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#41 JohnM

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Posted 18 July 2014 - 09:19 PM

The Crossrail project actually started around 1992 within London Underground. This it has only taken 22 years to get to its present state.



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Posted 19 July 2014 - 02:12 AM

I am against elected Mayor's anyway


but you and I weve been through that and this is not our fate.
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#43 Wolford6

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Posted 19 July 2014 - 10:23 AM

I'm not. What Bradford has needed for the past forty years is a leader (the Bradford Mayorship is a ceremonial position) with drive, integrity and no qualms about refusing to pander to a social grouping or political party.


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Posted 19 July 2014 - 10:26 AM

I'm not. What Bradford has needed for the past forty years is a leader (the Bradford Mayorship is a ceremonial position) with drive, integrity and no qualms about refusing to pander to a social grouping or political party.

An elected representative is far more likely to pander to a specific group or political party than a faceless unelected department.  After all, the elected representative's main task is to not annoy those who will re-elect them and keep them in a job.


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Posted 19 July 2014 - 10:48 AM

Within the last five years we have had elected representatives sent to prison for vote-rigging. One person with a previous conviction for electoral fraud stood in the recent council elections! In the year of the last general election we had one candidate who stood for two different parties in the two elections.

 

At the moment, we have unrest about certain developers ignoring their planning consent restrictions and then just submitting retrospective applications that go through on the nod.

 

You only have to see the current furore over the school systems to see that the council has willfully mismanaged and/or ignored its responsibilities ... that indictment applies to councillors and officers alike.


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#46 l'angelo mysterioso

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Posted 19 July 2014 - 10:53 AM

Don't mayors have to get re elected?
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#47 Bedford Roughyed

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Posted 19 July 2014 - 11:33 AM

We have had a directly elected Mayor in Bedford for a few years now.  Seems to work ok.  Mayor appoints various councillors to his team (not based on rosette colour) and they just get on with it (mainly).  I hate party politics at the council level, it just causes grief when there should be teamwork and consensus.  

 

First 7 years were an independent (elected twice then unfortunately died).

 

Since then we have had a Lib Dem (elected twice). 


With the best, thats a good bit of PR, though I would say the Bedford team, theres, like, you know, 13 blokes who can get together at the weekend to have a game together, which doesnt point to expansion of the game. Point, yeah go on!

#48 Wolford6

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Posted 19 July 2014 - 12:31 PM

Don't mayors have to get re elected?

 

 

The Leader of Bradford Council is elected by the ruling party. Currently, it's the Labour Party. Whether the electorate would directly elect a cockney bloke who wears a big earring in each ear and no record as a managing executive or businessman is a moot point.

 

The Mayor of Bradford Council is decided by  buggins turn. If you stay a councillor for long enough, eventually it will be your turn.

 

In the Labour-advocated mayoral election, you vote directly for the person who will direct the council depts and will accept responsibilty for its policies and actions.


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#49 gingerjon

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Posted 19 July 2014 - 02:16 PM

An elected representative is far more likely to pander to a specific group or political party than a faceless unelected department.  After all, the elected representative's main task is to not annoy those who will re-elect them and keep them in a job.

 

Ken 'pandered' to inner London, Boris to zones 4-6 (and a sprinkling of west London).  Both managed to be elected on pitiful turnouts.

 

That's the danger of giving so much power to one person - the election comes down to personality, most of the population switch off long before polling day, and only a narrow range of interests get represented.


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#50 l'angelo mysterioso

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Posted 19 July 2014 - 06:55 PM

The Leader of Bradford Council is elected by the ruling party. Currently, it's the Labour Party. Whether the electorate would directly elect a cockney bloke who wears a big earring in each ear and no record as a managing executive or businessman is a moot point.

The Mayor of Bradford Council is decided by buggins turn. If you stay a councillor for long enough, eventually it will be your turn.



In the Labour-advocated mayoral election, you vote directly for the person who will direct the council depts and will accept responsibilty for its policies and actions.


I think you misunderstand
This thread is about Boris Johnson
Mr Johnson is the mayor of London and is elected by the citizens of London
London has an elected mayor. This was what I was referring to

What the political machinations of the city of Bradford have to do with anything I really couldn't say
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#51 l'angelo mysterioso

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Posted 19 July 2014 - 06:58 PM

Ken 'pandered' to inner London, Boris to zones 4-6 (and a sprinkling of west London). Both managed to be elected on pitiful turnouts.

That's the danger of giving so much power to one person - the election comes down to personality, most of the population switch off long before polling day, and only a narrow range of interests get represented.


But Johnson doesn't seem have done a great deal with that power to benefit Londoners. So far we've got re phasing of some traffic lights, which is kind of the point
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Posted 19 July 2014 - 11:13 PM

In terms of impact on day-to-day life in London, I'd say the following policies have had the biggest impact: 

 

Livingstone

Introducing the Oyster Card

Introducing the Congestion Charge

The Overground orbital railway

Scrapping the Routemaster / introducing the Bendy Bus

 

Both

Hire bikes - Livingstone initiated, Johnson got the credit

 

Johnson

Scrapping the western extension of the congestion charge

Scrapping the Bendy Bus / reintroducing the Routemaster

Painting some bike lanes blue

Building the cable car from nowhere to nowhere

 

 

Livingstone's impact on Londoners' life was considerable.  But Johnson's cable car trumps everything.



