduce a 5 nations competition with France, Scotland, wales, Ireland and Italy with the winner of that going on to play in the four nations. doing similar with the pacific islands. then have the usual Canada, USA, Jamaica. then just competitions with the lower ranked euro teams with like a, b and c leagues like they have announced but include more teams. then have the winner of the top euro team cup thing replace the bottom team in the five nations.

Agree with this 100%. That sorts out the Northern game. 



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Posted 03 March 2014 - 02:40 AM

Internationals should be played during the season. Other sports manage it with compensation for teams losing players. Tacking matches on at the end reduces the off-season and squeezes the schedule, causing the problems we see today.

As seen by Origin, you weaken the local comp during the season and people start to lose interest. 

 

No, internationals should be left outside the local season comps. If anything, we need to slightly shorten the comp season. 

If the NRL could drop the season back to say 20 rounds then play-offs, that will free up 6 weeks, or 1 and half months for internationals. 

That is a world cup right their. 

By shortening the local comp season, you can introduce other games like all-stars, Nines, and trails in new frontiers like China, and Adelaide, hehe. 

You get my point.  cheers.



#15 oikee

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Posted 03 March 2014 - 02:44 AM

Maybe the winners of the USA, Jamaica, Canada series could play off against the winners of the second tier Euro comp to replace the bottom team in the 5 nations which could then be a northern hemisphere competition rather than just Europe

I would bring these 3 teams down under. 

I think America needs to introduce a nines comp and use American Footy Fields for the game. I know it is smaller fileds, but i think Nines would thrive in this enviroment. 

 

As for Canada America and Jamaica, bring them down under and they can play our other start up teams like Vanuatu, Solomons, Indonesia and Cook Islands plus PNG. 

This will start to help them compete against top sides and get Australia interested. 

 

We need to get Australia interested, that is the growth for the game. And we have just woken up we need to start growing the international game. 

No, those 3 teams should come down under and we can provide them with plenty of equal opposition. 

I also think it would be easier for Australia to host these teams. 


Edited by oikee, 03 March 2014 - 02:46 AM.


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Posted 03 March 2014 - 08:17 AM

As seen by Origin, you weaken the local comp during the season and people start to lose interest. 
 
No, internationals should be left outside the local season comps. If anything, we need to slightly shorten the comp season. 
If the NRL could drop the season back to say 20 rounds then play-offs, that will free up 6 weeks, or 1 and half months for internationals. 
That is a world cup right their. 
By shortening the local comp season, you can introduce other games like all-stars, Nines, and trails in new frontiers like China, and Adelaide, hehe. 
You get my point.  cheers.

If the NRL cut back to just 20 regular rounds a season would the NRL still command a $1 billion tv contract?

#17 oikee

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Posted 03 March 2014 - 08:55 AM

If the NRL cut back to just 20 regular rounds a season would the NRL still command a $1 billion tv contract?

Possibly. You would have extra product, and top quality product to sell in replace of a shortened season.

Then again, if you add extra teams your adding extra product and into new areas, so you would not lose anything i dont think. 

The NRL are already up to their eyeballs in new product to sell, it is a matter now of trying to fit it all into a season. 

Everything will be growing, the NRL and expansion, the states with their new set-ups and Super Bowl Final. 

They now know they have a nines product. 

All-stars game is a big seller, this game made the NRL 1.4 million, and it also grows the game across the indigenous culture. That is hard to ignore. 

We have a large international island nations calender as well. These teams want games. (PNG, Tonga, Samoa, Fiji, Cooks.) 

They need to be fitted in somewhere as well if we are serious about growing the international code, we cant ignore them any longer. 

We cant forget Origin, our bread and butter, plus we should be looking to include a Exiles somehow into this series. 

Maybe if we have a dead rubber then we could look at a exiles team to take on the winner. 

Anyhow, for now it is happy days for Dave Smith, who is truely smelling of roses. 

He will probably go down in Australian sports history as a game breaker for our code. 

We need to keep the normal season and the international season apart. 

The Players have trouble with origin now from burnout. Throw in some internationals and your talking injuries and all sorts of drama to clubs, and they will end up whinging like Cleary at the Panthers. 

They need to use common sense, shorten the season but dangle the carrot of nines and internationals. 

TV broadcasters want top class product week to week. They dont want to lose content to stop for a couple of games on any given weekend. 

This is why we have to keep internationals most of the time at the end of the season. It is working good now, with Origin right bang in the middle to swamp every other show on earth. 

The World stops turning here in Australia when Origin is on, nothing else is talked about for 6-8 weeks. 

Money cant buy you that sort of exposure. That is why Origin is sacred. 

It is worth 100 million a year to the NRL. 


