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#1 Scubby

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Posted 06 May 2014 - 08:33 AM

I remember Betts getting a lot of stick when he joined Widnes in the Championship - people saying he had lost touch with the game having been in RU and was the wrong choice to take them into SL.

 

I am no Widnes fan but this club has steadily improved year on year with a 7-3 win ratio this year and fifth place. I look at the Widnes squad on paper and is definitely should not be above the likes of Hull, Warrington, Salford, Huddersfield etc. and Betts needs to get some credit for his work there.

 

Ironically, Widnes personify the now defunct licence system. Had he been building the club now he would have probably got the sack. He is the example that patience with a coach can pay off.



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Posted 06 May 2014 - 08:41 AM

One thing no owner or CEO should do... is listen to fans with regard to coaches.  We are a fickle lot with Leeds being a prime example of many clubs fans... I can still remember many fans booing McDermott and wanting him replaced... yet now its a different view from those same many.... I noted the ovation he got the other day against Wigan and contrasted that with his earlier receptions early on in his Leeds  coaching career....

 

So yep hats off to Betts for proving he is a good coach and for doing a great job at Widnes with the club sticking by him through more difficult times. No doubt in the process ignoring some fans when it wasn't so rosy.


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Posted 06 May 2014 - 08:42 AM

I remember Betts getting a lot of stick when he joined Widnes in the Championship - people saying he had lost touch with the game having been in RU and was the wrong choice to take them into SL.

 

I am no Widnes fan but this club has steadily improved year on year with a 7-3 win ratio this year and fifth place. I look at the Widnes squad on paper and is definitely should not be above the likes of Hull, Warrington, Salford, Huddersfield etc. and Betts needs to get some credit for his work there.

 

Ironically, Widnes personify the now defunct licence system. Had he been building the club now he would have probably got the sack. He is the example that patience with a coach can pay off.

To be honest, he was getting stick for much longer than that - Widnes' first SL season, for instance, saw plenty of people claiming he was out of his depth.

 

Patience has paid off.


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#4 Viking Warrior

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Posted 06 May 2014 - 09:05 AM

i hold my hand up and say i was wrong about denis he is creating a rally professional and efficient team built around the wonderful skill of the halves. my hat off to him for persevering and proving me and a lot of widnes fans wrong


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Posted 06 May 2014 - 09:19 AM

But Widnes finished 6th in the Championship and didn't deserve their SL place etc. etc. .....

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#6 Viking Warrior

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Posted 06 May 2014 - 09:23 AM

go back to sleep soft lad we met the license criteria and that was it we had more than a team we have a club that is financially stable and building all the time 


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Posted 06 May 2014 - 09:26 AM

One thing no owner or CEO should do... is listen to fans with regard to coaches.  

Well, Adam Pearson certainly hasn't.

 

I wonder how long it'll be before we have a "Well done Lee Radford" thread.

 

I suspect I know the answer.


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#8 tim2

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Posted 06 May 2014 - 10:19 AM

go back to sleep soft lad we met the license criteria and that was it we had more than a team we have a club that is financially stable and building all the time


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#9 Just Browny

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Posted 06 May 2014 - 10:54 AM

I saw the thread title and thought Betts had got his knighthood!

 

Anyway, he's done a super job and Widnes play a decent brand of rugby with what I imagine is a relatively cheap squad. Well done to them.


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#10 Scubby

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Posted 06 May 2014 - 11:31 AM

Well, Adam Pearson certainly hasn't.

 

I wonder how long it'll be before we have a "Well done Lee Radford" thread.

 

I suspect I know the answer.

 

Radford's appointment was a really puzzling one - he seemed far from ready. If they were going down a former player route they could have done a lot worse than appoint someone like Karl Harrison.



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Posted 06 May 2014 - 02:37 PM

I saw the thread title and thought Betts had got his knighthood!
 
Anyway, he's done a super job and Widnes play a decent brand of rugby with what I imagine is a relatively cheap squad. Well done to them.


