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#21 1976PMJwires

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Posted 26 February 2014 - 11:40 AM

Its a free world and you can do as you like with your own money...but you take the consequences.


However, don't you think you are setting a bad example to your children, in saying that as long as you have the money you can break the rules, whereas the less fortunate, less affluent or more law abiding have no such freedom.

In fact. I'm quite surprised that you have not been subject to the universal condemnation of the forum's moral police as you are effectively paying for privilege, something that is anathema to all left-thinking posters.

Oh..hang on, if they did do that, they'd be agreeing with Gove and for them that would be an even greater crime, even though fines for school absence were introduced by the Labour government in 2004

Thanks for your response, I spoke to the kids about taking them out school.

The youngest, as I've already said was annoyed as he'll lose his gold certificate for attendance.

However they all said, most of their friends do it or have done it.

Maybe this issue is more common than we think and so the families think the fine is low so it's worth the consequence.

Talking to teachers it appears the days they'll miss isn't a major concern as it's citizenship week, so no actual lessons...wtf is that all about.


It was written with my tong planted firmly in my check. If you are happy it's not going to adversely effect your children's education go for it. After all, you are in the best position to make that judgement not us.



Thanks again, I understand your view... Hope mrs g isn't at Stockton Heath or Bridgwater high ??

I will feel worse!!

If the premium for going away during the holidays was a few quid more then I would say that is acceptable, all companies exist to make a profit and optimise income. However some of the prices I have seen for within school holidays compared to in term time are scandalous.
I can't blame parents for taking their kids out of school for a week or 2. What are they really going to miss, another lesson in how to pass exams?


Spot on.

The £2500 helped toward the park passes, they ain't cheap and for me this is the real education the kids will get, the life experiences they'll get from all the parks.

Not the rides, before the smart ass posters post... The bush gardens, Daytona, sea world, the shuttle launch pad, the discovery coves, the return Wild programmes etc etc

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#22 terrywebbisgod

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Posted 26 February 2014 - 11:49 AM

Thanks for your response, I spoke to the kids about taking them out school.

The youngest, as I've already said was annoyed as he'll lose his gold certificate for attendance.

However they all said, most of their friends do it or have done it.

Maybe this issue is more common than we think and so the families think the fine is low so it's worth the consequence.

Talking to teachers it appears the days they'll miss isn't a major concern as it's citizenship week, so no actual lessons...wtf is that all about.




Thanks again, I understand your view... Hope mrs g isn't at Stockton Heath or Bridgwater high ??

I will feel worse!!


Spot on.

The £2500 helped toward the park passes, they ain't cheap and for me this is the real education the kids will get, the life experiences they'll get from all the parks.

Not the rides, before the smart ass posters post... The bush gardens, Daytona, sea world, the shuttle launch pad, the discovery coves, the return Wild programmes etc etc

All extremely educational places.


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#23 markleeds

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Posted 26 February 2014 - 12:02 PM

My fiancé is a teacher so we know full well how much it costs to go away in the school holidays. We would like to go away with her parents to Italy but they can get the same holiday in September at a hugely lower cost.

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Posted 26 February 2014 - 06:27 PM

Its a free world and you can do as you like with your own money...but you take the consequences.

 

 

 

 

In fact. I'm quite surprised that you have not been subject to the universal condemnation of the forum's moral police as you are effectively paying  for privilege, something that is anathema to all left-thinking posters.

 

 

 

 

 

Well no actually, why should anyone have to pay £2500 more to go on hol during the school holidays?, its a massive con run by a cartel of holiday companies, I very much doubt it will do the kids in this case any harm at all.


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#25 WearyRhino

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Posted 26 February 2014 - 08:14 PM

Spoken like a true blue Tory.


You've had that irony bypass then?

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#26 amh

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Posted 26 February 2014 - 08:36 PM

This sort of thing is as annoying as the emails at work that tell everyone off instead of dealing directly with the person or couple of people who have made the error. 

 

Confronting and managing people or situations must be really dangerous these days as I rarely come across anyone that can do it. So, instead, everyone gets penalised.

 

Oh, and by the way, we all work and find it hard getting time off for appointments etc, not just teachers. I'd appreciate if teachers would just say it's difficult with work to attend on the date / time offered, instead of starting the conversation with " I'm a teacher" as if I should clear the decks, cancel every other persons appointment booked in school holidays, and say name your slot, the rest of us will work around you.

 

Rant over ...for now


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#27 johnmatrix

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Posted 26 February 2014 - 09:36 PM

Surely the life experiences that your kids will have while away, will outweigh any of the missed lessons at school. My mother was a teacher so we had no option but to go away in the school holidays however I had some terrible teachers at school and missing a few of their lessons wouldn't have harmed my education. You no whats best for your kids, so you should do what is best for them, I would say travelling and showing them a different country/culture would be a great life experience for them



#28 Saintslass

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Posted 26 February 2014 - 09:50 PM

At the end of the day, when all is said and done, schooling for children between around 4 and a half and 16 is statutory.  Parents have a legal obligation to ensure their children attend school.  While sickness and other sufferings have always, rightly, been taken into consideration, holidays are a luxury. 



