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#1441 Griff9of13

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Posted 23 February 2015 - 11:50 AM

When asked what goes through her mind when she sees a black person, she replied: "I don't want to look".

 

I wonder why some people feel like this and what the answer is.  Yes she's been expelled (one in a series of may such expulsions, it seems)  from UKIP but she'll still have that point of (non) view

 

An interesting point. For me it's difficult to imagine thinking like that. I do think that just pointing and shouting "racist" at such people will do nothing to either challenge their views or help us to understand why they hold them. 


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#1442 JohnM

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Posted 23 February 2015 - 11:58 AM

I realise that it is in part ignorance through lack of experience, metal laziness, lack of familiarity, dislike of anything  " foreign". It also seems age related, which might link to lack of experience, contact etc.  I bet if she were in need of help - doctor, nurse etc she'd soon change her views


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Posted 23 February 2015 - 12:01 PM

Someone I know is terrified of albinos for no obvious reason so it does happen. Of course the woman in this case is unsuited to being a councillor

 

When we went to watch the TdF, we got chatting to two blokes on the train to Skipton... one Pakistani and one ostensibly "white". The white bloke was actually an albino Pakistani, with pale skin and blonde hair.  I can visually distinguish between white and asian ethnicity over standard colour variations, and generally between ethnic Indians and ethnic Pakistanis. It was an education to realise that, to the casual observer, this albino lad facially  looked more ethnically-white than ethnically-Pakistani.

My friend, who is a lecturer and has for years taught a wide range of British and foreign students was equally surprised.


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#1444 ckn

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Posted 23 February 2015 - 12:24 PM

An interesting point. For me it's difficult to imagine thinking like that. I do think that just pointing and shouting "racist" at such people will do nothing to either challenge their views or help us to understand why they hold them. 

 

I realise that it is in part ignorance through lack of experience, metal laziness, lack of familiarity, dislike of anything  " foreign". It also seems age related, which might link to lack of experience, contact etc.  I bet if she were in need of help - doctor, nurse etc she'd soon change her views

There was an excellent documentary about things like this a few years ago and it seems much of it comes from upbringing.  It's not much to do with being taught that those of a different skin or religion are bad, but obviously that'll do it as well, most of it comes from being brought up to distrust those not like you.  The more negative attitudes towards others that your parents had, be it racial, religious, a dislike of police, wealth related, those from another village, or any other negative stereotypes, the more likely the kid is to grow up disliking those with strong noticeable differences to them, e.g. religion or race.

 

The documentary compared it to the animal kingdom, especially with cats, to show it in an aggravated style.  They showed kittens who were properly socialised with humans who would happily accept coexisting with a human in adulthood despite any traumas in their lives but then they showed feral kittens who had no interactions with humans until about 12 weeks old, at no point in their lives would they accept humans as anything other than threatening despite lots of careful attention and love.  The view of the documentary was that intolerance gets ingrained at a very young age in humans as well by learning to natively mirror their protecting parents' negative attitudes, evolution has taught us that to survive we should mimic our parents' negative behaviours as they're usually to do with perceived safety.  The difference between humans and any other animal is though that we have the advantage of being able to use our intelligence and education to educate our way out of irrational intolerances.


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Posted 23 February 2015 - 12:43 PM

When we went to watch the TdF, we got chatting to two blokes on the train to Skipton... one Pakistani and one ostensibly "white". The white bloke was actually an albino Pakistani, with pale skin and blonde hair.  I can visually distinguish between white and asian ethnicity over standard colour variations, and generally between ethnic Indians and ethnic Pakistanis. It was an education to realise that, to the casual observer, this albino lad facially  looked more ethnically-white than ethnically-Pakistani.

My friend, who is a lecturer and has for years taught a wide range of British and foreign students was equally surprised.

Genetically the difference between Europeans and South Asians (excluding Tamils and a few tribal groups) is surprisingly small. In fact most South Asians share the same gene in the direct male lineage to most eastern Europeans



#1446 bowes

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Posted 23 February 2015 - 12:44 PM

An interesting point. For me it's difficult to imagine thinking like that. I do think that just pointing and shouting "racist" at such people will do nothing to either challenge their views or help us to understand why they hold them. 

One of my friends used to be racist but is now a teacher. Basically he grew up with a racist dad and his teacher used to teach racism at school before he got arrested and he grew up in an all white district. Once he started to meet people who weren't white and make friends with them it eventually vanished so there is hope for people



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Posted 23 February 2015 - 12:59 PM

An interesting point. For me it's difficult to imagine thinking like that. I do think that just pointing and shouting "racist" at such people will do nothing to either challenge their views or help us to understand why they hold them.