The rabble will be calling for his head on a platter when the mighty Cougars beat the Vikings on their march to Wembley !!!!

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Posted 06 May 2014 - 03:22 PM

The rabble will be calling for his head on a platter when the mighty Cougars beat the Vikings on their march to Wembley !!!!

 

Glad it's on Sky so we can all witness this historic occasion.



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Posted 06 May 2014 - 03:55 PM

Glad it's on Sky so we can all witness this historic occasion.

yes, I must admit the words "snowball" :chance" and "hell" spring into my mind for some obscure reason.

#14 Futtocks

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Posted 06 May 2014 - 04:30 PM

i hold my hand up and say i was wrong about denis he is creating a rally professional and efficient team built around the wonderful skill of the halves. my hat off to him for persevering and proving me and a lot of widnes fans wrong

Most of the time, admitting to being wrong is a pain in the neck and requires firmly gritted teeth. Just occasionally, it's a pleasure!


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#15 Maximus Decimus

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Posted 06 May 2014 - 05:19 PM

I'll happily admit I was wrong. Whilst I was mainly arguing that it was a risk placing our Super League place in the hands of an inexperienced coach that was the problem, I also thought that he wasn't going to come good regardless of time. He'd not only made a poor effort in creating a squad for Super League, he'd done a pretty poor job in the Championship too. It's similar to how people viewed David Moyes, there is a presumption that with time things will come good but as with Moyes I didn't think they would.

 

Whilst Widnes should be applauded for sticking with him, they didn't handle the situation perfectly. They basically admitted in that first season that they'd tried to get somebody in over him (Tim Sheens) and when they failed extended his contract. Also, I still think that we over-respected Super League and that we could have done much better in that first year.

 

We've been rewarded for persistance and it is perhaps a lesson for not just Widnes fans. We haven't exactly signed our way out of trouble, 12 of the 17 that played on that first game in 2012 are still playing now. We have clearly benefited from the familiarity and stability.


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Posted 06 May 2014 - 09:47 PM

Without licensing, Betts and patience Widnes would either be in the Championship, broke or both.

 

I still can't believe with the Widnes model having shown the way we are still wanting to go back to the stone age.



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Posted 07 May 2014 - 02:33 AM

Without licensing, Betts and patience Widnes would either be in the Championship, broke or both.
 
I still can't believe with the Widnes model having shown the way we are still wanting to go back to the stone age.


Absolutely and you can add London, Salford, Crusaders, Wakefield (twice) and Bradford ( twice ) as further examples of why we shouldn't change the licencing system.

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Posted 07 May 2014 - 07:51 AM

I remember Betts getting a lot of stick when he joined Widnes in the Championship - people saying he had lost touch with the game having been in RU and was the wrong choice to take them into SL.
 
I am no Widnes fan but this club has steadily improved year on year with a 7-3 win ratio this year and fifth place. I look at the Widnes squad on paper and is definitely should not be above the likes of Hull, Warrington, Salford, Huddersfield etc. and Betts needs to get some credit for his work there.
 
Ironically, Widnes personify the now defunct licence system. Had he been building the club now he would have probably got the sack. He is the example that patience with a coach can pay off.



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Posted 07 May 2014 - 09:36 AM

Absolutely and you can add London, Salford, Crusaders, Wakefield (twice) and Bradford ( twice ) as further examples of why we shouldn't change the licencing system.


Licensing encourages good practice, it doesn't stop people being idiots. Had licensing continued, I think London and Wakefield would have been under severe pressure from Leigh and Featherstone. Both of these clubs, IMO, would have been better off achieving promotion on the 3 year cycle than under 3x8, but we'll never know if that's true.
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#20 Viking Warrior

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Posted 07 May 2014 - 08:32 PM

Absolutely and you can add London, Salford, Crusaders, Wakefield (twice) and Bradford ( twice ) as further examples of why we shouldn't change the licencing system.

 

 

but widnes did it proper from the start ...............


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