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#21 Trojan

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Posted 21 April 2014 - 01:32 PM

I recall being in a fair sized crowd at Tattersfield in March 1995 the last time the Dons were in the top flight.  There's certainly plenty of potential for a successful club in Doncaster, good luck to them.


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Posted 21 April 2014 - 01:36 PM

I recall being in a fair sized crowd at Tattersfield in March 1995 the last time the Dons were in the top flight.  There's certainly plenty of potential for a successful club in Doncaster, good luck to them.

 

Sadly, that was also the week in which the club announced it was basically bust and couldn't afford to pay the players. Times have changed but I agree about the potential being there. Doncaster has also posted some very decent crowds when hosting internationals in recent years too.

 

I am also pleased for Paul Cooke. He has restored his reputation. It was no fluke that when he was at his very best that Hull team of circa 2003-2006 was an emerging force.


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#23 keighley

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Posted 21 April 2014 - 02:13 PM

I recall being in a fair sized crowd at Tattersfield in March 1995 the last time the Dons were in the top flight.  There's certainly plenty of potential for a successful club in Doncaster, good luck to them.

 

The only time they were in the top flight BUT they did win at St Helens that season.



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Posted 22 April 2014 - 06:50 AM

The only time they were in the top flight BUT they did win at St Helens that season.

We were top of the league for 24 hours IIRC. :D


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#25 Jemmo

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Posted 22 April 2014 - 07:54 AM

It was actually 44 and a half hours...not that we counted



#26 Ackroman

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Posted 22 April 2014 - 09:16 AM

I think Dewsbury's progress both on and off the field currently being under the radar would suit both the owner and the coaching staff. I believe they will have more of a say than Doncaster this year. Not only are performances impressive (although not Swiss watch consistent), they are starting to capture some interest. 



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Posted 22 April 2014 - 10:59 AM

Any team coming up will need a sugar daddy because the switch to fulltime professionalism won't be fully met by the tv money. On top of this there is a marketing programme to run and possibly a commitment to community development of RL. None of the prospective promoted clubs will draw more than 6000 fans.

 

P&R might bring up overall standards in the long term but, in the short term, it could be a recipe for financial collapse.


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Posted 22 April 2014 - 02:52 PM

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So back to the point about Doncaster= They have so much potential- they could be the next Huddersfield

 

 

You mean top of the league and no crowds?


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Posted 22 April 2014 - 03:20 PM

It's good to see both Doncaster and Sheffield doing well in the Championship.  I have often felt that South Yorkshire could embrace RL given the right opportunities, especially at the moment with none of the football teams breaking any pots.

 

It would be good if the Keepmoat could host a Challenge Cup semi, especially if two Yorkshire teams are drawn together.


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Posted 22 April 2014 - 08:01 PM

Doncaster in SL would be toast.

 

Lindsey predicted they would crash and burn last time they entered the top flight, no reason for it to be different in the future.

 

Having now upset all the championship wanabbees, its not impossible, but they are going to need a lot of money thrown at them. A serious amount.

 

Until the RFL and the SL clubs take expansion seriously, that means funding it, outlying clubs are going to suffer.

 

Competing with Wigan, Leeds Saints etc. isn't cheap.



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Posted 22 April 2014 - 08:27 PM

 

It would be good if the Keepmoat could host a Challenge Cup semi, especially if two Yorkshire teams are drawn together.

It already has done.


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#32 Railway End

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Posted 22 April 2014 - 08:29 PM

It already has done.


I meant this year, it has been overlooked in recent seasons.

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#33 Northern Sol

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Posted 22 April 2014 - 08:53 PM

Doncaster in SL would be toast.

 

Lindsey predicted they would crash and burn last time they entered the top flight, no reason for it to be different in the future.

 

Having now upset all the championship wanabbees, its not impossible, but they are going to need a lot of money thrown at them. A serious amount.

 

Until the RFL and the SL clubs take expansion seriously, that means funding it, outlying clubs are going to suffer.

 

Competing with Wigan, Leeds Saints etc. isn't cheap.

Who believes that Doncaster would be the beneficiary if the RFL did fund "expansion"?



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Posted 23 April 2014 - 06:55 AM

It's good to see both Doncaster and Sheffield doing well in the Championship.  I have often felt that South Yorkshire could embrace RL given the right opportunities, especially at the moment with none of the football teams breaking any pots....

Maybe if they merged they could beat Cumbria to a Super League Place?

 

 

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#35 The Parksider

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Posted 23 April 2014 - 07:47 AM

There’s no doubt that Doncaster have become a “power” of sorts in the Championship. Look at the league table. But can this be re-interpreted as the rise of a potential Superleague club? Not in a “Million” years.

 

Whether it’s traditional clubs along the M62 or peripheral clubs within reach of it like Doncaster, Sheffield and North Wales, relative success in a semi-professional “Championship” league comes from two things, some money to outbid rivals, and the accessibility of semi pro or low cost pro players.

