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#1 jannerboyuk

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Posted 17 July 2014 - 06:14 AM

Didn't realise that premier sports had the four nations! Pretty handy given that I've just signed up :) http://www.premiersp...ague/4-nations/
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Posted 17 July 2014 - 09:12 AM

Strange, I thought the BBC had those. Or is it shared?

 

I guess BBC may only have the England matches though


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Posted 17 July 2014 - 09:31 AM

correct


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#4 Futtocks

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Posted 17 July 2014 - 09:43 AM

From http://www.rugbyleagueontv.co.uk/

 

BBC

Four Nations Tournaments - England Matches LIVE (2014-2016)

Premier Sports

Four Nations Tournaments - All Matches LIVE (2014-2016)

 

On past form, the BBC may well show highlights of the non-England matches.


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Posted 17 July 2014 - 10:03 AM

From http://www.rugbyleagueontv.co.uk/

 

BBC

Four Nations Tournaments - England Matches LIVE (2014-2016)

Premier Sports

Four Nations Tournaments - All Matches LIVE (2014-2016)

 

On past form, the BBC may well show highlights of the non-England matches.

 

So if England reach the final :) then only matches on PS not on BBC will be Aus v NZ, Aus v Sam and NZ v Sam. Result.



#6 Dave T

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Posted 17 July 2014 - 11:17 AM

So the BBC are not going to bother covering the Final if England are not in it? jeez



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Posted 17 July 2014 - 11:33 AM

Mistake imo. It should be shared between Sky Sports and BBC. 



#8 Dave T

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Posted 17 July 2014 - 11:35 AM

Mistake imo. It should be shared between Sky Sports and BBC. 

Ah well, I suppose we should look forward to the blanket coverage on BBC News, plenty of adverts between their shows, features on Breakfast shows etc.



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Posted 17 July 2014 - 11:42 AM

Mistake imo. It should be shared between Sky Sports and BBC.


It is all well and good stating that but didn't SKY want exclusivity on the World Cup et al or nothing et al?

It is fundamentally important that the BBC show ALL England RL internationals now and in the future if we are to grow the sport in this country in terms of popularity and commercially. It is why I am very worried that the RFL have signed the game's life away with the new SKY TV contract which states internationals are part of the package. I haven't seen any detail on what it entails, but if it includes end of season England internationals, Wood, Rimmer et al need to be shot...

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#10 Dave T

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Posted 17 July 2014 - 11:52 AM

It is all well and good stating that but didn't SKY want exclusivity on the World Cup et al or nothing et al?

It is fundamentally important that the BBC show ALL England RL internationals now and in the future if we are to grow the sport in this country in terms of popularity and commercially. It is why I am very worried that the RFL have signed the game's life away with the new SKY TV contract which states internationals are part of the package. I haven't seen any detail on what it entails, but if it includes end of season England internationals, Wood, Rimmer et al need to be shot...

I don't massively disagree, but I don't think we should be giving all England games to the BBC unless they are actually committed to tournaments.

 

All this deal is doing is building up the England team, but bth the figures will be low as they will be tucked away on a Saturday morning.

 

Sky have happily shared international rights before, the issue since the World Cup was that they wanted every England game on the BBC meaning Sky get none of the pie there. 

 

Sky have been a very good partner for RL and International RL, are far bigger than Premier can ever be, and tbh I'd rather have seen us playing more and more games so that both the BBC and Sky can have a share of the pie.

 

RU and Football are happy to have their national teams on both channels.



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Posted 17 July 2014 - 12:28 PM

Just noticed Aus v England is a 5am kick-off our time!

 

Think I'll get a 2 month subscription to Premier Sports starting after we come back off holiday in September. the 2 month sub will cover NRL Play-off and Grand Final and the Four Nations. Then I can watch the World Cup games I taped which won't show now that I don't have a sub



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Posted 17 July 2014 - 02:15 PM

Will Vossy be commentating for Premier Sports or will we be getting the biased view of Warren, Gould etc?

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Posted 17 July 2014 - 03:05 PM

It is all well and good stating that but didn't SKY want exclusivity on the World Cup et al or nothing et al?

It is fundamentally important that the BBC show ALL England RL internationals now and in the future if we are to grow the sport in this country in terms of popularity and commercially. It is why I am very worried that the RFL have signed the game's life away with the new SKY TV contract which states internationals are part of the package. I haven't seen any detail on what it entails, but if it includes end of season England internationals, Wood, Rimmer et al need to be shot...

 

BBC have the England internationals up to and including the 2017 World Cup. 


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Posted 17 July 2014 - 03:06 PM

Ah well, I suppose we should look forward to the blanket coverage on BBC News, plenty of adverts between their shows, features on Breakfast shows etc.

 

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Posted 17 July 2014 - 08:19 PM

BBC have the England internationals up to and including the 2017 World Cup.

 

I know - it is post-2017 I am worried about... Do you have any inside information of what the new SKY TV detail entails? 

I don't massively disagree, but I don't think we should be giving all England games to the BBC unless they are actually committed to tournaments.


Whilst I appreciate timings will be very early when games are down under, exposing people to the game is fundamentally vital and the best tool for that is the BBC. Yes it needs worthwhile exposure and I don't mind it being shared with SKY (see 2011 Wembley Four Nations) but England are the game's best tool to broaden the appeal of the game in the wider public conscience and boost its commercial value. I think the viewing figures in the World Cup proved it.

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Posted 17 July 2014 - 10:54 PM

Will Vossy be commentating for Premier Sports or will we be getting the biased view of Warren, Gould etc?


I reckon BBC coverage for the England games and Nine coverage for the other games. They won't send their own team over when they can just steal the feed IMO.

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Posted 18 July 2014 - 07:17 AM

S4C will be covering all the Welsh games.

 

;) :tongue:


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Posted 18 July 2014 - 10:55 AM

 

I know - it is post-2017 I am worried about... Do you have any inside information of what the new SKY TV detail entails? 


Whilst I appreciate timings will be very early when games are down under, exposing people to the game is fundamentally vital and the best tool for that is the BBC. Yes it needs worthwhile exposure and I don't mind it being shared with SKY (see 2011 Wembley Four Nations) but England are the game's best tool to broaden the appeal of the game in the wider public conscience and boost its commercial value. I think the viewing figures in the World Cup proved it.

They did, but just looking at some analysis I did, which admittedly is based on some big assumptions suggests that we could have given Sky exclusive rights to a couple of England games in the WC and the additional audience numbers that we pick up from the other games that they show over Premier would cover much of the loss from the couple of England games.

 

This is based on the average Premier Sports game getting 10k and an assumption that an average Sky WC game would have got 150k (excluding England games). 

 

I think the amount of coverage hours would have been massive compared to what we did get - as we would have had far more coverage on Sky Sports News, Sky News etc. especially around some of the Pacific Island stories and their extraordinary games.

Obviously we don't know what happened with negotiations but if we did position it as all England's games must be on terrestrial TV then I think we shot ourselves in the foot, as I think a partnership with Sky where they also get some England games (which they have done time after time) we would get additional income and coverage.



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Posted 18 July 2014 - 10:57 AM

S4C will be covering all the Welsh games.

 

;) :tongue:

 

Appreciate the joke but it does annoy me that S4C used to show a lot more rugby league than it does now.


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Posted 18 July 2014 - 12:47 PM

I reckon BBC coverage for the England games and Nine coverage for the other games. They won't send their own team over when they can just steal the feed IMO.


Do Channel 9 have sole broadcast rights for Australia and New Zealand? If Sky NZ are involved we may get Vossy and Hallingan once more.

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