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#221 lionheart

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Posted 28 June 2014 - 09:07 AM

Its always been a M62 league and it always will be this argument as been going on since before the M62 was built although i dont know what the argument was called then, maybe the pre M62 league argument

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Posted 28 June 2014 - 09:47 AM

To Paraphrase Dr Koukash, it suits certain interests in the game to keep it a small-time regional one. 

 

There are people in the game who see a success like Les Catalans being repeated in Carcassone and Toulouse not as an opportunity for the game, but as a threat to their interests.  There are people in the game who are happy to see it contracting. 



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Posted 28 June 2014 - 10:18 AM

To Paraphrase Dr Koukash, it suits certain interests in the game to keep it a small-time regional one. 

 

There are people in the game who see a success like Les Catalans being repeated in Carcassone and Toulouse not as an opportunity for the game, but as a threat to their interests.  There are people in the game who are happy to see it contracting. 

this comment is spot on,



#224 Wellsy4HullFC

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Posted 28 June 2014 - 11:07 AM

Its always been a M62 league and it always will be this argument as been going on since before the M62 was built although i dont know what the argument was called then, maybe the pre M62 league argument

It will? We had 3 clubs outside it the other year.

The balance will change if we keep perusing expansion.
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Posted 28 June 2014 - 01:10 PM

Three clubs the other year one now going backwards

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Posted 28 June 2014 - 01:15 PM

Three clubs the other year one now going backwards

Swings and roundabouts.
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Posted 28 June 2014 - 01:32 PM

120 years of progress

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Posted 28 June 2014 - 01:40 PM

The NRL has the same issue with the Sydney clubs.

 

Too many small minded people to move forward.

 

When the NZ franchise joined the NRL many ' experts ' primarily from self interested Sydney clubs ( many of whom no longer exist as individual entities and are not missed by a world of Rugby league ) raised these same arguments.

 

The NRL is a better product for having moved into another country. It took time , but now they will never look back.....Just because Les Cats aren't going so well at the moment is no reason to wait for a 2md franchise.

 

NZ should have a 2nd Franchise in the NRL comp irrespective of what the Warriros are doing ( my district league from childhood....even I can see a team somewhere else in NZ would benefit the NRL ....whereas so many Warriors fans insist we wait till the Warriors are dominant pffft )

 

Basing an NRL franschise here has seen the number of NZ players in the NRL go from 14 players twenty years ago......to one hundred and twelve NZ players today.....all clubs in the NRL are thankful for their Foreign players.


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#229 lionheart

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Posted 28 June 2014 - 01:50 PM

Has the game in the heartlands of NZ suffered

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Posted 28 June 2014 - 02:06 PM

The NRL has the same issue with the Sydney clubs.

 

Too many small minded people to move forward.

 

The NRL is a better product for having moved into another country. It took time , but now they will never look back.....Just because Les Cats aren't going so well at the moment is no reason to wait for a 2md franchise.

 

Basing an NRL franschise here has seen the number of NZ players in the NRL go from 14 players twenty years ago......to one hundred and twelve NZ players today.....all clubs in the NRL are thankful for their Foreign players.

 

A bigger and better playing pool of talent supporting International RL eh?

 

Interesting, positive and supportive post for the development of SL as an Anglo French comp.



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Posted 28 June 2014 - 02:50 PM

So as per the original question do any treizistes such as Audois and Cliff Spracklen have the inside scoop on Carcassone's bid?

Edited by The Daddy_merged, 28 June 2014 - 02:51 PM.


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Posted 28 June 2014 - 05:06 PM

To Paraphrase Dr Koukash, it suits certain interests in the game to keep it a small-time regional one. 

 

There are people in the game who see a success like Les Catalans being repeated in Carcassone and Toulouse not as an opportunity for the game, but as a threat to their interests.  There are people in the game who are happy to see it contracting. 

 

Yes the SL owners who want an eight team league.



#233 Wellsy4HullFC

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Posted 28 June 2014 - 05:39 PM

120 years of progress


So what you're saying is because we haven't been getting it right, we will never get it right?
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#234 lionheart

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Posted 29 June 2014 - 07:50 AM

So what you're saying is because we haven't been getting it right, we will never get it right?

