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Lifting players

Time to outlaw it?

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#1 Wakefield Ram

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Posted 19 April 2014 - 08:04 AM

Given what has happened in Australia and Brett Ferres, is it time to outlaw deliberately lifting players off their feet and slamming them into the ground? Does it benefit the game by increasing players risks of injury? At the Dewsbury v Batley game last night a Rams player was lifted in a gang tackle and either dropped or driven into the ground.

The argument is that this would make the game "soft". With bigger, stronger players and more gang tackling, the risks increase. Rugby league has survived the outlawing of shoulder charges, maybe it's the time for lifting to to the same way.

If you take a parallel in rugby union and scrummaging, changing the laws to reduce the "hit" of the initial contact has halved the incidence of number of serious neck injuries

#2 RugbyLeagueGeek

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Posted 19 April 2014 - 12:21 PM

How would you define lifting and how would you police it?



#3 Lounge Room Lizard

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Posted 19 April 2014 - 12:43 PM

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#4 Red Willow

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Posted 19 April 2014 - 03:00 PM

Isn't it already illegal to lift and force a player into the ground in the manner you describe ?  Spear tackles are already dealt with.

 

Legs shouldn't come above the horizontal,



#5 Wakefield Ram

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Posted 20 April 2014 - 08:34 AM

Take out the element of "above the horizontal" and it's just deliberately lifting a player off the ground.

Once a player is lifted off the ground he has no control and if there are two or tacklers they cannot know what each of them will do. Once a player is lifted the risk of a spear tackle is there.

The question is what does lifting player off the ground and slamming them into the ground bring to the game versus the increased risk of injury?

#6 RugbyLeagueGeek

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Posted 20 April 2014 - 09:40 AM

Take out the element of "above the horizontal" and it's just deliberately lifting a player off the ground.

But what constitutes lifting? Both feet of the ground? One foot off the ground? If it's the latter then it's impossible to police, because every time an attacking player takes a stride, one of his feet comes of the ground. So if he's tackled mid-stride and the defender is trying to get hold hold of him, is that lifting? Or if the defender has hold but the attacker takes extra strides, then his feet will be coming off the floor. I really don't think it's as simple as saying 'ban lifting tackles'.



#7 Padge

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Posted 20 April 2014 - 09:41 AM

You'll have players jumping in the tackle to try and get a penalty.



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#8 RugbyLeagueGeek

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Posted 20 April 2014 - 10:46 AM

You'll have players jumping in the tackle to try and get a penalty.

Yes it'll throw up all sorts of issues that are difficult to anticipate. Just think how annoyed people get with ball stripping incidents.



#9 YCKonstantine

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Posted 20 April 2014 - 10:52 AM

I don't really understand all this hype. Yes it was a terrible accident but lifting legs above horizontal was illegal before it happened and it still is now. High tackles and shoulder charges are illegal but they still happen..

It's time to park the camels.

 

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#10 Trojan

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Posted 20 April 2014 - 11:01 AM

You'll have players jumping in the tackle to try and get a penalty.

I suspect there may have been an element of that in the Lomax incident, may be wrong but he appeared to leap into Ferres's grasp IMO.


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#11 Padge

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Posted 20 April 2014 - 05:24 PM

I suspect there may have been an element of that in the Lomax incident, may be wrong but he appeared to leap into Ferres's grasp IMO.

 

I see where you are coming from, if he hadn't pushed on but surrendered the tackle would have finished differently. However, its the tacklers responsibility to ensure what he does is legal not the attacker.



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#12 Trojan

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Posted 20 April 2014 - 06:54 PM

I see where you are coming from, if he hadn't pushed on but surrendered the tackle would have finished differently. However, its the tacklers responsibility to ensure what he does is legal not the attacker.

no argument, it just sort of looked as though he pushed from his knees as he went into the tackle


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#13 Blind side johnny

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Posted 20 April 2014 - 06:59 PM

When the tackled player has both feet off the ground the referee is supposed to shout held. Throwing him to the ground subsequent to this shout should then be an automatic penalty. Players would stop doing it soon enough if they were getting penalised regularly.


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