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#61 MikeW

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Posted 25 March 2014 - 08:21 AM

Having sat through The Spy Who Loved Me yesterday I'm going to take issue on this. Bond is quite simple to break down -

 

Sean Connery was brilliant, as were the films. George Lazenby was poor but the film is better than you expect. Roger Moore was awful and the films just as bad. Timothy Dalton had potential but the films themselves weren't great. Pierce Brosnan started well with Goldeneye but went downhill very fast (an invisible car!) and became little more than one long advertising vehicle. Daniel Craig is very, very good. Not only does he carry the physical side of it, just like the books, but he's also a top notch actor. Casino Royale is a great Bond movie, the second one has good ideas but is patchy due to the writers strike, and Skyfall is everything a Bond movie needs to be. It also has the delightful Naomie Harris.

Just me who's favourite Bond films are 1970's Moore films then?  The Spy Who Loved Me, The Man With the Golden Gun, Live And Let Die, all great Bond films.



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Posted 25 March 2014 - 08:39 AM

Skyfall is an absolute rotten stinker of a film.


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#63 nadera78

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Posted 25 March 2014 - 08:43 AM

Just me who's favourite Bond films are 1970's Moore films then?  The Spy Who Loved Me, The Man With the Golden Gun, Live And Let Die, all great Bond films.


The nods, the winks, the awful one liners? Roger Moore was the worst Bond by some distance.

Gerorge Lazenby is a poor actor but at least he doesn't ham it up like Panto season in Prestatyn.
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#64 WearyRhino

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Posted 25 March 2014 - 09:21 AM

The nods, the winks, the awful one liners? Roger Moore was the worst Bond by some distance...

...ham[ing] it up like Panto season in Prestatyn.


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#65 Futtocks

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Posted 25 March 2014 - 09:40 AM

Just me who's favourite Bond films are 1970's Moore films then?  The Spy Who Loved Me, The Man With the Golden Gun, Live And Let Die, all great Bond films.

Moore's lighter take on Bond wasn't for everyone, but the better films were a lot of fun, yes.

 

On the other hand, Octopussy? Moonraker? Urgh.


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#66 Griff9of13

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Posted 25 March 2014 - 09:41 AM

Just me who's favourite Bond films are 1970's Moore films then?  The Spy Who Loved Me, The Man With the Golden Gun, Live And Let Die, all great Bond films.

 

No, they're my favourite as well.

 

The nods, the winks, the awful one liners? Roger Moore was the worst Bond by some distance.

Gerorge Lazenby is a poor actor but at least he doesn't ham it up like Panto season in Prestatyn.

 

He was just treating them with the gravitas they deserved rather that than take the whole daft thing seriously. :D


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#67 Griff9of13

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Posted 25 March 2014 - 09:50 AM

Anything by, or trying to be like Jerry Bruckheimer. Awful, awful films that always follow the same formula:

 

Start with a big set piece action scene.

Introduce our 'hero' where we learn of his troubled/maverick personality. 

Meet the villain/nemesis (who will almost certainly be played by a British actor so we are in no doubt who the baddie is).

Meet the love interest. More action set pieces. Repeat to fade. Zzzzzzzz 


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#68 Wolford6

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Posted 25 March 2014 - 11:57 AM

Compared to modern high-budget television series, most Hollywood and British films are overrated. Even ten years ago, no Hollywood action film could compare with what is presented by Game of Thrones or Band of Brothers.

 

This obviously doesn't apply to foreign language films, which reflect the different mindsets of non-Anglo/American cultures. There are forty bad US films for one bad French film.


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Posted 25 March 2014 - 12:17 PM

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'Nude nuns with big guns', definitely lost something in post production.

 

and as for that other blockbuster,  'Titanic' - what a stinker. 


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#70 MikeW

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Posted 25 March 2014 - 12:19 PM

Moore's lighter take on Bond wasn't for everyone, but the better films were a lot of fun, yes.

 

On the other hand, Octopussy? Moonraker? Urgh.

 

Moonraker really is a ###### take too far and Octopussy is atrocious, he brought it back a bit with A View to a Kill if you could ignore the fact that he was REALLY old by that stage.



#71 Futtocks

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Posted 25 March 2014 - 12:27 PM

Moonraker really is a ###### take too far and Octopussy is atrocious, he brought it back a bit with A View to a Kill if you could ignore the fact that he was REALLY old by that stage.

Talking of being too old for the part, 'Never say never again', the off-franchise Bond film with a returning Sean Connery is truly awful too. 


