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#41 Griff9of13

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Posted 12 March 2014 - 02:42 PM

University students are rarely a good indication of the attitudes of wider society, the braying Bullingdon boys are as unrepresentative as Dave Spart and the class warriors in the Socialist Workers Cooperative support society.

 

True, but then we do have a unusually high number of those unrepresentative Bullingdon boys running the country just at the moment. :rolleyes:


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Posted 12 March 2014 - 03:34 PM

University students are rarely a good indication of the attitudes of wider society, the braying Bullingdon boys are as unrepresentative as Dave Spart and the class warriors in the Socialist Workers Cooperative support society.

 

I agree.   But the thing about the Socialist Workers at Uni (and I met a few of those as well) is that they were idiots that everyone ignored then and they are idiots that everyone ignores now.   OUCA was full of idiots that are now Tory MPs and ministers.  For example, just preceding my time the OUCA president was Jeremy Hunt, who you'll possibly have heard of.   

 

FWIW, the Uni Labour club wasn't, as you might expect, full of careerist New Labour types.   They were, by and large, very nice and sensible.  But God it was dull.  The Tories had better parties, I'll give them that.


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#43 Northern Sol

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Posted 12 March 2014 - 03:52 PM

I did not like him because he was always cancelling the trains and I had to walk to work.

 

But RIP anyway.

 

You weren't the only reason why the trains were overpriced and unreliable.



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Posted 12 March 2014 - 03:59 PM

I did not like him because he was always cancelling the trains and I had to walk to work.

 

But RIP anyway.

 

You weren't the only reason why the trains were overpriced and unreliable.

 

Always? Besides the recent tube strike I'm struggling to remember a train workers strike recently. 


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Posted 12 March 2014 - 04:19 PM

I agree.   But the thing about the Socialist Workers at Uni (and I met a few of those as well) is that they were idiots that everyone ignored then and they are idiots that everyone ignores now.   OUCA was full of idiots that are now Tory MPs and ministers.  For example, just preceding my time the OUCA president was Jeremy Hunt, who you'll possibly have heard of.   

 

FWIW, the Uni Labour club wasn't, as you might expect, full of careerist New Labour types.   They were, by and large, very nice and sensible.  But God it was dull.  The Tories had better parties, I'll give them that.

Jeremy Hunt? Rhyming Slang? 


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Posted 12 March 2014 - 04:20 PM

Many years ago I used to go drinking at Oxford University Conservative Association bashes.  They didn't require you to join, cost a fiver or so and had unlimited cocktails.  All you had to do was put up with the OUCA types for an hour or so and you could get trashed very cheaply.   Happy days.
 
What that taught me about the Tories was that they actually laugh at people like you.  
 
You are a voting Tory and working class.    Sure, I think you're a fool but what's worse is the Tories that you support think so too.
 
This is the breeding ground for top Tories, and they hate you.  They really do.

You can understand why billionaires, multi-millionaires, bankers, city spivs etc vote Tory but why unemployed people who live in a two up, two down do is really hard to fathom and is beyond me.

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Posted 12 March 2014 - 04:29 PM

You can understand why billionaires, multi-millionaires, bankers, city spivs etc vote Tory but why unemployed people who live in a two up, two down do is really hard to fathom and is beyond me.

 

Selflessnes maybe?



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Posted 12 March 2014 - 04:29 PM

FWIW, the Uni Labour club wasn't, as you might expect, full of careerist New Labour types. They were, by and large, very nice and sensible. But God it was dull. The Tories had better parties, I'll give them that.


When I was Chair of Leeds University Labour Club, the only careerist Labour politician around was Chris Leslie MP (now Shadow Chief Secretary), I tried to get him involved in the Labour Club but he was already working the local government route to Parliament.

PS We didn't have parties.

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Posted 12 March 2014 - 05:03 PM

When i was a student, we had loads of parties. You didn't have to have any political reason or excuse to get ~~~~faced and stand half a chance with attractive women who thought you must be cool because you were in an "in" crowd.

 

Somehow, I don't think those women would have considered either the Labour Party students or the Conservative Party students to be an "in" crowd.


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Posted 12 March 2014 - 05:59 PM

You can understand why billionaires, multi-millionaires, bankers, city spivs etc vote Tory but why unemployed people who live in a two up, two down do is really hard to fathom and is beyond me.

