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#861 l'angelo mysterioso

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Posted 23 November 2014 - 06:58 PM

He should represent all his constituents.

is there any suggestion that he doesn't?


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#862 ckn

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Posted 23 November 2014 - 07:02 PM

As a reminder, the thread's topic is UKIP

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#863 Martyn Sadler

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Posted 23 November 2014 - 07:05 PM

As a reminder, the thread's topic is UKIP

Is UKIP targeting Dennis Skinner?

 

I should point out that I am not criticising Skinner for changing his mind.

 

I'm simply pointing out that he has done, and that it's hard for anyone, not just him, to give up a high salary for doing something that he obviously enjoys.

 

Idealism sometimes comes at a price, and in this case it seems to be a price he is unwilling to pay.



#864 Larry the Leit

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Posted 23 November 2014 - 07:10 PM

As a reminder, the thread's topic is UKIP


Noted. Perhaps we should start another for Martyn where he can enjoy a healthy debate about Mr Skinner, for debate's sake.

As for UKIP, I don't trust the pollsters one bit when it comes to them. They're a new dynamic in British politics. And there are enough closet racists and reactionary morons to impact results in a number of constituencies.

They've got few policies, and are even thinner on ethics. Farrage isn't the bloke in the pub, he'd be turfed out of my local. The former (disgraced) Tory MP finds a home there though and he's good value too.
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#865 l'angelo mysterioso

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Posted 23 November 2014 - 07:37 PM

Is UKIP targeting Dennis Skinner?

I should point out that I am not criticising Skinner for changing his mind.

I'm simply pointing out that he has done, and that it's hard for anyone, not just him, to give up a high salary for doing something that he obviously enjoys.

Idealism sometimes comes at a price, and in this case it seems to be a price he is unwilling to pay.

I'm at a loss to understand your motivation for raising the subject

I don't know whether Skinner has compromised his ideals or not: whatever they might be
But there are several reasons why his carrying on as an mp is not a compromise of ideals qv

Edited by l'angelo mysterioso, 23 November 2014 - 07:40 PM.

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#866 Bob8

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Posted 23 November 2014 - 10:37 PM

He should represent all his constituents.

Let us hope that none of them have differing opinions.

 

Regarding UKIP, a couple of repetitive points. 

 

My feeling is that there is more isolation from Westminister than at any time in my lfe (38 years, since you ask).  This means increasing popularity for any alterntative and scepticism of any suggestion coming from Westminister.  So, the EU is more popular than ever and so is UKIP.

 

Labour is becoming increasing rubbish in a was the Conservatives always have been.  It is following the American model of a party that barely conceal their contempt for working people and one that do not even try.  As a leftie, UKIP might be good thing.

 

UKIP are a classic continental party, with right wing ideology coupled wiith some left wing populism.  Were they in a coalition, only the right wing policies would see the light of day.


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#867 Larry the Leit

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Posted 24 November 2014 - 12:05 PM

 As a leftie, UKIP might be good thing.

 

I'm struggling with this.  


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#868 JonM

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Posted 24 November 2014 - 12:30 PM

I'm struggling with this.  

 

UKIP economic policies are so bonkers that the resulting recession/depression will be severe enough to leave right wing parties in the cold for a generation? Otherwise I'm struggling too.



#869 Severus

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Posted 24 November 2014 - 01:02 PM

I'm struggling with this.  

 

The only thing I can think of is that the reaction to UKIP might be a good thing. 


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#870 Griff9of13

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Posted Yesterday, 08:38 PM

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#871 fieldofclothofgold

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Posted Today, 05:37 PM

Alex Ferguson changed his mind about retirement too
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#872 Richard de la Riviere

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Posted Today, 06:12 PM

Marginal polling released today by Lord Ashcroft suggests that Farage might have a struggle to win the Thanet South seat in the election. He had been 4% ahead a couple of months ago. Now 5% behind the Tories.



#873 WearyRhino

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Posted Today, 06:30 PM

Marginal polling released today by Lord Ashcroft suggests that Farage might have a struggle to win the Thanet South seat in the election. He had been 4% ahead a couple of months ago. Now 5% behind the Tories.


I think the kippers will be lucky to get a single seat come the GE and if they do it'll be one of the 2 recent by-election winners, not Farage.

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#874 gingerjon

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Posted Today, 06:41 PM

I think the kippers will be lucky to get a single seat come the GE and if they do it'll be one of the 2 recent by-election winners, not Farage.

 

That would be interesting.

 

I think Reckless will struggle to hang on by the way.  

 

I can see Farage having ego enough to divert all of Ukip's resources to ensuring he can add Westminster expenses to his Brussels-boosted bank balance.  Thanet South will be kipcentral.


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#875 villager

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Posted Today, 07:00 PM

that reminds me ,when are all the thieving socialist mps due out of prison for fraud?who would have ever thought  about working class mps,,now we have another snoutin the trough mp wanting to become mayor of london,,,,HAVE THEY GOT NO SHAME.



#876 gingerjon

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Posted Today, 07:04 PM

that reminds me ,when are all the thieving socialist mps due out of prison for fraud?who would have ever thought  about working class mps,,now we have another snoutin the trough mp wanting to become mayor of london,,,,HAVE THEY GOT NO SHAME.

 

Will someone think of the children?


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#877 WearyRhino

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Posted Today, 07:05 PM

That would be interesting.

 

I think Reckless will struggle to hang on by the way.  

 

I can see Farage having ego enough to divert all of Ukip's resources to ensuring he can add Westminster expenses to his Brussels-boosted bank balance.  Thanet South will be kipcentral.

 

Reckless is an idiot and now he's a disloyal idiot, so I agree his chances are more limited when the protest voters go back to their 'home' parties. Carswell seems to have a bit more nouse. Carswell looks well placed to take the leadership off Farage post GE, but ultimately they are all heading for the political wilderness.


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#878 Griff9of13

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Posted Today, 07:19 PM

that reminds me ,when are all the thieving socialist mps due out of prison for fraud?who would have ever thought about working class mps,,now we have another snoutin the trough mp wanting to become mayor of london,,,,HAVE THEY GOT NO SHAME.


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#879 gingerjon

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Posted Today, 07:45 PM

Reckless is an idiot and now he's a disloyal idiot, so I agree his chances are more limited when the protest voters go back to their 'home' parties. Carswell seems to have a bit more nouse. Carswell looks well placed to take the leadership off Farage post GE, but ultimately they are all heading for the political wilderness.

 

I have a kind of grudging respect for Carswell because he at least gives the impression of thinking about things.  It's notable that the three figures in Ukip worth talking about (the two MPs plus the media tart) seem to completely disagree with each other at even the most basic policy level.


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