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#21 gingerjon

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Posted 02 March 2014 - 09:38 AM

So the BNP used it as a slogan. Does it now mean the phrase "Love Britain" is out of bounds to everyone who isn't a racist?

 

When some non racists use it I'll let you know.


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#22 Shadow

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Posted 02 March 2014 - 09:43 AM

So the BNP used it as a slogan. Does it now mean the phrase "Love Britain" is out of bounds to everyone who isn't a racist?

In a similar way to the appropriation of the Cross of St George as a political emblem, yes it probably is.

I have a pair of Cross of St George cuff links that I am fairly uncomfortable wearing outside an arena that will clearly identify me with a sporting event in case I get mistaken for a UKIP / BNP supporter.


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#23 Northern Sol

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Posted 02 March 2014 - 10:19 AM

So you haven't actually read any of their manifesto promises or examined their spending plans in any detail at all then?

 

You'd like to think so wouldn't you.

At the very least apply the "If the Daily Mail's in favour I'm against it" test

 

 

Do you see the contradiction in your two posts?


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#24 Shadow

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Posted 02 March 2014 - 11:19 AM

Do you see the contradiction in your two posts?

Do you take everything said on here seriously?


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#25 Northern Sol

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Posted 02 March 2014 - 11:22 AM

Do you take everything said on here seriously?

Yes.



#26 Shadow

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Posted 02 March 2014 - 11:46 AM

Yes.

That may be where you are going wrong


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#27 Trojan

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Posted 02 March 2014 - 02:30 PM

You'd like to think so wouldn't you.

At the very least apply the "If the Daily Mail's in favour I'm against it" test

That's what I do, except these days I add "The World at One" which seems to have turned into a broadcast Daily Mail


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#28 Northern Sol

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Posted 02 March 2014 - 02:32 PM

That may be where you are going wrong

You would think that.



#29 Methven Hornet

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Posted 02 March 2014 - 04:00 PM

Well given the alternatives are a party that thinks a woman in a coma is fit for work and a party with a deputy leader that won't apologise for supporting paedophilia it's way down the list of mistakes

 

Are you standing? Or did you try to be a candidate?


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#30 Phil

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Posted 02 March 2014 - 04:16 PM

http://www.totalrl.c...s/#entry2890989

It depends on the area of the country, they tend to be ex-Labour in Labour areas and ex-Tory in Conservative areas. I do agree the party lets in people it shouldn't, largely due to being a smaller party wanting support.

 

 

 

 

So they'll have anyone no matter how odious their views because they want support?


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#31 Wiltshire Rhino

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Posted 02 March 2014 - 04:17 PM

In a similar way to the appropriation of the Cross of St George as a political emblem, yes it probably is.
I have a pair of Cross of St George cuff links that I am fairly uncomfortable wearing outside an arena that will clearly identify me with a sporting event in case I get mistaken for a UKIP / BNP supporter.

While I understand your point of view I can remember watching Devils Advocate (1990's C4 programme with Darcus Howe) when Nigel Benn was a guest. Darcus asked Nigel why he entered the boxing ring carrying the Union flag when it is a symbol of racism. Benn said "Because I'm British and it's my flag. The more black people who indentify themselves with the flag the less of a symbol it becomes."

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#32 Wiltshire Rhino

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Posted 02 March 2014 - 04:19 PM

When some non racists use it I'll let you know.


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#33 Phil

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Posted 02 March 2014 - 04:39 PM

Treat this with as much credence as you wish

 

http://www.mirror.co...-racist-3197692


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Posted 02 March 2014 - 05:03 PM

So they'll have anyone no matter how odious their views because they want support?

No, but it means that people who hide their racism can sneak in more easily as they field candidates who they haven't got to know over the years.

 

You do have to agree to be not racist, violent or anti-democratic to stand and ex-BNP members are explicitly banned from joining the party.

 

Labour have been known to field racist or Islamist candidates when it suits the local area



#35 Phil

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Posted 02 March 2014 - 05:16 PM

No, but it means that people who hide their racism can sneak in more easily as they field candidates who they haven't got to know over the years.

 

You do have to agree to be not racist, violent or anti-democratic to stand and ex-BNP members are explicitly banned from joining the party.

 

Labour have been known to field racist or Islamist candidates when it suits the local area

 

 

Ah you're falling into what aboutism there, it goes something like this "Hitler was horrible" 

"yeah but what about Stalin?"

 

Geddit? Yeah I'm sure Labour have fielded some nasty types but we're not talking about them.  Despite Ex-BNP members being banned several of them have managed to get into UKIP. 

 

There is a nasty strain of racism or xenophobia running through a lot of UKIPs membership (yes I've met a few).


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#36 bowes

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Posted 02 March 2014 - 05:16 PM

Are you standing? Or did you try to be a candidate?

I stood once, but don't intend to do it again. Don't see myself as a politician.

 

I don't think the party helps themselves with things like the above Mirror link either, I have no problem with jokes but think the comment to the Asian women was out of order and counter productive. If they put some effort into their image and made more efforts to promote themselves to industrial Labour they could easily become a major force to be reckoned with.

 

Personally I think they currently have the most to offer out of the major parties but if Labour put someone like Maurice Glasman in charge and purged the likes of Harriet Harman from the party I'd jump ship in a second.



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Posted 02 March 2014 - 05:21 PM

Ah you're falling into what aboutism there, it goes something like this "Hitler was horrible" 

"yeah but what about Stalin?"

 

Geddit? Yeah I'm sure Labour have fielded some nasty types but we're not talking about them.  Despite Ex-BNP members being banned several of them have managed to get into UKIP. 

 

There is a nasty strain of racism or xenophobia running through a lot of UKIPs membership (yes I've met a few).

I've known someone who proudly displayed his Labour party membership card lecture us on why the Holocaust was a good idea. There's a nasty strain in all parties. The only nasty strain in Coventry's UKIP is someone who switched from the Tories (and she's nasty for other reasons not racism related). In Coventry it was actually the Lib Dem leader that was taped making very racist comments (and is now in prison for fraud).

 

The point is there's realistically a choice of 4 parties with a nasty strain of a racism amongst a minority of the members so I'll pick the one I agree with the largest number of policies from. My hope is it will move Labour to stop pandering to upper middle class liberals and instead reconnect with what the working and lower middle classes want.


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#38 SE4Wire

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Posted 02 March 2014 - 07:50 PM

Treat this with as much credence as you wish

http://www.mirror.co...-racist-3197692


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#39 Wolford6

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Posted 03 March 2014 - 08:06 AM

 In Coventry ... the Lib Dem leader ...  is ... fraud.

 

 

 

I never had Coventry down as a trailblazing sort of place.

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#40 Shadow

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Posted 03 March 2014 - 08:34 AM

While I understand your point of view I can remember watching Devils Advocate (1990's C4 programme with Darcus Howe) when Nigel Benn was a guest. Darcus asked Nigel why he entered the boxing ring carrying the Union flag when it is a symbol of racism. Benn said "Because I'm British and it's my flag. The more black people who indentify themselves with the flag the less of a symbol it becomes."
Wise man that Nigel Benn!


Wise indeed, except what he should have said was "Shut up Darcus Howe, you are a hypocritical racist stirrer of the highest order and I loved the way you were shown up as the idiot you are by Joan Rivers of all people"

Having said all that Nigel Benn was absolutely right. One of my favourite images from the 2004 Olympics was Amir Khan's family decked out in Union Jack hats and waistcoats and waving the flag.
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