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#21 Just Browny

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Posted 01 April 2014 - 03:59 PM

They annoy me at times, but overall I don't have too much of an issue with them.

 

I'm not convinced anybody would be good enough for RL tbh - I liked Voss, but he still played it for laughs far too much - I prefer commentators to treat us like adults and talk about the game and throw in some stats and facts.

 

I think one of the slight issues with the Sky team is that as they do pretty much every game together it just comes across as a bunch of mates covering the games - tbh sometimes that works but I do understand why some people find them annoying.

 

What I would say is I have never heard a neutral have a major issue with them, and certainly nobody has turned off because of the commentators that I know of, it is people who know more about the game and disagree with their approach that seem to have the issues with them.

 

I think we should relax a little.

 

I think this is about right as usual Dave. Both occasionally get on my baps (especially Eddie), but that's due to familiarity as much as anything, and I'm yet to hear the RL commentator that wouldn't have the same effect on me if I heard them for 4+ hours a week, every week.

 

I also like Ray Warren, but agree with those who say he can be a little too passive at times, even in the face of the quality RL he commentates on each week. As for Phil Gould, he comes out with nearly as much rubbish as Stevo.


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#22 Dave T

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Posted 01 April 2014 - 04:01 PM

I think this is about right as usual Dave. Both occasionally get on my baps (especially Eddie), but that's due to familiarity as much as anything, and I'm yet to hear the RL commentator that wouldn't have the same effect on me if I heard them for 4+ hours a week, every week.

 

I also like Ray Warren, but agree with those who say he can be a little too passive at times, even in the face of the quality RL he commentates on each week. As for Phil Gould, he comes out with nearly as much rubbish as Stevo.

A great way of putting it I think!



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Posted 01 April 2014 - 04:19 PM

The one I hate is "they've got to utilise the dummy runners,"

Decent RL teams haven't had dummy runners for years just alternative options. It shows that the game has left him in the past.

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Posted 01 April 2014 - 04:54 PM

The one I hate is "they've got to utilise the dummy runners,"

Decent RL teams haven't had dummy runners for years just alternative options. It shows that the game has left him in the past.

If they utilised them then they wouldn't be dummy runners surely  :scratchhead:



#25 Saintslass

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Posted 01 April 2014 - 05:01 PM

I preferred the Premier Sports approach.  There was humour injected into the commentary but most of all there was commentary.  No buffoonary, no mindless catchphrases, no obsessing with every referee decision, just good old fashioned commentary: intelligent, articulate, knowledgeable, with a bit of humour and background thrown in now and again. 

 

I miss Championship games on Premier Sports.  Having those matches to watch each week took the sting out of the uninformative, largely mindless blathering that Sky mistake for match commentary.



#26 Dave T

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Posted 01 April 2014 - 05:02 PM

The one I hate is "they've got to utilise the dummy runners,"

Decent RL teams haven't had dummy runners for years just alternative options. It shows that the game has left him in the past.

thats just being pedantic. If a runner is used as a decoy, he is a dummy runner, no matter what the latest jargon or terminology is.

#27 Railway End

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Posted 01 April 2014 - 05:36 PM

As for Phil Gould, he comes out with nearly as much rubbish as Stevo.


Granted Gus can go into "silly mode" with Rabs Warren but he differs from Stevo in three different ways:

1, He is current and up to date with tactics and training methods.

2, He can analyse a game like a coach and be informative to even the most knowledgeable viewer. I once heard an interview with him where he stated he rarely says anything in commentary for the first 5 minutes as he first likes to look at the structures each team are playing with.

3, He has a good command of the English language and can express his thoughts clearly, Sterlo is excellent at this ad well.

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#28 Davo5

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Posted 01 April 2014 - 05:50 PM

Sky need to splash the cash and get Vossy over,he and Ray Warren are way ahead of anyone else.

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Posted 01 April 2014 - 06:03 PM

From the brief number of games I've seen the Channel 9 crew seem just as prone to utterly pointless waffle as the sky team.

 

I too am a bit bored of Eddie and Stevo and do think it's time for a change, of everyone who has a voice on sky rugby league I'd keep or bin the following;

 

IN: Brian Carney, Bill Arthur, Barrie McDermott, John Wells, John Kear, Stuart Cummings*.

OUT: Eddie, Stevo, Phil Clarke, Ben Proe, Terry O'Connor, Graeme Beacroft, Rod Studd, Paul Cullen.

SHAKE IT ALL ABOUT: Angela Powers - not as annoying now used fleetingly.

 

*I'd let Cummings have a more free role to talk about the game more, not just used as a mouthpiece to tell us the ref is right.

 

And watching Wide to West again gave me goosebumps like nothing else. I think that clip is genuinely iconic.