#29 gingerjon

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Posted 26 February 2014 - 10:47 PM

You've had that irony bypass then?

 

Riiiighhhtttt ....

 

So you don't have a problem with the middle classes buying their way out of their responsibilities.

 

'kay.


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#30 gingerjon

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Posted 26 February 2014 - 10:48 PM

 

Oh, and by the way, we all work and find it hard getting time off for appointments etc, not just teachers. I'd appreciate if teachers would just say it's difficult with work to attend on the date / time offered, instead of starting the conversation with " I'm a teacher" as if I should clear the decks, cancel every other persons appointment booked in school holidays, and say name your slot, the rest of us will work around you.

 

Teachers are special as any teacher will tell you.


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#31 JohnM

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Posted 26 February 2014 - 11:13 PM

Teachers are special as any teacher will tell you.

 

....at every opportunity.....

 

 

Be that as it may - and I am making  a general  point here as 1976PMJwires has made his decision  as he is free to do,- I still think that taking such a calculated view of whether or not to take kids out of school in term time sends out exactly the wrong message to the kids involved and to the school involved.. It says " I am buying privilege" ..something I thought the surviving Guardianistas on here would have condemned out of hand.

 

Turning to the price of  theatre tickets, match day tickets for the best seats, the price of fuel on the motorway, the prices of food at your local SPAR compared with Tesco hols in school holidays, its a combination of demand management and what the market will bear in very much the same way that most peoples wages and salaries are set.

 

Of course it is possible to have perfectly fine and (relatively) affordable  kids hols during school holidays here in the UK and in Europe.



#32 JohnM

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Posted 26 February 2014 - 11:22 PM

Well no actually, why should anyone have to pay £2500 more to go on hol during the school holidays?, its a massive con run by a cartel of holiday companies, I very much doubt it will do the kids in this case any harm at all.

 

Sure it might not do the kids any direct harm ( though indirectly it might) but aren't t the parents buying privilege in this way, and educating their kids to buy privilege, too?  

 

As for a cartel, how do you set your prices? 



#33 terrywebbisgod

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Posted 27 February 2014 - 06:40 AM

Why has this got anything to do with class structure or buying privilege,as far as I can see,it's about not being ripped off by travel companies.


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#34 gingerjon

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Posted 27 February 2014 - 07:16 AM

it's about not being ripped off by travel companies.

 

Supply and demand.

 

Until that changes prices will rise when demand is highest.


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#35 1976PMJwires

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Posted 27 February 2014 - 08:10 AM

Some more interesting comments and I will stress this is a one off....again a one off!!

Kid 1 - ahead in all subjects and a pleasure to teach, wish there was 30 off him

Kid 2 - on target or above target in all subjects - first year high school.

Kid 3 - GCSE's this year, already gained passes a year early in 3 subjects, school extremely happy with her


The above doesn't make my decision correct, however I know it won't effect them!!

Thanks again for the replies, I'll be glad when they've finished school.

#36 terrywebbisgod

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Posted 27 February 2014 - 08:18 AM

Supply and demand.

 

Until that changes prices will rise when demand is highest.

Obviously.Maybe school holidays should be staggered around the country.


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#37 JohnM

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Posted 27 February 2014 - 08:31 AM

Some more interesting comments and I will stress this is a one off....again a one off!!

Kid 1 - ahead in all subjects and a pleasure to teach, wish there was 30 off him

Kid 2 - on target or above target in all subjects - first year high school.

Kid 3 - GCSE's this year, already gained passes a year early in 3 subjects, school extremely happy with her


The above doesn't make my decision correct, however I know it won't effect them!!

Thanks again for the replies, I'll be glad when they've finished school.

 

 I'll be glad when they've finished school.

 

You'll find its like having a ball and chain removed from your ankle!!!



#38 gingerjon

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Posted 27 February 2014 - 08:47 AM

Obviously.Maybe school holidays should be staggered around the country.


They should be.
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#39 SE4Wire

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Posted 27 February 2014 - 08:51 AM

Obviously.Maybe school holidays should be staggered around the country.


Only problem with that is if you have children going to school in different areas. Or parents who are teachers teaching in different areas to their children and then having different holidays. I know growing up my brother and I went to schools in different LEAs and my parents both taught in another one each, with maximum separation of about 40 miles between us.

#40 1976PMJwires

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Posted 27 February 2014 - 08:52 AM

 I'll be glad when they've finished school.



 
You'll find its like having a ball and chain removed from your ankle!!!


Can't wait

  

They should be.




The Germans do it and it works, prices have come down gradually




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