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#1 l'angelo mysterioso

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Posted 18 July 2014 - 08:09 AM

http://road.cc/conte...effield-cyclist

 

 

 

why is this?

This woman is a murderer.

 

There seems to be a different set of values for people who drive vehicles


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#2 shrek

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Posted 18 July 2014 - 08:46 AM

A terribly sad story.

 

Even if the maximum sentence of 3 years had been dished it that to me seems incredibly lenient so to have got less than that strikes me as shocking.

 

It staggers me as a driver the risks people take with regard to people like cyclists and horse riders in order to shave at best 20 or 30 seconds off there journey time, clearly the deterrents are not there at the moment.

 

Whilst i have no issue with speed cameras myself, I can't help but think the reliance of these above an actual physical police presence on a lot of A and B roads leads drivers into some sort of false safety net that they can drive how they like so long as they don't speed in front of the camera.


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Posted 18 July 2014 - 09:01 AM

I was talking to a young apprentice with us about his upcoming driving test, I recommended to him that he does a motorbike license at some point as there's nothing like earning a bike license to teach you just how invisible you are on a road.

 

I had a car behind me today sounding his horn at a roundabout because he couldn't see why I'd stopped at the normally fast roundabout, a bike was coming round it and the road layout meant that unless you were the first car in the queue you didn't see it, if there's no queue then most cars don't even slow down when the bike rider would be on his own despite having right of way.


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#4 Futtocks

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Posted 18 July 2014 - 09:04 AM

http://road.cc/conte...effield-cyclist

 

 

 

why is this?

This woman is a murderer.

 

There seems to be a different set of values for people who drive vehicles

Calling it murder when it wasn't is the kind of emotive language that doesn't really encourage rational debate.

 

But yes, I agree that the sentence is far too light.


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#5 Derwent

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Posted 18 July 2014 - 09:10 AM

http://road.cc/conte...effield-cyclist

 

 

 

why is this?

This woman is a murderer.

 

There seems to be a different set of values for people who drive vehicles

 

Have you linked to the wrong case because the driver in the one you linked to is a young man not a woman ?

 

Also, while I understand and agree with your general point about light sentences, it's clearly not murder under the legal definition - I doubt the driver got in their car and set off with the intent to kill someone.



#6 l'angelo mysterioso

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Posted 18 July 2014 - 10:27 AM

Calling it murder when it wasn't is the kind of emotive language that doesn't really encourage rational debate.

 

But yes, I agree that the sentence is far too light.

a person gets drunk, I can't believe that people aren't aware of the lethal consequences of drink driving, and gets behind the wheel of a car, directly because of her drunkenness she kills an innocent person.

 

 

Whether that is 'murder' or not she should be doing life.


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#7 Severus

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Posted 18 July 2014 - 10:29 AM

a person gets drunk, I can't believe that people aren't aware of the lethal consequences of drink driving, and gets behind the wheel of a car, directly because of her drunkenness she kills an innocent person.

 

 

Whether that is 'murder' or not she should be doing life.

 

To repeat Derwent's post I think you are talking about a different case to the one you posted the link to.


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#8 l'angelo mysterioso

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Posted 18 July 2014 - 10:29 AM

Have you linked to the wrong case because the driver in the one you linked to is a young man not a woman ?

 

Also, while I understand and agree with your general point about light sentences, it's clearly not murder under the legal definition - I doubt the driver got in their car and set off with the intent to kill someone.

it was definitely a woman driving. Maybe I've selected this latest case.

 

I agree with you about intent. But knowledge aforethought would seem to be an element. She should be doing life.


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#9 l'angelo mysterioso

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Posted 18 July 2014 - 10:32 AM

my apologies

 

http://www.gazetteli...r-death-7444909

 

born Teside lived sheffield


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Posted 18 July 2014 - 10:35 AM

my apologies

 

http://www.gazetteli...r-death-7444909

 

born Teside lived sheffield

 

Devastating.

 

But, y'know, it'll be 6 years before she gets her licence back and we all know that it is impossible to drive in this country without your licence.


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#11 l'angelo mysterioso

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Posted 18 July 2014 - 10:43 AM

Devastating.

 

But, y'know, it'll be 6 years before she gets her licence back and we all know that it is impossible to drive in this country without your licence.

my heart strings are well and truly plucked

she is the victim in this ;)


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#12 gingerjon

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Posted 18 July 2014 - 10:55 AM

my heart strings are well and truly plucked

she is the victim in this ;)

 

Bet she had a really nasty hangover too.

 

People, obviously, don't go out with the intention of killing so 'murder' is far too emotive a word.  I'm not even convinced that prison is *necessarily* the best option for every case like this.  But there has to be more and more effective policing of the roads.  Speed cameras are not a solution and I can't remember the last time I actually saw a traffic cop doing anything remotely useful.


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#13 l'angelo mysterioso

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Posted 18 July 2014 - 11:17 AM

People who drink and drive are a danger to society. Lock them up
The police aren't to blame for crime unless they commit it of course
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#14 gingerjon

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Posted 18 July 2014 - 12:17 PM

People who drink and drive are a danger to society. Lock them up
The police aren't to blame for crime unless they commit it of course

 

No, but they have a role in ensuring that spaces are safe, feel safe and are treated with respect.


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#15 l'angelo mysterioso

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Posted 18 July 2014 - 12:26 PM

No, but they have a role in ensuring that spaces are safe, feel safe and are treated with respect.

of course

 

but ultimately it's the criminal who is responsible for committing a crime.


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#16 JohnM

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Posted 18 July 2014 - 05:00 PM

CTC has analysed data  showing that only 80% of motorists convicted of killing another road user have their licences taken away, compared to 94% ten years ago. Despite bans being mandatory for all who cause death by driving offences, we have found 20% of those convicted don't have their licences withdrawn. 

 

http://www.ctc.org.uk/news/1-5-motorists-banned-causing-death


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Posted 18 July 2014 - 05:59 PM

I'd say it's manslaughter rather than murder but should be life off the road and a tougher sentence

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Posted 19 July 2014 - 09:30 AM

Murder or manslaughter, four years for killing someone whilst driving under the influence is ridiculous



#19 gingerjon

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Posted 19 July 2014 - 02:30 PM

This is a little close to justice (not far from me at all, incidentally, the road is frequently closed because of collisions) - another genuinely shocking case.

 

This is the overall picture


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#20 l'angelo mysterioso

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Posted 19 July 2014 - 04:33 PM

This is a little close to justice (not far from me at all, incidentally, the road is frequently closed because of collisions) - another genuinely shocking case.

 

This is the overall picture

a lttle I agree

 

don't forget that it isn't just cyclists these people kill and maim.


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