Socialism's record on unemployment isn't a good one.



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Posted 12 March 2014 - 11:24 PM

Many years ago I used to go drinking at Oxford University Conservative Association bashes.  They didn't require you to join, cost a fiver or so and had unlimited cocktails.  All you had to do was put up with the OUCA types for an hour or so and you could get trashed very cheaply.   Happy days.

 

What that taught me about the Tories was that they actually laugh at people like you.  

 

You are a voting Tory and working class.    Sure, I think you're a fool but what's worse is the Tories that you support think so too.

 

This is the breeding ground for top Tories, and they hate you.  They really do.

I rather think you are a fool too, and that opinion is based purely on the post I am now replying to, which reads as extremely silly.



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Posted 12 March 2014 - 11:26 PM

You can understand why billionaires, multi-millionaires, bankers, city spivs etc vote Tory but why unemployed people who live in a two up, two down do is really hard to fathom and is beyond me.

That's because people don't all fit into the ideological stereotypes of the Bob Crows of this world.  Thankfully.



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Posted 12 March 2014 - 11:26 PM

Always? Besides the recent tube strike I'm struggling to remember a train workers strike recently. 

I was thinking of when I lived in London (over a decade ago).



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Posted 12 March 2014 - 11:30 PM

Many years ago I used to go drinking at Oxford University Conservative Association bashes.  They didn't require you to join, cost a fiver or so and had unlimited cocktails.  All you had to do was put up with the OUCA types for an hour or so and you could get trashed very cheaply.   Happy days.

 

What that taught me about the Tories was that they actually laugh at people like you.  

 

You are a voting Tory and working class.    Sure, I think you're a fool but what's worse is the Tories that you support think so too.

 

This is the breeding ground for top Tories, and they hate you.  They really do.

I daresay that a fair number of career Labour MPs hate the working class too, I daresay that a lot of old Labour types hate middle class luvvies.



#55 Saintslass

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Posted 12 March 2014 - 11:31 PM

Always? Besides the recent tube strike I'm struggling to remember a train workers strike recently. 

Eh?  You're struggling to remember a train workers' strike besides the recent train workers' strike?  :ph34r:



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Posted 13 March 2014 - 08:59 AM

I rather think you are a fool too, and that opinion is based purely on the post I am now replying to, which reads as extremely silly.

 

:biggrin:

 

I think I'll get over it.


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Posted 13 March 2014 - 09:51 AM

Very sad to hear of Bob's untimely death. Bob articulated what many of us on the left feel. A working class voice in a sea of identikit middle class clones who use the Labour Movement for their own career advancement. He was one of us, whilst they only misrepresent us. RIP Comrade!

Interesting comment. Bob Crow believed, among other things, in capital punishment, as indeed many working class people seem to do. I doubt whether many of the middle class clones do, and I would be surprised if you do.



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Posted 13 March 2014 - 09:55 AM

Many years ago I used to go drinking at Oxford University Conservative Association bashes.  They didn't require you to join, cost a fiver or so and had unlimited cocktails.  All you had to do was put up with the OUCA types for an hour or so and you could get trashed very cheaply.   Happy days.

 

What that taught me about the Tories was that they actually laugh at people like you.  

 

You are a voting Tory and working class.    Sure, I think you're a fool but what's worse is the Tories that you support think so too.

 

This is the breeding ground for top Tories, and they hate you.  They really do.

So it seems that if you go to Oxford, even if you're not from Eton and come from a Huddersfield comprehensive, as I think you did, you end up thinking that working class people are fools.

 

Isn't it time to close the place down?



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Posted 13 March 2014 - 10:44 AM

Interesting comment. Bob Crow believed, among other things, in capital punishment, as indeed many working class people seem to do. I doubt whether many of the middle class clones do, and I would be surprised if you do.

 

"Support for the death penalty tends to be strongest amongst Conservative voters..."

 

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#60 Griff9of13

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Posted 13 March 2014 - 11:02 AM

Eh?  You're struggling to remember a train workers' strike besides the recent train workers' strike?  :ph34r:

 

Yes, besides one a couple of weeks ago that was only in London I can't think of any other rail strikes in recent years. And once does not equate to "always". :rolleyes:

 

Besides, it's the union leader who calls for a strike it's the union members and they need the mandate of a ballot to do so.


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