In fact to use a well known example I was very impressed by how the Quilliam foundation basically killed the EDL by convincing the leaders that there are good Muslims. All the SWP psychos attacking them ever achieved was giving the EDL unnecessary oxygen of publicity that helped attract loads of hideous characters

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Posted 23 February 2015 - 01:57 PM

In fact to use a well known example I was very impressed by how the Quilliam foundation basically killed the EDL by convincing the leaders that there are good Muslims. All the SWP psychos attacking them ever achieved was giving the EDL unnecessary oxygen of publicity that helped attract loads of hideous characters

 

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Posted 23 February 2015 - 02:25 PM

Is the EDL dead?

Not entirely but it's much smaller and many of the leaders left and renounced their opposition to all Muslims deciding only extremist is bad.

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Posted 24 February 2015 - 05:05 PM

Being repelled by a person on the basis of some physical characteristic is fine and normal.  The only issue is when we believe the repulsion is something to do with them rather than ourselves.


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#1451 JohnM

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Posted 24 February 2015 - 05:24 PM

Being repelled by a person on the basis of some physical characteristic is fine and normal.

 

the problem starts when people take - or -don't - take action  that affects that person, I think



#1452 Bob8

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Posted 24 February 2015 - 06:35 PM

Being repelled by a person on the basis of some physical characteristic is fine and normal.

 

the problem starts when people take - or -don't - take action  that affects that person, I think

I think it is when you blame the person for the reaction.  If I have a negative reaction to someone being left handed, I cannot help that and should not be blamed for it.  If I blame the left handed person for that negative reaction, then it makes sense to be annoyed at them.  If I realise it is just a daft reaction, then I would have no reason to treat them differently.  Self awareness is the important thing.  Personally, I am rubbish at self-awareness, so I am just lucky that I do not feel particularly repelled by other races of cultures rather than being morally superior.


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#1453 Griff9of13

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Posted 25 February 2015 - 12:51 PM

Nigel isn't going to be happy: https://twitter.com/UKIPRoystnVasey:D


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Posted 27 February 2015 - 03:48 PM

Ukip party conference: Dancers in Nazi costumes perform Springtime for Hitler as delegates arrive

 

Brilliant. :D


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#1455 ShotgunGold

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Posted 27 February 2015 - 08:18 PM

The whole thing about racism has been completely overblown by people of the left-wing.

 

I will probably be voting for UKIP in May, and the issue for me as well as 80% of UKIP voters is a cultural one not a racial one.

 

Rozanna Duncan is a sad deluded woman who sounds like she has mental problems. If UKIP had have vetted their candidates properly she wouldn't have even been allowed entry into the party. I am glad UKIP HQ kicked her ###### out but really they need to be so much more professional with these matters.

 

Personally I just want to see the culture of my country defended. And for a multitude of reasons I don't think our government gives a hoot about doing that.

 

Last year I visited Bulgaria, Macedonia, Albania (just Pogradec) and Northern Greece. Why did I visit? Because I wanted to visit the true culture of proud nations that had not yet been ruined by globalisation and multiculturalism.

 

Coincidentally on the flight there I sat next to a Bulgarian girl of 24 years who visited England for three weeks and she said that she hated London because she never met many English people whilst there. I completely understand her point. Sofia would not be Sofia without Bulgarians living there.

 

When we consider the culture of indigenous peoples, the culture of third world countries, or even the culture of small nations such as Ireland or Scotland there seems to be a reverence for it.

 

We have respect for Tomas de Zumalacarregui for defending Basque culture, or W. B. Yeats for defending Irish culture, yet nobody seems to give two damns about England.

 

I will be visiting China on holiday on Tuesday and no doubt will see things that I don't see here in England. I hope I do.

 

We rightly spend so much effort on defending biodiversity, well we should be doing the same for cultural diversity.

 

As you can probably guess I have a dislike for globalisation, neoliberalism, multiculturalism, mass immigration, and multinational companies that I believe collectively are destroying some of the true greatness of our world, including my own England, the nation I cherish.

 

That is why I am voting UKIP.

 

Oh and just to note no I am not a 90 year old war veteran, I was born in the early 1990s actually.



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Posted 28 February 2015 - 09:50 AM

UKIPs David Coburn MEP came across like a scary cartoon character on "Any Questions" last night, ranting and insulting the audience.

 

It's worth a listen for the comedy value alone, except for the fact that he's real and comes across as little more than a shouting playground bully.


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Posted 28 February 2015 - 10:50 AM

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