I think thats obvious

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Posted 29 June 2014 - 08:44 AM

I think thats obvious

It took Hull City 104 years to get to the Premer League, and 110 to get to an FA Cup Final.

I wonder how many people said that would never happen 10 years ago.

Yours are the words of a pessimist. You'll claim you're a realist though.
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Posted 29 June 2014 - 12:30 PM

So as per the original question do any treizistes such as Audois and Cliff Spracklen have the inside scoop on Carcassone's bid?


In two articles appearing in local papers in the last week or so reference has been made to a SL1/2 bid down the line. The first one by the Sports bod employed by the Town Council and then by the new ASC coach Laurent Garnier freshly arrived from Brisbane. He wants the club to be fully professionalised; going to three weekly training sessions from next season. The Fed President Zalduendo is pushing hard for Toulouse and their bid but is now being challenged it seems by the Carcassonne President Dr Guilhem for the Federation position within two years. You get the feeling here that the movers and shakers are seeing cross Channel connection imperative to the games future. An axis Toulouse-Carcassonne- Perpignan-Avignon could be the key.

Edited by audois, 01 July 2014 - 12:09 PM.

si tu (remi casty) devais envoyer un fax au president guasch?
"Un grand bravo pour tout ce que vous avez fait, et merci de m'avoir embarqué dans cette aventure."


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Posted 29 June 2014 - 12:36 PM

In two articles appearing in local papers in the last week or so reference has been made to a SL1/2 bid down the line. The first one by the Sports bod employed by the Town Council and then by the new ASC coach Laurent Garnier freshly arrived from Brisbane. He wants the club to be fully professionalised; going to three weekly training sessions from next season. The Fed President Zaldunendo is pushing hard for Toulouse and their bid but is now being challenged it seems by the Carcassonne President Dr Guilhem for the Federation position within two years. You get the feeling here that the movers and shakers are seeing cross Channel connection imperative to the games future here. An axis Toulouse-Carcassonne- -Perpignan-Avignon could be the key.

 

That would mean an extra three SL teams from the UK would get the boot. Would this be a good thing for the UK game ?



#238 audois

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Posted 29 June 2014 - 01:21 PM

That would mean an extra three SL teams from the UK would get the boot. Would this be a good thing for the UK game ?


In the long run yes - because it would improve the French national team and make a European SL credible.
si tu (remi casty) devais envoyer un fax au president guasch?
"Un grand bravo pour tout ce que vous avez fait, et merci de m'avoir embarqué dans cette aventure."


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"It involves matters much greater than drafting the new rules...the original and existing games have their own powerful appeal to their players and public and have the sentiments which history inspires"
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#239 keighley

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Posted 29 June 2014 - 01:49 PM

In the long run yes - because it would improve the French national team and make a European SL credible.

 

I'd rather the French teams came in without jettisoning any other existing teams and the SL went to conferences and the French teams were part of a southern conference and so the game as a whole would get the best of both worlds. I know the money for this is probably not available but that would be on my wish list.



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Posted 29 June 2014 - 03:51 PM

In two articles appearing in local papers in the last week or so reference has been made to a SL1/2 bid down the line. The first one by the Sports bod employed by the Town Council and then by the new ASC coach Laurent Garnier freshly arrived from Brisbane. He wants the club to be fully professionalised; going to three weekly training sessions from next season. The Fed President Zalduendo is pushing hard for Toulouse and their bid but is now being challenged it seems by the Carcassonne President Dr Guilhem for the Federation position within two years. You get the feeling here that the movers and shakers are seeing cross Channel connection imperative to the games future here. An axis Toulouse-Carcassonne- Perpignan-Avignon could be the key.


Sounds really positive, the more of professional approach by the french clubs the better. My reservations with Carcassone is that it's too near to Perpignan and Toulouse, its population is quite small and the bid doesn't appear to incorporate the wider Aude region including Lezignan, Narbonne & Limoux. Also think the stadium isn't up to SL standard at this point.




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