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#30 YCKonstantine

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Posted 01 April 2014 - 06:07 PM

Sky need to splash the cash and get Vossy over,he and Ray Warren are way ahead of anyone else.

 

Why should we have Australians commentating?

 

And watching Wide to West again gave me goosebumps like nothing else. I think that clip is genuinely iconic.

 

I get goosebumps every time I watch it!


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#31 Rodill Rover

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Posted 01 April 2014 - 07:45 PM

I can understand why some get annoyed with the clichés, it's very similar to when Eddie Waring used the same ones over and over which annoyed me at the time, but I can see now that his remit was to sell the sport to a wide audience, and that he did.
Stevo and Eddie will be scripted in a similar way.
My own view on Stevo is that he has done a good job over the years and can see him being let go of gently as more commentators are tried out.
I have full respect for him as a rugby player, World Cup winner, League championship winner with a very unfashionable Dewsbury side, and one of the few to make the grade down under, for these reasons I feel that some comments are more than disrespectful at times.

Edited by Rodill Rover, 02 April 2014 - 06:02 AM.


#32 MrFussy

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Posted 01 April 2014 - 11:01 PM

I'm guessing this is an April's Fool..?

 

He's a robot - repeating the same old Stevo-cliches again and again, year-in year-out, with zero analytical insight.  I've heard everything he's ever said, at least a thousand times over - and almost all of it was utter bilge. 

 

Next time you listen to his commentary, really concentrate - nothing makes any sense, and you've heard it all before. I could list dozens of his repeated verbal idiocies, he's that predictable. 

 

Sky's Rugby League coverage is the shop window for the game - and sadly we've put a know-nothing buffoon centre-stage and given him a microphone and another three years on his contract.  It's simply not good enough to have a little chuckle about what a 'character' he is - he makes the game and the people who play it look simple-minded, and drowns out others who know far, far more. 

 

As simple as that - as Stevo says after almost all his ridiculous statements.

No not at all, it was completely genuine. I'll be sad when he goes, though I'm glad that it looks like he'll be doing it on his own terms. I hope his last game will see England securing a big title with a victory over Australia. That would be a fitting way for him to go.



#33 Amber Avenger

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Posted 02 April 2014 - 07:45 AM

What I would say is I have never heard a neutral have a major issue with them, and certainly nobody has turned off because of the commentators that I know of, it is people who know more about the game and disagree with their approach that seem to have the issues with them.

 

I think this is pretty much it in a nutshell. Pretty much every neutral I’ve encountered or forced to watch a game of RL on Sky has really enjoyed Eddie and Stevo and have actually complained if they aren’t on a match (ie BBC). Takes all sorts I suppose, but Browny’s point of anyone being on the coverage for that long will start to get on people’s nerves is also a good one. I remember when Clarkey came in many people were saying he was a breath of fresh air, and now every other post is telling him to get lost too  (which I don’t agree with either). I imagine in 15 years this board will be full of posts calling for Brian Carney to move on as well.

 

I have to say that people continually banging on about how rubbish Stevo is annoys me more than Stevo ever has!


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#34 Kenny Bania

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Posted 02 April 2014 - 09:45 AM

They annoy me at times, but overall I don't have too much of an issue with them.

 

I'm not convinced anybody would be good enough for RL tbh - I liked Voss, but he still played it for laughs far too much - I prefer commentators to treat us like adults and talk about the game and throw in some stats and facts.

 

I think one of the slight issues with the Sky team is that as they do pretty much every game together it just comes across as a bunch of mates covering the games - tbh sometimes that works but I do understand why some people find them annoying.

 

What I would say is I have never heard a neutral have a major issue with them, and certainly nobody has turned off because of the commentators that I know of, it is people who know more about the game and disagree with their approach that seem to have the issues with them.

 

I think we should relax a little.

 

Quite. It's reminiscent of ITV's football coverage. People get really in a tizz because they don't like Tyldsley/Chiles/Townsend but ultimately it's the action on the field that matters. If the commentators get you that upset you probably need to calm down a little. Stevo's whole schtick is becoming a little tired, but so what. If the game is entertaining enough, why let it upset you?

 

That said, Phil Clarke is dull beyond belief.



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Posted 02 April 2014 - 10:10 AM

I can understand why some get annoyed with the clichés, it's very similar to when Eddie Waring used the same ones over and over which annoyed me at the time, but I can see now that his remit was to sell the sport to a wide audience, and that he did.
Stevo and Eddie will be scripted in a similar way.
My own view on Stevo is that he has done a good job over the years and can see him being let go of gently as more commentators are tried out.
I have full respect for him as a rugby player, World Cup winner, League championship winner with a very unfashionable Dewsbury side, and one of the few to make the grade down under, for these reasons I feel that some comments are more than disrespectful at times.

