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#1221 l'angelo mysterioso

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Posted 15 December 2014 - 06:21 PM

That *used* to be a source of scandal in both Labour and Tory ranks. Now it causes only the occasional murmur and even more occasional 'local' victory.


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#1222 gingerjon

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Posted 15 December 2014 - 06:38 PM

But not in liberal democrat ranks. David steel continues to defend his party's conduct in the Cyril Smith case

 

Not sure that that has anything to do with either Ukip or the parachuting in of high profile central candidates into safe or target seats.


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#1223 l'angelo mysterioso

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Posted 15 December 2014 - 07:15 PM

Not sure that that has anything to do with either Ukip or the parachuting in of high profile central candidates into safe or target seats.

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#1224 Wolford6

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Posted 15 December 2014 - 08:04 PM

Just a reminder:

 

Tonight at 10pm on Channel 4, Nigel Farage meets Steph and Dom from Gogglebox.


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#1225 Wolford6

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Posted 15 December 2014 - 10:32 PM

Well, that's a few thousand more votes in the bank.


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#1226 Amber Avenger

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Posted Yesterday, 12:01 AM

Well, that's a few thousand more votes in the bank.

 

I wouldn't go that far - I think by and large whatever your view of Farage before that show tonight, it'll have remained largely unchanged after. Certainly wouldn't have done him much harm though. 

 

I was a little disappointed in the show to be honest - don't get me wrong, I wasn't expecting Frost/Nixon, but Steph and Dom have been by and large rather critical of UKIP on Gogglebox - I didn't think it it would be 30 minutes of Farage bashing, don't get me wrong otherwise he wouldn't have agreed to it - but at times it came across as a bit of a party polictical broadcast. 


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#1227 Bedford Roughyed

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Posted Yesterday, 12:33 AM

Farage doesn't like Hamilton.  He thinks he is an electoral liability due to his past.  Someone is leaking more on Hamilton to the press - 

 

http://www.independe...ca-9927119.html


With the best, thats a good bit of PR, though I would say the Bedford team, theres, like, you know, 13 blokes who can get together at the weekend to have a game together, which doesnt point to expansion of the game. Point, yeah go on!

#1228 Bedford Roughyed

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Posted Yesterday, 03:33 AM

The party that campaigns against the dodgy use of European money, has launched a new dodgy political party so it can get its hands on European money.

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-30486154

 

 

UKIP has secured control of a £1.5m pot of EU funds by creating a new pan-European party, Newsnight has learned.

 

The money is normally set aside for parties that want to promote European integration and the decision to seek the funding has split UKIP members.

 

Some members believe it is is wrong for an aggressively Eurosceptic party to jump aboard the "EU gravy train".


With the best, thats a good bit of PR, though I would say the Bedford team, theres, like, you know, 13 blokes who can get together at the weekend to have a game together, which doesnt point to expansion of the game. Point, yeah go on!

#1229 Bedford Roughyed

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Posted Yesterday, 09:01 AM

Kerry Smith has resigned from UKIP. Still a councillor...
With the best, thats a good bit of PR, though I would say the Bedford team, theres, like, you know, 13 blokes who can get together at the weekend to have a game together, which doesnt point to expansion of the game. Point, yeah go on!

#1230 Wolford6

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Posted Yesterday, 09:26 AM

Labour worried about losing votes to UKIP in Yorkshire.

 

http://www.thetelegr...to_UKIP/?ref=mr


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#1231 gingerjon

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Posted Yesterday, 11:26 AM

The party that campaigns against the dodgy use of European money, has launched a new dodgy political party so it can get its hands on European money.

 

The only way to stop a gravy train is to ride it.


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Posted Yesterday, 11:59 AM

The only way to stop a gravy train is to ride it.

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#1233 gingerjon

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Posted Yesterday, 12:18 PM

I wouldn't go that far - I think by and large whatever your view of Farage before that show tonight, it'll have remained largely unchanged after. Certainly wouldn't have done him much harm though. 

 

I was a little disappointed in the show to be honest - don't get me wrong, I wasn't expecting Frost/Nixon, but Steph and Dom have been by and large rather critical of UKIP on Gogglebox - I didn't think it it would be 30 minutes of Farage bashing, don't get me wrong otherwise he wouldn't have agreed to it - but at times it came across as a bit of a party polictical broadcast. 

 

Rare that I find a line in the Telegraph that sums up my feelings about such programmes but: "there was also the uncomfortable implication that if you are posh, getting sozzled and smoking your head off is laudable behaviour whereas if you are poor, it just makes you feckless."


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#1234 Bob8

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Posted Today, 02:43 PM

That's certainly a point of view, though not one I entirely agree with. The Greens, being a socialist party are all about collective responsibility through the state, trades unions, coops, workers councils etc. Its  the Conservatives who stand for personal responsibility.

 

However, where UKIP scores is that it articulates what many voters (well, enough to  get them the number of MEPs and local councillors they have, anyway) think. Those voters may well be wrong (and indeed ARE wrong about in many areas) but they are voters, their votes counts, they are entitled to be heard and represented.

 

To win them over, UKIPs opponents have to stop misrepresenting UKIP views, have to stop demeaning and patronising UKIP voters, and have to stop characterising them as knuckle- dragging thickies and far right loonies.  Each attack on Farage an co at present seems to feed energy into UKIP, making it stronger and more prominent. Is that what you want? 

 

Instead, Labour and Conservatives should be addressing the fears and perceptions  of voters, not making ridiculous promises on the EU, immigration, etc that they can't or won't keep.

 

For example, some people ARE uncomfortable seeing breast-feeding in public. Sure, attitudes are thankfully  improving but scoffing at those who are uncomfortable will not win them over. Equally, some people ARE uncomfortable with large numbers of EU immigrants  and have not seen a corresponding increase in services to match. In addition, some people with direct experience are uncomfortable with the large number of people of Asian origin concentrated in certain areas. 

 

At least UKIP have opened up the debate, empowered people to discuss the issues without being accused of racism (though there are those who do see UKIP voters as racist and no doubt some are.) UKIP people are humans, real people, voters and deserve the same respect as the rest of us.

 

I think the "threat" from UKIP will diminish in the final few weeks of the  election campaign, provided the main parties address these issues in a positive way, convincing potential UK voters to stay with Labour or Conservatives. Bland (but true) statements about how good immigration is for the economy do not wash with  many especially if you live in Boston where something like 15% of the population are in that category stretching already stretched resources. People also generally against HS2, 48% to 30% at present,  as is UKIP ( see https://yougov.co.uk...ill-oppose-hs2/) ..ther's £32 billion that might be better spent elsewhere.

 

I agree with very much of this.  In Denmark, we see the equivalent party (rather nastier) running a campaign slogan of "We take your vote seriously", a very nice reply to people scoffing at their voters.  The main parties seem to be rushing to placate idiots (as they see it).


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