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#281 Futtocks

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Posted 16 July 2014 - 12:48 PM

He's speeding up.

 

I thought he held back at the start of his NRL adventure....there have been short bursts of speed but too few to be fair ( count them on one hand ).

 

Tis good for us that Sam is the quickest player at the moment. Glen Fisiahi might be the fastest player in the NRL, he would go close, having him out obviously makes Tomkins speed more essential than ever.

 

Sams done a hip flexor at training....might not play this weekend.

 

Big blow if that's the case, the Warriors have to win without his not too insignificant contribution.

If Sam's out, it'll be a good test for a newly-confident Warriors. Same as if Johnson or Townsend got a niggle or was on a ban. A good team has to be able to cope with such inevitabilities throughout any season.


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#282 boxhead

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Posted 16 July 2014 - 12:53 PM

He's speeding up.

 

I thought he held back at the start of his NRL adventure....there have been short bursts of speed but too few to be fair ( count them on one hand ).

 

Tis good for us that Sam is the quickest player at the moment. Glen Fisiahi might be the fastest player in the NRL, he would go close, having him out obviously makes Tomkins speed more essential than ever.

 

Sams done a hip flexor at training....might not play this weekend.

 

Big blow if that's the case, the Warriors have to win without his not too insignificant contribution.

 

 

How is fastest measured?

Over short distances like 30 metres or over length of the field?

 

Michael Jennings has explosive acceleration and is regarded as one of the quickest over 30 metres but drops back at longer distances.

Jarryd Hayne is pretty quick although he has filled out a bit and lost some pace from what he had a couple of years ago.

 

Not many players have both blistering acceleration and the ability to go long distance.

Ben Barba and the Morris boys are no slouches in that category.



#283 Futtocks

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Posted 16 July 2014 - 01:11 PM

True. the Nineties Wigan team's wingers were Jason Robinson (explosive acceleration from a standstill, but not the fastest over a longer distance) and Martin Offiah (smoother acceleration, but virtually uncatchable once up to speed). Different kinds of pace.


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#284 Dave T

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Posted 16 July 2014 - 01:32 PM

I think pace over 50-60m is the most important distance. It is very rare that a player will go 90-100m, but not too unusual to get into a 50m foot race, whether on a break or chasing back.



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Posted 16 July 2014 - 01:45 PM

How is fastest measured?

Over short distances like 30 metres or over length of the field?

 

Michael Jennings has explosive acceleration and is regarded as one of the quickest over 30 metres but drops back at longer distances.

Jarryd Hayne is pretty quick although he has filled out a bit and lost some pace from what he had a couple of years ago.

 

Not many players have both blistering acceleration and the ability to go long distance.

Ben Barba and the Morris boys are no slouches in that category.

 

Some players struggle to get into their stride with a ball off balancing their sprinting style as well.

 

Rugby Union has the genuinely quick players these days at wing.

 

Brian Habana at his peak would smoke all of those guys. Carlin Isles that plays rugby sevens for the USA just may well be the fastest player in both codes currently.

 

One of the ideas for the Auckland nines this year is to have a sprint race on grass with all the genuine speedsters whether selected for the nines to play or travelling with the team lining up for a out and out speed fest ( as opposed to the half pie races where the Union Wingers smoked the Leaguees )

 

There are guys that are quick off the mark as you say, really the only ones that belong in a speed race to my way of thinking are the players that can sustain it over a hundred meters...the universal athletic speed distance.

 

Hayne , Flash Gordon , Morris's , Fisiahi......those five lined up would leave the rest of the field for dead.

 

Went off topic there.

 

The other thing about speed ( and this is especially relevant with Tomkins ) is that some athletes like him / Marshall / Johnson lose very little speed with direction changes unlike straight out sprinters......tis why they beat so many tacklers.


Edited by mt smart, 16 July 2014 - 01:47 PM.


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Posted 16 July 2014 - 01:51 PM

 

 Carlin Isles that plays rugby sevens for the USA just may well be the fastest player in both codes currently.

 

 

Is he the one that was in the top 40 fastest sprinters in the USA?

 

Watched a compilation video of him the other day, that guy can shift!!!



#287 mt smart

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Posted 16 July 2014 - 01:56 PM

Is he the one that was in the top 40 fastest sprinters in the USA?

 

Watched a compilation video of him the other day, that guy can shift!!!

Same player.

 

Built for it.



#288 Futtocks

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Posted 16 July 2014 - 02:14 PM

Pure pace isn't enough; if not, Dwain Chambers would have got a contract at Castleford.


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#289 keighley

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Posted 16 July 2014 - 02:34 PM

Pure pace isn't enough; if not, Dwain Chambers would have got a contract at Castleford.

 

No, but it's a big portion of what's required especially for a winger. Berwyn Jones was an Olympic sprinter and signed for Wakefield. He went on to play for GB, I think. he didn't have a whole lot more to his arsenal than blazing speed but it was enough.



#290 Futtocks

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Posted 16 July 2014 - 03:08 PM

In 'The Great Bev', there's a quote from an athletics trainer who reckoned he could have very easily turned Brian Bevan into a world-class sprinter if he'd got his hands on him and concentrated on racing at the expense of everything else that made his such an amazing Rugby player.


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