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#72 Tiny Tim

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Posted 25 March 2014 - 01:08 PM

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That was on the other night. I was channel surfing and the title caught my eye. Possibly not one for the religiously minded folk....still a lot better than Titanic!!!!


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#73 Steve May

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Posted 25 March 2014 - 01:46 PM

Daniel Craig is an excellent actor, but something about his Bond films just isn't clicking with me.

 

They're overwritten.

 

There's a fashion, in the US particularly, for giving characters a "backstory" and when they can't be bothered thinking up a decent character they just make the character an alcoholic.    When I'm watching a US drama the moment a character reveals that they are "in the program" and need to go to "a meeting" my heart sinks because I know it's going to be toilet from there on in.

 

In Skyfall Bond was having a midlife crisis FFS.  How can that possibly be right?


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#74 tim2

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Posted 25 March 2014 - 05:07 PM

IMO you can only say films are "overrated" if they win prizes and are poor.

If films are low budget, or end up being cult classics, they can't be really overrated. If you don't like Withnail and I, well, it wasn't meant to be loved by critics or mass audiences so no real surprise there. I thought it was great. If mass audiences love American Pie, well, look down your nose at them by all means but I doubt the makers of that fine franchise were targetting the Oscars.

Back to my definition - the winners for me are Titanic, Lord of the Rings and, by a country mile, American Beauty.
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#75 terrywebbisgod

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Posted 25 March 2014 - 06:24 PM

Every film on sky movies "comedy"


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#76 GeordieSaint

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Posted 25 March 2014 - 07:52 PM

Having sat through The Spy Who Loved Me yesterday I'm going to take issue on this. Bond is quite simple to break down -

 

Sean Connery was brilliant, as were the films. George Lazenby was poor but the film is better than you expect. Roger Moore was awful and the films just as bad. Timothy Dalton had potential but the films themselves weren't great. Pierce Brosnan started well with Goldeneye but went downhill very fast (an invisible car!) and became little more than one long advertising vehicle. Daniel Craig is very, very good. Not only does he carry the physical side of it, just like the books, but he's also a top notch actor. Casino Royale is a great Bond movie, the second one has good ideas but is patchy due to the writers strike, and Skyfall is everything a Bond movie needs to be. It also has the delightful Naomie Harris.

 

I agree with every single word of that! Connery and Craig are both quality as Bond and really enjoy the 'dark' attitude of the Craig films...

 

Really surprised Saving Private Ryan and The Dark Knight are being criticised; absolutely love those films and personally like Zero Dark Thirty as well. That said, Bigelow's other film, The Hurt Locker, is awful as it is completely unrealistic and unbelievable.

 

I agree with the poster who suggested some recent 'kids' films have been quality; you simple cannot beat the likes of Up, Wall-E, Toy Story, Incredibles et al for quality entertainment...

 

However, back to the original aim of this thread, ckn had a great shout with 'Battlefield Earth' but frankly the worst film I have ever seen was Alpha Dog with Justin Timberlake... that lasted about 15mins before it was turned off; utter garbage!


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#77 Maximus Decimus

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Posted 25 March 2014 - 07:55 PM

I'm surprised that Gravity and 12 Years a Slave haven't been mentioned. The two big films of the year were vastly overrated even though for both the subject content was my sort of thing.

 

Whilst Gravity was visually spectacular and an interesting idea but it just got ridiculous in parts. Virtually everyone is killed off early on yet she manages to escape a number of similar crises unscathed. I especially hated the end where they tried to nearly drown her once she had returned to Earth.

 

I read the book of 12 Years a Slave and enjoyed it. The film was actually a pretty faithful retelling of the book, however it was just boring and really slow. I actually didn't find it emotional either as they didn't spend much time at all showing his pre-life and missed out probably the most exciting bit where he attempted an escape.

 

Other than these I'm not a fan of much Hollywood does. The first Hobbit film was pretty much everything I hate in a film, basically mindless and ridiculous CGI sequences that nobody would ever survive.



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Posted 26 March 2014 - 07:32 AM

Donnie Darko.


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#79 Mumby Magic

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Posted 26 March 2014 - 08:04 AM

Overrated not Worst.

 

 

Anyhoo The Untouchables. Hollywoodized until every sap of realistic value was drained from it. De Niro (whilst still great) would have had Oscar written all over it but the director decided to give the vastly overrated actor (another thread) as much screen time as he wanted. Pah.


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#80 MikeW

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Posted 26 March 2014 - 08:24 AM

Donnie Darko.

Surprised it took this long for that to be mentioned.






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