Edited by oikee, 03 March 2014 - 09:07 AM.


#18 walter sobchak

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Posted 03 March 2014 - 10:36 AM

Possibly. You would have extra product, and top quality product to sell in replace of a shortened season.
Then again, if you add extra teams your adding extra product and into new areas, so you would not lose anything i dont think. 
The NRL are already up to their eyeballs in new product to sell, it is a matter now of trying to fit it all into a season. 
Everything will be growing, the NRL and expansion, the states with their new set-ups and Super Bowl Final. 
They now know they have a nines product. 
All-stars game is a big seller, this game made the NRL 1.4 million, and it also grows the game across the indigenous culture. That is hard to ignore. 
We have a large international island nations calender as well. These teams want games. (PNG, Tonga, Samoa, Fiji, Cooks.) 
They need to be fitted in somewhere as well if we are serious about growing the international code, we cant ignore them any longer. 
We cant forget Origin, our bread and butter, plus we should be looking to include a Exiles somehow into this series. 
Maybe if we have a dead rubber then we could look at a exiles team to take on the winner. 
Anyhow, for now it is happy days for Dave Smith, who is truely smelling of roses. 
He will probably go down in Australian sports history as a game breaker for our code. 
We need to keep the normal season and the international season apart. 
The Players have trouble with origin now from burnout. Throw in some internationals and your talking injuries and all sorts of drama to clubs, and they will end up whinging like Cleary at the Panthers. 
They need to use common sense, shorten the season but dangle the carrot of nines and internationals. 
TV broadcasters want top class product week to week. They dont want to lose content to stop for a couple of games on any given weekend. 
This is why we have to keep internationals most of the time at the end of the season. It is working good now, with Origin right bang in the middle to swamp every other show on earth. 
The World stops turning here in Australia when Origin is on, nothing else is talked about for 6-8 weeks. 
Money cant buy you that sort of exposure. That is why Origin is sacred. 
It is worth 100 million a year to the NRL.

Regarding the NRL and expansion can you ever see a US style conference leagues/divisions setup in the NRL? The reason being that there are endless expansion opportunities for the NRL and not just in Australia, areas like port moresby(png), Wellington and Christchurch in NZ, Perth, Adelaide, Tasmania, 2nd Brisbane team, Ipswich, Logan, Darwin etc. The Major problem with conferences I can foresee in the NRL would be determining the makeup of the conferences, would they be drawn up on geographical lines or on the postion in which existing teams finished on the NRL ladder? For example the teams that finished 1st, 3rd, 5th etc would be in conference A and the teams that finished 2nd, 4th and 6th etc would be in conference B. For me conferences is the only real logical solution for expansion in the NRL as the NRL and Aussie sports in general won't entertain a 2nd divison like in English, French and German football(soccer).

#19 oikee

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Posted 03 March 2014 - 10:06 PM

Regarding the NRL and expansion can you ever see a US style conference leagues/divisions setup in the NRL? The reason being that there are endless expansion opportunities for the NRL and not just in Australia, areas like port moresby(png), Wellington and Christchurch in NZ, Perth, Adelaide, Tasmania, 2nd Brisbane team, Ipswich, Logan, Darwin etc. The Major problem with conferences I can foresee in the NRL would be determining the makeup of the conferences, would they be drawn up on geographical lines or on the postion in which existing teams finished on the NRL ladder? For example the teams that finished 1st, 3rd, 5th etc would be in conference A and the teams that finished 2nd, 4th and 6th etc would be in conference B. For me conferences is the only real logical solution for expansion in the NRL as the NRL and Aussie sports in general won't entertain a 2nd divison like in English, French and German football(soccer).

That would be for the administrators to work out. I think it would have to rotate as in maybe the Sydney teams rotate with the outside clubs every 2 years,,,example, if say melbourne, nz1, adelaide, perth, hobart, were with 5 sydney teams, and the rest were in another conference, then the next year they rotate the sydney tweams into the other division. 

Anyhow, it would work but could be complicated process. 

If you had 20 teams, every team would play each other team once, and you could rotate that every two years so you have a home and away game. So this year you might play the cows away, next year you get to play them at home, and vice versa every team. 

I hate talking about this subject, in my head i know how it works, or could make it work, and i am sure their are brighter minds than mine to make these things work. They get paid for this, i dont. 

So i leave it to them to work out this technical stuff. I am simply a fan. 'Nothing more, nothing less' as Shakey would say. (shakespeare)



#20 jus de couchon

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Posted 06 April 2014 - 08:24 PM

In the ESL we constantly change formats of the game to suit the current "big idea" . The Idea of a constant and annual competition between sides seems wrong to Administrators and promoters. Reinventing the ESL over and over again devalues it.






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