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#61 LordCharles

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Posted 02 June 2014 - 07:05 AM

4 divisions of which delivered a grand total of 8 fixtures yesterday from 37 teams and last week saw another team fold at U18's (Langworthy Reds).


There are no more teams this year than last and June/July will once again be the acid test as Work, Music Festivals, Holidays, Weddings, Stag do's etc etc all take centre stage.


No doubt more will fall by the wayside and competitions will fall apart once more.


For the record of the 37 teams most have only completed 6 or 7 League fixtures since March which is going to really put the pressure on to play midweek over the coming months, usually this also leads to plenty of 18-0's as teams struggle to get 13 on the pitch for Sunday let alone during the week.


Most game's I have watched this season at 18's have seen teams struggle to get a full 17, a lot of teams are playing with a bare 13 or might have 14 or 15, few turn out with a full compliment.

Edited by LordCharles, 02 June 2014 - 07:11 AM.

#62 bowes

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Posted 02 June 2014 - 08:59 AM

Still better than Yorkshire Youth in winter

#63 LordCharles

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Posted 02 June 2014 - 09:01 AM

Still better than Yorkshire Youth in winter



Oh well...........thats OK then, all is good.

#64 Defender1

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Posted 02 June 2014 - 09:14 AM

Bowes don't go there with the Yorkshire Youth this folded due to the management, falling out with BARLA then being in discussion with the RFL, DG wanted this league to stay winter. Look at the information that came out from the management on their website last post was pre- Xmas not a way to communicate with their clubs. This is where BARLA fell down they should have stepped in and got involved but let it go, think before the switch to summer over 100 teams at 16-18 in Yorkshire Youth, what have we now?

#65 Defender1

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Posted 02 June 2014 - 02:51 PM

In fact as there are no 18s there are just over 60 teams 16-17, look at the league tables some of these have played 1-2-3-4 games plus the possibility of a cup game not a good return after 3 months of rugby

Sheffield Hallam 120 10 man Valley Cougers 6, now that ain't good, is this not the flagship Southern Conference?

Edited by Defender1, 02 June 2014 - 07:50 PM.

#66 Nev V Dawn

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Posted 03 June 2014 - 04:00 PM

We are increasing our numbers in the NW Juniors but where can you find any credit or acknowledgement from the RFL ?
Not that we are bothered ,senior RFL officers have even stopped responding to pertinent emails wonder why ?

The Silence from the Community Board Reps concerns me ,beginning to wonder if deals are being done behind closed doors ?


Since BARLA/Pennine ARL did a job on Stuart Prior, the amatuer (community) game was left with no worthy representation whatsoever on the community board 

Edited by Nev V Dawn, 03 June 2014 - 04:03 PM.

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#67 LordCharles

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Posted 09 July 2014 - 09:04 AM

I thought this better suited to the community part of the forum as it will affect this game more than any other

Posted Today, 08:15 AM
I recently received the information below and it makes very interesting reading


A three tier Academy structure will be developed with 4 year Licenses

Up to 8 Category 1 Full-Time Academies.
Up to 8 Category 2 Part-Time Academies
Unlimited Category 3 Education Academies

The Academy structure will require clubs to identify a strategic approach for how the club want to develop players within the resources that it has available.

Academy U15 and U16

Category 1 Academy will operate and manage the full coaching and games programme for up to 40 players registered as scholars in an U15-U16 Academy. Players will progress from the community club environment to the professional club and be dual registered with the community club. Only Category 1 clubs will be able to operate professional club registered scholars. A Category 1 Academy will operate at two age groups U15 and 16 and support a minimum of 4 Player Development Centres at U12-U16 to underpin the system and support the development of community environments.

Category 2 Academy will operate a U16 Foundation Academy and manage a player’s programme of coaching and games through the introduction of a Playing Tariff, for players identified at U16. Each player will be retained within the with community environment. The professional club will support the community club coaches through establishing a Player Development Centre at U15 and U16.

The Foundation Academy and will be able to access up to 20 players for a programme of development and games within an agreed window outside the community playing season. Players will remain registered with the community club with up-to 5 players per club registered with the professional club and managed through the Player Tariff.

A Category 2 Academy will be required to operate and support a minimum of 4 Player Development Centres at U12-U16.

Category 3 Academy will operate in partnership with an education institute (FE College, school, Specialist Sports College, private school) where the players are registered in the community environment. Category 3 will not have scholars registered and will be required to establish Player Development Centres with community clubs and schools.

Academy U19

Category 1 Academy will recruit up to 30 professional players into the Academy. The Academy programme will be required to operate a minimum a minimum 30 hours with players registered on supporting education programmes. (AASE will be the minimum standard of provision. Or alternative models with appropriate A levels and BTEC provision provide a structure curriculum) Players must receive Minimum Contract Value.

Category 2 Academy will be able to recruit up to 25 professional players into the Academy. The Academy programme will be required to operate part-time over a minimum of 15 hours. Players must receive Minimum Contract value and will be in education training or work.

Category 3 Academy will recruit up to 25 players in partnership with the education partner. A structured curriculum must be provided to support the development of the player. As a late development model, Category 3 Academy should aspire to providing a high quality environment with a minimum of 10-15 hours or contact time.


Community Clubs and Schools can be accredited as a Player Development Centre (PDC).

The accreditation process is open for any club to aspire to meet the standard or can be accredited through a partnership with a professional club.

Player Development Centres will provide high quality coaching, and deliver a curriculum that supports the development of the player that is appropriate to the age and stage of development of the players.

