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#21 l'angelo mysterioso

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Posted 17 July 2014 - 09:41 PM

That's about what I think.  They're a talking shop to keep bored people busy sitting in their weird little City Hall.  The most important job of the mayor really is as head PR guy for the city and in that you'd have to be a serious curmudgeon to even think for a second that Boris isn't doing a great job.  At the time of the Beijing Olympics when the flag was handed over to Boris I was working with a large company that had a huge Chinese presence, the locals couldn't stop talking about that huge blonde bear of a mayor.  Quite probably the most distinctive city mayor in the world, go to most countries and they've at least heard of him unlike most forgettable mayors.

but that wasn't the idea was it? The template was to be the hands on get things done of say the Mayor of New York.


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#22 Wolford6

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Posted 18 July 2014 - 12:35 AM

so your sister was privy to the decision making of Ken Livingstone? Do you have any other evidence apart from this, obviously credible first hand information? Just to be on the safe side kind of thing.

 

'Two years ago former mayor Ken Livingstone was accused by the RAC Foundation and the Tories of rephasing lights to slow down traffic and force people out of their cars and onto other forms of transport.

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Traffic signal adjustments had already begun, he said, focusing on the capital's "most important signals". Timings at about 150 sets of traffic lights had been altered since July, giving "significant extra capacity".

 

http://www.dailymail...e-cut-jams.html


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#23 Griff9of13

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Posted 18 July 2014 - 06:53 AM

'Two years ago former mayor Ken Livingstone was accused by the RAC Foundation and the Tories of rephasing lights to slow down traffic and force people out of their cars and onto other forms of transport.
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Traffic signal adjustments had already begun, he said, focusing on the capital's "most important signals". Timings at about 150 sets of traffic lights had been altered since July, giving "significant extra capacity".

http://www.dailymail...e-cut-jams.html

Now you're cheesed off, aren't you.


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#24 Wolford6

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Posted 18 July 2014 - 07:06 AM

Since when has the Wail counted as evidence? <_<

 

The re-timing details were announced by Transport for London.


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#25 l'angelo mysterioso

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Posted 18 July 2014 - 07:58 AM

'Two years ago former mayor Ken Livingstone was accused by the RAC Foundation and the Tories of rephasing lights to slow down traffic and force people out of their cars and onto other forms of transport.

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Traffic signal adjustments had already begun, he said, focusing on the capital's "most important signals". Timings at about 150 sets of traffic lights had been altered since July, giving "significant extra capacity".

 

http://www.dailymail...e-cut-jams.html

as it says at the top this was an allegation by a motoring organisation.

even then it says nothing about the motives behind it that you and your relative ascribe to it.

 

And anyway this thread is about the current mayor Boris Johnson, although to be fair, Johnson does have an involvement in that he changed the phasing of the lights. Is this his legacy?

 

Why not start a thread about the achievements of Livingston during tenure as mayor.


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#26 l'angelo mysterioso

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Posted 18 July 2014 - 08:00 AM

The re-timing details were announced by Transport for London.

does it say anything about Livingston's motivation in the announcement?


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#27 gingerjon

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Posted 18 July 2014 - 10:14 AM

'Two years ago former mayor Ken Livingstone was accused by the RAC Foundation and the Tories of rephasing lights to slow down traffic and force people out of their cars and onto other forms of transport.

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Traffic signal adjustments had already begun, he said, focusing on the capital's "most important signals". Timings at about 150 sets of traffic lights had been altered since July, giving "significant extra capacity".

 

http://www.dailymail...e-cut-jams.html

 

And the result of Boris Johnson's desire to get TfL to 'smooth traffic flow' has been an increase in pedestrian injuries as there is no longer enough time for most people to safely cross the road.

 

Still, as long as those black cabs have nothing to moan to the RAC Foundation about ...


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Posted 18 July 2014 - 11:19 AM

That's about what I think.  They're a talking shop to keep bored people busy sitting in their weird little City Hall.  The most important job of the mayor really is as head PR guy for the city and in that you'd have to be a serious curmudgeon to even think for a second that Boris isn't doing a great job.  At the time of the Beijing Olympics when the flag was handed over to Boris I was working with a large company that had a huge Chinese presence, the locals couldn't stop talking about that huge blonde bear of a mayor.  Quite probably the most distinctive city mayor in the world, go to most countries and they've at least heard of him unlike most forgettable mayors.

 

Honestly never thought about it like that but you are right.  However, he and his team are so lousy at the governing thing that I can't forgive him because he's a PR master.

 

 

I'll go along with that.

 

One of the issues, for me anyway, is that both the Mayor and the GLA have very little to do. So much of their potential power currently sits with either national government or local councils. These guys seem to sit somewhere in between and don't really have the power to affect big issues (mainly Westminster), nor the day to day involvement in services (councils).