#53 Trojan

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Posted 20 July 2014 - 04:36 PM

 

 

The Mayor of Bradford Council is decided by  buggins turn. If you stay a councillor for long enough, eventually it will be your turn.

 

 

Except when Eric Pickles decides to renege on the deal to get control of the council


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Posted 20 July 2014 - 10:13 PM

In terms of impact on day-to-day life in London, I'd say the following policies have had the biggest impact: 

 

Livingstone

Introducing the Oyster Card

Introducing the Congestion Charge

The Overground orbital railway

Scrapping the Routemaster / introducing the Bendy Bus

 

Both

Hire bikes - Livingstone initiated, Johnson got the credit

 

Johnson

Scrapping the western extension of the congestion charge

Scrapping the Bendy Bus / reintroducing the Routemaster

Painting some bike lanes blue

Building the cable car from nowhere to nowhere

 

 

Livingstone's impact on Londoners' life was considerable.  But Johnson's cable car trumps everything.

Introduction of the OysterCard would have taken place with or without Livingstone. The extensions of the Oystercard network would have taken place with or without Johnson. Same remarks can be be made of the Overground Orbital Network. Livingstone introduced the congestion charge, Johnson introduced a ban on alcohol on public transport. In truth both of those ideas were probably driven by TFL internally .Both did stuff related to cycling neither did anywhere near enough that was required.

 

Both Livingstone and Johnson have done very little directly to impact the lives of people living in London. Rather they are personalities taking credit for something driven by others. Neither has had much impact on general London Life for it's residents.



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Posted 21 July 2014 - 07:19 AM

I haven't been to central London since before the congestion charge.  In 2002 we got a taxi from central London to Kings Cross and the roads were gridlocked.  Has it made a difference, and if it wasn't Livingstone's idea who's was it?  If an idea is a success it's easy to say it wasn't Livingstone (or Boris or whoever) but if it's a failure there's no doubt who'll carry the can with the electors.


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Posted 21 July 2014 - 08:00 AM

the bus system in London is pretty good and..is free...free I tell you...FREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!



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Posted 21 July 2014 - 08:48 AM

Introduction of the OysterCard would have taken place with or without Livingstone. The extensions of the Oystercard network would have taken place with or without Johnson. Same remarks can be be made of the Overground Orbital Network. Livingstone introduced the congestion charge, Johnson introduced a ban on alcohol on public transport. In truth both of those ideas were probably driven by TFL internally .Both did stuff related to cycling neither did anywhere near enough that was required.

 

Both Livingstone and Johnson have done very little directly to impact the lives of people living in London. Rather they are personalities taking credit for something driven by others. Neither has had much impact on general London Life for it's residents.

The huge difference Livingston made was that as project sponsor he was nearly perfect.  Most politicians and senior civil servants can't stop meddling, this is why most government projects fail in one way or another.  They tinker, make small changes, make huge changes, want new functionality, change project staff, change budgets almost every week, get bored and refuse to make decisions, and so on.  Livingston was not shy to use the big stick to keep the project scope identical, refusing to allow anyone to make changes to the scope unless there was a clear and substantial fault in the scope.  For a politician to keep his hands off his new toy that long and allow it to deploy properly makes Livingston a very, very rare individual who deserves praise.


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Posted 21 July 2014 - 08:54 AM

the bus system in London is pretty good and..is free...free I tell you...FREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!

 

You've obviously not had the "pleasure" of riding the new Routemaster AKA The Boris Bus. Heard lots of stories of people collapsing from heat exhaustion due to the wonderful combination of useless air con, no opening windows and poor design that makes the inside like a greenhouse even in midwinter. <_<


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Posted 21 July 2014 - 10:52 AM

You've obviously not had the "pleasure" of riding the new Routemaster AKA The Boris Bus. Heard lots of stories of people collapsing from heat exhaustion due to the wonderful combination of useless air con, no opening windows and poor design that makes the inside like a greenhouse even in midwinter. <_<

Johnson bemoaned the demise of the original route master despite its emissions and fuel inefficiency, it's hostility to people with disabilities and its maintenance costs
So this is what he wanted instead
I suppose you could call it the Boris bud

Edited by l'angelo mysterioso, 21 July 2014 - 10:52 AM.

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Posted 21 July 2014 - 03:46 PM

Ken's main 'win', from memory, was bus fares and improved routes.  He might have made a lot of noise about other things but what he can actually 'do' is limited.

 

Ken's greatest achievement as far as I'm concerned is the Oyster card setup.  A fairly flawless project done on time and budget at a time when it seemed that no big public sector project could be done without doubling cost for half quality.

 

He doubled our bus fares in the suburbs so he could subsidised those in the centre of London.  He wasn't robbing the rich to fund the poor either, it was robbing those who didn't vote for him to give to those who did.


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