All players will be profiled and monitored to ensure that each player reaches their full potential.

The Player Development Centre will replace the Service Area programme for talent identification and development.

The aims are to address the relative age effect, retain more players, and identify those players ready to progress into the talent development environments.

A critical objective is that the PDC does not remove the player from their current playing and development environment but seeks to improve the coaching and playing programme within the community clubs and schools.

Player Development Centres are initial part of the Rugby League performance pathway to help raise coaching and playing standards nationally for players in the U12s to U16s age groups.

The PDC will provide a high quality performance coaching programme aimed at improving technical and tactical knowledge, core skills and strength and conditioning.

Player Development Centres will be the mechanism through which professional clubs can identify, profile and develop potentially talented players for entry into the Academy environments whilst supporting the development and retention of players in the community environment.

Professional clubs can utilise resources, curriculum and tools from the RFL or develop and implement their own programmes within national guidelines.

Edited by terrywebbisgod, Today, 08:27 AM.
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Mr. Gent updated the rationale behind the Policy Review and where we are at the moment. Mr. Gent further advised that, at the recent Community Board, there was a general agreement of the direction of travel. 
Mr. Gent further noted that the paper will be discussed in the following forthcoming forums; Championships Clubs Forum (2 July), SLE (Europe) Ltd (7 July), RFL Council (23 July) and finally, the RFL Board (31 July). 
It was noted that, if, at the forthcoming SLE (Europe) Ltd meeting, the Policy Review is rejected, then further consultation will take place however, the SLE clubs cannot make a standalone decision, as the Policy Review is a whole game solution. 
Mr. Gent introduced Mr. Rotheram to the meeting, who presented a brief update on the structure and format of the Player Development programme.
Please note that an additional Youth & Junior Management meeting has been scheduled for Saturday 26 July 2014 
** NB: There is also a Community Board meeting this month prior to 31st July **
So we get the Championship Clubs, SLE, Community Board and the RFL Council all to give it the "Thumbs Up", put it to the Y&J Management Group on the 26th July and tell them its a done deal, they all agree and the RFL Board can rubber stamp this one the following Thursday, very efficient!
And people think the RFL really take in to consideration what the Amateur clubs think?
Well the first demonstration of power from the NGB is about to be cast upon us I feel.

Edited by LordCharles, 09 July 2014 - 09:20 AM.

#68 bowes

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Posted 09 July 2014 - 10:17 AM

I guess we're the only sport where the thoughts of the amateur game even occur to people as people would laugh if a village team wanted to stop Manchester United running an academy side. That said scholarship is run in a very damaging matter and a whole game solution is needed, but not a ra ra BARLA did it this way knee jerk approach either.

Fewer academies but them having a full season to not interfere with the community game. Having said that would it be so bad if say Keighley ran a team in Yorkshire Youth? It's how other sports do things.

#69 LordCharles

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Posted 09 July 2014 - 10:24 AM

It's not about stopping academies or scholarships, it's about the RFL and the pro clubs considering the impact and disruption it has when they attempt to run them in conjunction with the community season.

If they had the guts to commit to these players and take them out of the community game altogether, invest in their development and commit the finances and resources to progress these players for a full season, or 2,3 or 4 seasons or more nobody would have any issue I don't think.

The problem is that they don't want to do that and as a result it has and will continue to cause significant issues within the amateur game.

Edited by LordCharles, 09 July 2014 - 10:25 AM.

#70 bowes

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Posted 09 July 2014 - 11:05 AM

That I agree with then.

#71 TaxiEgg

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Posted 09 July 2014 - 11:45 AM

The biggest fall in participation is between 15-18 and this as been recognised by several RFL reviews so its no coincidence  that this is the scholarship / academy ages .

So what solutions are the RFL offering ?????


All our community clubs want our elite players to reach the pinnacle and sign professional and get great pleasure when lads actually achieve this , but its only a small percentage each year that actually sign professional thinks it is something like 3 % .


So does the whole game not need to look at reasons why the success rate from amateur to professional is so low  is the conflict in the playing season not the biggest detriment to the whole game ? I think so and have been saying so for many years through several forums, who runs the game the minority or the majority ?


We are supposed to be one game but until the professional clubs and the performance department look beyond their sizeable egos and recognise that investment into the community clubs is paramount not only to their  success but also to the sustainability of the whole game .


Remove the conflict for our young players and allow them to develop without pressure and divided loyalties there is a solution which can be fpund we  just need to employ less rocket  scientists.,

#72 LordCharles

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Posted 09 July 2014 - 03:56 PM

You have to wonder why the RFL and Pro Clubs do not feel taking 8 x 30 players (240 in total) out of the Community Game exclusively for the schoarship system at U15's/16's is not the best option?


These players could train twice a week at their Scholarship club without any other rugby league distractions, be fully supported by the staff, systems and facilities the pro clubs have and also compete in a standalone competition run by the RFL with the sole aim of developing these young atheles that have been identified as being of the required standard to be part of the talent pathway at that particular stage.


Everybody would know where they stand, ie Pro clubs, Community Clubs, Players, Coaches, RFL etc etc and it would eleviate the chaos and disruption we currently have within the Community game at these age groups.


Or am I missing something?

Edited by LordCharles, 09 July 2014 - 04:02 PM.

#73 bowes

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Posted 09 July 2014 - 05:28 PM

No you're not missing anything that sounds a good model to me. I can see the case for more academies at under 19, at least in development areas.

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