Eddie Waring was in a pretty poor state by the time the BBC pensioned him off, which has coloured people's view of his remarkable career as a whole. Ray French is still excellent as a journalist and pundit, but has struggled with commentary in recent years. Stevo is still full of beans, like him or not, but he's talked about retiring before.

 

I wonder who Sky have in mind as a replacement? And if they'll partner him with Eddie or go for a whole new combination?


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#36 JonNgog

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Posted 02 April 2014 - 10:28 AM

When I first watched rugby league as a kid I loved eddie and stevo, though my father was fed up of them from a decade of them on sky. To be honest I have never really stopped liking them even if Stevo can annoy me when saints are playing. To me rugby league nights are not the same without them, perhaps I'm a little too starry eyed but I will really miss eddie and stevo's unique style of banter. I don't want our sport to be like other sports with humourless, often overly-analytical commentary. Stevo often sounds like an old bloke down the pub who loves RL and why should that be so bad?

#37 MrFussy

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Posted 02 April 2014 - 10:45 AM

When I first watched rugby league as a kid I loved eddie and stevo, though my father was fed up of them from a decade of them on sky. To be honest I have never really stopped liking them even if Stevo can annoy me when saints are playing. To me rugby league nights are not the same without them, perhaps I'm a little too starry eyed but I will really miss eddie and stevo's unique style of banter. I don't want our sport to be like other sports with humourless, often overly-analytical commentary. Stevo often sounds like an old bloke down the pub who loves RL and why should that be so bad?

Couldn't agree more.



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Posted 02 April 2014 - 11:11 AM

I was led to believe, rightly or wrongly that Stevo owned part of the production company so pretty much called the shots on if he should stay or go.

 

Does the 3 years also tie in with the rest of the existing TV deal that then roles into the new 5 year extension? 



#39 MrFussy

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Posted 02 April 2014 - 11:40 AM

They annoy me at times, but overall I don't have too much of an issue with them.

 

I'm not convinced anybody would be good enough for RL tbh - I liked Voss, but he still played it for laughs far too much - I prefer commentators to treat us like adults and talk about the game and throw in some stats and facts.

 

I think one of the slight issues with the Sky team is that as they do pretty much every game together it just comes across as a bunch of mates covering the games - tbh sometimes that works but I do understand why some people find them annoying.

 

What I would say is I have never heard a neutral have a major issue with them, and certainly nobody has turned off because of the commentators that I know of, it is people who know more about the game and disagree with their approach that seem to have the issues with them.

 

I think we should relax a little.

Excellnt point Dave.

 

I assume, perhaps incorrectly, that most of the posters on here are connoisseurs of the game with a good knowledge of it. It's important to remember that a substantial number of viewers probably aren't.  Stevo oozes familiarity, and I don't think that can be underestimated in its importance to the casual fan. I would imagine that the majority of viewers can identify with the type of character that he is, and in my opinion that provides comfort when watching. I can only speak for myself, but I reckon I could have a pint with him and would greatly enjoy his company, and I can't say that about many presenters / commentators / analysts / whatever. Ok, he has a tendency to focus on and complain about refereeing decisions rather than calling the game, but again the casual fan may well enjoy the controversy of this, it provides an easy talking point if nothing else.

 

I don't have the statistics to back anything up, but I've always been led to believe that Rugby League's viewing figures on Sky were excellent, so if that's the case then it's not like he's turning people off the game in their thousands. I sympathise with those who find him irritating and can appreciate why, but for me he does more good than harm and I'll continue to appreciate his work.

 

Anyway I'll shut up about him now, I think I've championed his cause more than enough :biggrin:          



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Posted 02 April 2014 - 12:36 PM

Fundamentally I want my commentators to commentate, summarisers to summarise and analysts to analyse.  The roles played by the sky team at the moment are not distinct enough.  This is how I see it;

Essentially the commentator should just commentate with no opinion from him at all during a game.  Eddie does just about everything other than commentate.

A summariser should talk about general patterns in play and not specific incidents unless they have a distinct bearing on the overall play.  Clarkey and Cullen try to do this but are drowned out by the extraneous noise next to them; I’m looking at you Stevo

For my money there should be just two people in the commentary box during the game.  My only exception to this would be any specialist such as Stuart Cummings and I would try and expand the role of specialist.

Others should do their work before the game, at half time and full time only. Wells analysis is spot on and well linked by Carney.

The problem for me is that all of the sky team now believe themselves to be celebrities in their own right and have actually forgotten their purposes.

What I do not want from a presentation team is for them to sound like me and my mates down the pub watching it on the big screen.

I would look at Formula 1 presentation as a benchmark.  One commentator, one summariser and one specialist bringing technical knowledge with a whole bunch of people filling the time around the actual event.


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