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Never forget that England is, at heart, a progressive nation


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#41 Phil

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Posted 31 March 2014 - 08:29 AM

I'm not trendy
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#42 WearyRhino

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Posted 31 March 2014 - 08:59 AM

I'm not trendy


Maybe you're ahead of trend Phil? This time next year everyone will be doing "a Phil"! I expect Victoria will have David just like you by April 2015!

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#43 JohnM

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Posted 31 March 2014 - 09:49 AM

but then you are not a media luvvy either.



#44 JohnM

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Posted 31 March 2014 - 09:54 AM

Maybe "trendy lefties" are just a bit more concerned about equality of human beings in general John? I'm wondering what the knees of the badly dressed, out of touch righties are twitching at?

 

You mean like Stalin, Mao and Kim?  Or the BBC's  Ian Katz, James Purnell and Duncan Wheldon?



#45 Futtocks

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Posted 31 March 2014 - 11:26 AM

Some same-sex marriages have already taken place. The earth has not tilted off its axis, and nor will it.

Tilting the Earth off its axis? I thought gay marriages only caused flooding. ;) 


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#46 Ackroman

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Posted 31 March 2014 - 11:37 AM

I personally don't care and I'm sure there'll be another campaign coming along very soon for us to fret over. However it gives me great pleasure to see what Elton John has stuck on his head at the moment

 

All i know is that if you're self employed you may as well be washing in a dung heap for all the support you get from the "state". I never realised just what a zombie state it was. Marriage isn't even on the radar if the government don't offer the basics because you do a tax return.



#47 nadera78

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Posted 31 March 2014 - 12:49 PM

Isn't that basically how it works though?  Only the Church of England can actually marry you, the rest need the presence of a registrar?

 

I think it's because Catholics can't be trusted.

Some Catholic priests are also registrars so you don't always need to pay for one. I'm assuming other religions are similar.


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#48 JohnM

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Posted 31 March 2014 - 02:45 PM

Thank goodness this sort of thing can't happen here: http://www.bbc.co.uk...hester-26816850



#49 Northern Sol

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Posted 31 March 2014 - 03:02 PM

Thank goodness this sort of thing can't happen here: http://www.bbc.co.uk...hester-26816850

Dreadful.

 

The nasty side of a pre-occupation with "rights" and "equality", the criminalisation of people with a different point of view.



#50 Grollo

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Posted 31 March 2014 - 03:11 PM

I like it. I am ill informed because a troll on TRL says so. I don't need anyone to stamp my gay friendly credentials because I had them stamped many years ago - ask anyone. If you like, I will go out of my way to prove how gay friendly I am by mindlessly agreeing with any issue. Because as you know all homosexual people have little else to do besides wander round the house all day watching Larry Grayson.

So you would rather me describe your opinion as astute or intelligent? Just so I don't get the troll label?

You don't need to show any gay friendly credentials. However, you do come across as being a tad defensive.


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#51 Johnoco

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Posted 31 March 2014 - 08:01 PM

So you would rather me describe your opinion as astute or intelligent? 

That would involve me giving a flying one, so no.


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#52 gingerjon

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Posted 01 April 2014 - 06:40 AM

Dreadful.

 

The nasty side of a pre-occupation with "rights" and "equality", the criminalisation of people with a different point of view.

Heard the details on the news. Not nice at all.

 

But I see he's 13k better off now so God has helped him out after all.


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#53 Johnoco

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Posted 01 April 2014 - 06:53 AM

Heard the details on the news. Not nice at all..

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#54 RidingPie

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Posted 01 April 2014 - 07:32 AM

Thank goodness this sort of thing can't happen here: http://www.bbc.co.uk...hester-26816850

 

If there is one slight silver lining to that report it is that at least we live in a country where the police don't get away with mistreating people, and the press are free to report it. If I'm honest though I don't think that police mistreating a prisoner is completely on topic for a discussion about gay marriage.



#55 MikeW

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Posted 01 April 2014 - 08:12 AM

If there is one slight silver lining to that report it is that at least we live in a country where the police don't get away with mistreating people, and the press are free to report it. If I'm honest though I don't think that police mistreating a prisoner is completely on topic for a discussion about gay marriage.

Technically the topic is that England is a progressive nation, yet someone was arrested for their beliefs.



#56 Wolford6

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Posted 01 April 2014 - 08:27 AM

Technically the topic is that England is a progressive nation, yet someone was arrested for their beliefs.

 

There was a famous Piloti cartoon in Private Eye:

 

'I was imprisoned for my beliefs ...

 I believed I wouldn't get caught'


Under Scrutiny by the Right-On Thought Police


#57 Northern Sol

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Posted 01 April 2014 - 02:23 PM

Technically the topic is that England is a progressive nation, yet someone was arrested for their beliefs.

Added to which he was arrested for his beliefs about homosexuality. And all he said was the usual "hate the sin, love the sinner" bit. He wasn't even preaching about homosexuality but two lads asked him what the bible said about gays and then mocked his beliefs by simulating sex acts (annoying) and then PC Plod got involved. Talk about thought crime.



#58 Garvers

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Posted 01 April 2014 - 04:29 PM

Thank goodness this sort of thing can't happen here: http://www.bbc.co.uk...hester-26816850

 

Obviously an over-reaction from the police to arrest and take the man to a police station for the day. 

 

But as an example of shocking liberal intollerance it hardly even begins to compare to the thousands upon thousands of prosecutions, beatings, bullyings, and everyday humiliations visited upon gay people over the years in this country. These rare incidents always get posted in threads like this, as if they somehow balance everything out. They don't. 



#59 Johnoco

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Posted 01 April 2014 - 04:50 PM

Obviously an over-reaction from the police to arrest and take the man to a police station for the day.

But as an example of shocking liberal intollerance it hardly even begins to compare to the thousands upon thousands of prosecutions, beatings, bullyings, and everyday humiliations visited upon gay people over the years in this country. These rare incidents always get posted in threads like this, as if they somehow balance everything out. They don't.

While I agree with the thrust of what you are saying, I don't think the article was intended to balance things out. More as an example to say are we really as progressive as we think? One group gaining rights should not mean another are denied their opinion - however unpalatable it may be.
Some people *will* be opposed to homosexuality, whether through religion or whatever, these people should not be now rounded up and put in jail because their views are out of step.

No I don't care if you're if you're into different bands

No cause for so much hatred, I'm just a different man

Pull off that cover, I will too, and learn to understand

With music deep inside we'll make world unity our plan

 

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#60 Garvers

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Posted 01 April 2014 - 05:08 PM

While I agree with the thrust of what you are saying, I don't think the article was intended to balance things out. More as an example to say are we really as progressive as we think? One group gaining rights should not mean another are denied their opinion - however unpalatable it may be.
Some people *will* be opposed to homosexuality, whether through religion or whatever, these people should not be now rounded up and put in jail because their views are out of step.

 

Actually, I think articles like this are quite often posted in order to create the impression there's been some sort of quid pro quo in terms of one minority gaining rights at the expense of another in a zero-sum way, with some kind of specious equivalence.  And it's nonsense.  Thousands upon thousands of religious people are not being prosecuted, bullied, beaten, committing suicide, being refused jobs, or having their lives ruined for simply holding the view that homosexuals are sinners.  Hyperbolic talk of people being 'rounded up and put in jail' is ridiculous - and that was the point I was making. 






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