 

It’s nice to think if you sit atop the Championship you are one step away from being a Superleague club, and even nicer to think you can make that step in a year thanks to annual P & R, then you’ve made it, but there is the small matter of finding a few £Million pounds to operate at the higher level, finding the best part of 10,000 speccies, and finding a decent professional squad to compete to attract those fans as they mainly won’t come to watch losers. See the relegation crowds.

 

The transition of course can be made, but as we have seen with a number of small clubs whether Celtic C, Huddersfield, Gateshead, Salford, Sheffield, HKR, Widnes London B. etc, it takes between £1/2 - £3Million pounds a year gifted from a rich man to simply keep a foothold in the lower reaches of Superleague.

 

Massive sums of charity can make up for few fans, no professional junior base and a desire for the best players to avoid joining you like the plague, but the house of cards can only stand as long as the rich man stands. It would be nice to think that any club funded in this way could grow to stand on it’s own two feet given enough time, but the journey Salford took with Wilkinson, and the journeys Fartown and London have taken may just disprove that notion.


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#36 Wolford6

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Posted 23 April 2014 - 08:07 AM

If there had been a sugar daddy in South Yorkshire, he/she/it would have tried to buy the Don Valley Stadium, ripped the track out and laid a 3g multisport surface.


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Posted 23 April 2014 - 06:20 PM

There’s no doubt that Doncaster have become a “power” of sorts in the Championship. Look at the league table. But can this be re-interpreted as the rise of a potential Superleague club? Not in a “Million” years.

 

Whether it’s traditional clubs along the M62 or peripheral clubs within reach of it like Doncaster, Sheffield and North Wales, relative success in a semi-professional “Championship” league comes from two things, some money to outbid rivals, and the accessibility of semi pro or low cost pro players.

 

It’s nice to think if you sit atop the Championship you are one step away from being a Superleague club, and even nicer to think you can make that step in a year thanks to annual P & R, then you’ve made it, but there is the small matter of finding a few £Million pounds to operate at the higher level, finding the best part of 10,000 speccies, and finding a decent professional squad to compete to attract those fans as they mainly won’t come to watch losers. See the relegation crowds.

 

The transition of course can be made, but as we have seen with a number of small clubs whether Celtic C, Huddersfield, Gateshead, Salford, Sheffield, HKR, Widnes London B. etc, it takes between £1/2 - £3Million pounds a year gifted from a rich man to simply keep a foothold in the lower reaches of Superleague.

 

Massive sums of charity can make up for few fans, no professional junior base and a desire for the best players to avoid joining you like the plague, but the house of cards can only stand as long as the rich man stands. It would be nice to think that any club funded in this way could grow to stand on it’s own two feet given enough time, but the journey Salford took with Wilkinson, and the journeys Fartown and London have taken may just disprove that notion.

 

1. The title of the thread is "Is a new power rising in  the CHAMPIONSHIP " not SL.

 

2. Castleford are currently 2nd. Where is their rich man and 1/2 to 3 million a year ?

 

3. Which clubs are standing on their own two feet without investor input ? Even Wigan Warrington and Leeds have built their successes on initial large  infusion of investor funds so why could a Doncaster or any other club not, at least, replicate the Huddersfield or Castleford examples.

 

4. When anybody ever suggests possible success in Sl for a club on the outside looking in, people jump on the proposal as if it should happen tomorrow. Rome wasn't built in a day and neither will future new entrants to SL but progress along the way to that future looks to be being made at several locations. As Kennedy said about going to the moon "There are those who look at things the way they are and ask why... I dream of things that never were and ask why not ".

 

After the 2000 World Cup the question could have been asked, " Why would we ever organise another one, what a disaster ? ". Two successful competitions later that question has been asked and answered in a resoundingly positive way.

 

Doncaster got to the top tier and failed. Does that mean it could never happen again and be successful.? History would support that it could. He who dares wins.



#38 Ackroman

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Posted 14 July 2014 - 12:25 PM

Good call. First team to beat Leigh



#39 gavin7094

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Posted 15 July 2014 - 10:58 AM

Rugby league expansion should be into towns like Doncaster, Sheffield and York. These are outposts; slightly outside the heartlands but rugby league is being played there, although it is struggling.

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Posted 15 July 2014 - 11:30 AM

Rugby league expansion should be into towns like Doncaster, Sheffield. These are outposts; slightly outside the heartlands but rugby league is being played there, although it is struggling.

 

Well Gavin if your saying this because these clubs can put a team together from players M62 SL clubs don't want & journeymen like other championship clubs then fine, just the problem of attracting a crowd.

 

They may be one or two steps off Superleague but they are very very big steps indeed.

 

Aren't Donny a bit of a Hull "A" team at the moment with Cook and his connections? 






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