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#1641 bowes

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Posted 15 May 2015 - 05:45 PM

They won't exist, in their current form, by the end of the year.

The party will probably be split in two by the end of the year, with one half rejoining the Conservatives if we vote to leave the EU



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Posted 15 May 2015 - 06:09 PM

The party will probably be split in two by the end of the year, with one half rejoining the Conservatives if we vote to leave the EU


I really doubt we will be leaving the EU any time soon. If there is a referendum you can bet your life the question will be framed in such a way that staying in will be the only sensible option. Also expect the "free" press to suddenly become all pro Europe. Assuming that staying in is what the leadership of the tory party wants of course.
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#1643 Bedford Roughyed

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Posted 15 May 2015 - 06:12 PM

I really doubt we will be leaving the EU any time soon. If there is a referendum you can bet your life the question will be framed in such a way that staying in will be the only sensible option. Also expect the "free" press to suddenly become all pro Europe. Assuming that staying in is what the leadership of the tory party wants of course.

 

I think the leadership (Cameron) does want to stay in.  However, I think the press and his vocal backbenchers do want to leave.  I can't see the Mail, Sun and express going pro-Europe anytime soon.


With the best, thats a good bit of PR, though I would say the Bedford team, theres, like, you know, 13 blokes who can get together at the weekend to have a game together, which doesnt point to expansion of the game. Point, yeah go on!

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Posted 15 May 2015 - 06:25 PM

I think the leadership (Cameron) does want to stay in.  However, I think the press and his vocal backbenchers do want to leave.  I can't see the Mail, Sun and express going pro-Europe anytime soon.

Expect huge, screaming xenophobic headlines, followed by microscopic, grudging retractions.


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Posted 15 May 2015 - 06:33 PM

I think the leadership (Cameron) does want to stay in. However, I think the press and his vocal backbenchers do want to leave. I can't see the Mail, Sun and express going pro-Europe anytime soon.


If that happened it would probably scupper his leadership and possibly trigger a no confidence vote if there were an anti EU rebellion of Tory backbenchers.
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Posted 15 May 2015 - 08:40 PM

I'm increasingly seeing rumours that UKIP will take a sharp left turn next election (in economic terms, obviously not with regard to immigration) to go all out to win the north from Labour. Given how poor the candidates for Labour leadership are this isn't impossible. Of course Douglas Carswell is a Tory libertarian at heart so would have no time for reaching out to the industrial working class

It would make sense.  It is a fairly standard European model (the irony is unintentional, but there), a nationalist party who adopt a mix of left a right wing policies.  The policies will be designed to appeal to conservative minded people, disillusioned (often quite reasonably) with the modern world.  The Danish Peoples Party do the same thing and maintain a vote in the someteen%. 

 

When it comes to the crunch, more populist right wing policies are implemented rather than left wing ones, as this enables them to maintain an appeal to both of there support bases.


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#1647 bowes

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Posted 15 May 2015 - 11:00 PM

It would make sense.  It is a fairly standard European model (the irony is unintentional, but there), a nationalist party who adopt a mix of left a right wing policies.  The policies will be designed to appeal to conservative minded people, disillusioned (often quite reasonably) with the modern world.  The Danish Peoples Party do the same thing and maintain a vote in the someteen%. 

 

When it comes to the crunch, more populist right wing policies are implemented rather than left wing ones, as this enables them to maintain an appeal to both of there support bases.

Yeah I really can't see there being a niche to the right of the Tories on economic matters, but a party like one you say may find a niche (at least until Labour sort themselves out, Ed Miliband actually was one of the few to make an effort to understand the working class, he just wasn't good at getting that fact across. People like Tristram Hunt really don't seem very appealing)


Edited by bowes, 19 May 2015 - 09:55 PM.


#1648 Bedford Roughyed

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Posted 19 May 2015 - 06:34 PM

Looks like Farage has headed off the revolt. 

 

http://www.huffingto..._n_7313000.html


With the best, thats a good bit of PR, though I would say the Bedford team, theres, like, you know, 13 blokes who can get together at the weekend to have a game together, which doesnt point to expansion of the game. Point, yeah go on!

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Posted 19 May 2015 - 09:43 PM

So looks like the coup has failed.
With the best, thats a good bit of PR, though I would say the Bedford team, theres, like, you know, 13 blokes who can get together at the weekend to have a game together, which doesnt point to expansion of the game. Point, yeah go on!

#1650 bowes

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Posted 19 May 2015 - 09:55 PM

Yeah looks they're becoming Farage's personal party now and presumably the MP will be gone soon, with most of the MEPs liable to follow. For what it's worth Patrick O'Flynn and Suzanne Evans were on the wing of the party that wanted to moderate their image, so looks like it will be more of the deny healthcare to immigrants with HIV type policies


Edited by bowes, 20 May 2015 - 09:03 PM.


#1651 Bedford Roughyed

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Posted 20 May 2015 - 07:35 PM

http://www.channel4....eople-voted-for

 

Mr Sen says he is a keen follower of both the British fascist leader Oswald Mosley and Enoch Powell, whose 1968 "rivers of blood" speech stirred up racial tensions.

 

He believes that Britain wants to embrace national socialism; the full name for Adolf Hitler's movement. And, during a speech at a prominent far-right meeting in London earlier this month, Mr Sen accused Ukip - from which he resigned yesterday - of having been "taken over" by "Jewish special interest groups".

 


With the best, thats a good bit of PR, though I would say the Bedford team, theres, like, you know, 13 blokes who can get together at the weekend to have a game together, which doesnt point to expansion of the game. Point, yeah go on!

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Posted 20 May 2015 - 08:30 PM

Farage's EU Parliament colleagues have a bit of fun with his recent issues :P


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#1653 bowes

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Posted 20 May 2015 - 09:44 PM

http://www.independe...t-10262669.html






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