 

The Mayor ends up spending a lot of his time attending events that would probably be taking place anyway, or inventing ways to look busy (eg Livingstone with his ludicrous tram) while the GLA is nothing more than a talking shop.

 

I'd be interested in taking a look at a genuine City Council, with powers over education, transport, health, etc and then 60-80 local boards that get a set amount to spend per capita on local needs.

 

On another board, I suggested busting the current situation in Greater London with a genuine city council.  Our councils are full of little empire builders who don't see the genuine big picture.  Does Croydon need to be "London's third city" or is it the case that for years, their council have been trying to raise the importance of their biggest settlement at the expense of the rest of their borough.  A small green gets built upon on the edge of a borough and the view of a council is it doesn't mean much but it may be a key park for people just over the boundary.  Here in Bromley, the view is about getting everything in the middle of the borough, ignoring that the vast majority of the population are in the north of the borough and that the majority of that are in the north-west corner.


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Posted 18 July 2014 - 11:29 AM

And the result of Boris Johnson's desire to get TfL to 'smooth traffic flow' has been an increase in pedestrian injuries as there is no longer enough time for most people to safely cross the road.

 

Still, as long as those black cabs have nothing to moan to the RAC Foundation about ...

 

 

[l'Angelo Mode] Have you got any documentary evidence of this or is it just the opinion of you and your sister?

Even if you have got evidence, I don't think it counts and I'll just ask another question.

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#30 l'angelo mysterioso

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Posted 18 July 2014 - 11:45 AM

[l'Angelo Mode] Have you got any documentary evidence of this or is it just the opinion of you and your sister?
Even if you have got evidence, I don't think it counts and I'll just ask another question.
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#31 gingerjon

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Posted 18 July 2014 - 12:16 PM

[l'Angelo Mode] Have you got any documentary evidence of this or is it just the opinion of you and your sister?

Even if you have got evidence, I don't think it counts and I'll just ask another question.

[l'Angelo Mode]

 

;)

 

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#32 l'angelo mysterioso

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Posted 18 July 2014 - 12:20 PM

My sister's opinion is that she'll shoot you if you disagree.

anyway

 

 

so far we've got the changing of the sequence of some traffic like signals. Hell of an achievement.

 

Wolford's sister says they were dead dead bad in the first place were these signals  because Ken Livingstone wanted to annoy people. This must be true.


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#33 gingerjon

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Posted 18 July 2014 - 12:54 PM

anyway

 

 

so far we've got the changing of the sequence of some traffic like signals. Hell of an achievement.

 

Wolford's sister says they were dead dead bad in the first place were these signals  because Ken Livingstone wanted to annoy people. This must be true.

 

Boris has also introduced countdown clocks so you know you have a whole 20 seconds to get a cross four lanes of traffic outside Charing Cross station.


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Posted 18 July 2014 - 12:56 PM

To be fair though, BoJo like Ken, knows the job isn't about what you do but what you're perceived to do and making a noise.  It's why he keeps talking about building London's next airport in a bit of the country over which he actually has no control at all, why he's forever linking the bits of London he can sell to big businesses who want to put their name on things, and so on.

 

Ken's main 'win', from memory, was bus fares and improved routes.  He might have made a lot of noise about other things but what he can actually 'do' is limited.


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Posted 18 July 2014 - 01:18 PM

To be fair though, BoJo like Ken, knows the job isn't about what you do but what you're perceived to do and making a noise.  It's why he keeps talking about building London's next airport in a bit of the country over which he actually has no control at all, why he's forever linking the bits of London he can sell to big businesses who want to put their name on things, and so on.

 

Ken's main 'win', from memory, was bus fares and improved routes.  He might have made a lot of noise about other things but what he can actually 'do' is limited.

Ken's greatest achievement as far as I'm concerned is the Oyster card setup.  A fairly flawless project done on time and budget at a time when it seemed that no big public sector project could be done without doubling cost for half quality.


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Posted 18 July 2014 - 02:22 PM

Anyone else watching those Crossrail construction docs on BBC2?

 

They are really good.


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#37 Griff9of13

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Posted 18 July 2014 - 02:28 PM

Anyone else watching those Crossrail construction docs on BBC2?

They are really good.


At £15bn they ought to be. :rolleyes:
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Posted 18 July 2014 - 04:25 PM

Anyone else watching those Crossrail construction docs on BBC2?

They are really good.

Is this one of boris' achievements?
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Posted 18 July 2014 - 04:46 PM

Surely the Crossrail project was signed off years before the ascent of Boris.


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Posted 18 July 2014 - 07:00 PM

Surely the Crossrail project was signed off years before the ascent of Boris.

Defending Boris twice in one thread here!  When the Coalition came into power in 2010 they looked to kill off all big-budget things that weren't created by them or their "friends", Crossrail was a definite target and Boris certainly made few friends in Westminster with his defence of it.  There were some big old rumours about meetings without coffee between Boris and that odious Pickles bloke.


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