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#21 l'angelo mysterioso

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Posted 19 July 2014 - 09:50 PM

Hull FC. Pearson knew sod all about rugby when he bought the club.

So he's a fan then
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Posted 19 July 2014 - 11:34 PM

They offered me HKR, but then this old geezer with a beard and a pointly hat gave me a good price on these magic beans.... ;)

 

If FC don't improve a lot next season, they must be favourites for first ever membership in the middle 8. Maybe Pearson should have bought HKR instead. They look a better bet and don't have to share their stadium with a Premier league team with all the problems that brought to Wigan.







 



#23 roughyedspud

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Posted 20 July 2014 - 05:52 AM

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Same thing are the people on the boards of these clubs not fans?


are you being thick for the sake of it?

this thread is about whether fans,hundreds or thousands of fans,as a collective group..ie a supporters trust,can run a club....its pretty simple

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#24 JohnM

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Posted 20 July 2014 - 05:56 AM

If FC don't improve a lot next season, they must be favourites for first ever membership in the middle 8. Maybe Pearson should have bought HKR instead. They look a better bet and don't have to share their stadium with a Premier league team with all the problems that brought to Wigan.


Aye. Wigan are really struggling at the DW.

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Posted 20 July 2014 - 07:28 AM

are you being thick for the sake of it?

this thread is about whether fans,hundreds or thousands of fans,as a collective group..ie a supporters trust,can run a club....its pretty simple

And the people I have mentioned amongst many others are fans
Please try to curb the crass personal comments
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Posted 20 July 2014 - 08:47 AM

stop being thick then...

 

 

if you can't get your head around the difference between a handful of wealthy businessmen running a club and hundreds/thousands of "fans" running a club in the form of a supporters trust.....then don't comment

 

 

the original poster was fairly clear in what he meant by "could fans run a club"....you are the only one thats doesn't grasp it


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#27 l'angelo mysterioso

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Posted 20 July 2014 - 09:51 AM

stop being thick then...


if you can't get your head around the difference between a handful of wealthy businessmen running a club and hundreds/thousands of "fans" running a club in the form of a supporters trust.....then don't comment


the original poster was fairly clear in what he meant by "could fans run a club"....you are the only one thats doesn't grasp it

The people who run clubs and put millions of pounds into them and spend hours of their time working for them are fans.
Are you saying that ken Davy isn't a fan?

I am a season ticket holder at a club run by a supporters trust. You are being condescending as well as abusive

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Posted 20 July 2014 - 09:58 AM

The people who run clubs and put millions of pounds into them and spend hours of their time working for them are fans.

I am a season ticket holder at a club run by a supporters trust. You are being condescending as well as abusive

 

good for them...but the original poster is'nt on about "those fans"

 

and as a season ticket holder of a club run by a supporters trust then you know exactly what the original poster is going on about and you're being deliberately obtuse..


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Posted 20 July 2014 - 10:48 AM

North Wales Crusaders have a different model to HIST and Rochdale.

 

Our club was formed after the demise of the Super League club Crusaders RL withdrew their franchise bid and went bust.  The fans started the "Save the Cru" campaign which led to our club being formed. True we have a businessman as out CEO and a Board of Directors but the club is run on "not for profit" lines and any money generated is put back into the club.

 

We have approx. 600 season ticket holders. For the last 2 years those of us who can have been Bondholders - contributing an additional revenue stream to the club.  This season we have tried a different scheme called Squadbuider. Those who are members contribute an additional £5.99 a month during the playing season. For that we get access to a matchday bar, a video (with commentary) of each home game, we are due a jacket or hoodie, we have update meetings with the board , and a reduction on our ticket for the end of season dinner. 

 

Please note - this is not the NWC Supporters Club - that is a different body which has been set up to support the club from the terraces. Membership is £10 per season - benefits include a gift (a thermal mug this season), and £2 reduction per away game  travel on the Supporters Club coach. The Supporters Club has donated funds to players getting national honours and to various charities, including rugby league charities.

 

I hope this is helpful. Good luck with developing a team wherever you are setting up. I'm sure the RFL will be a good source of information - as is Supporters Direct - they were both really helpful when North Wales Crusaders were starting up.



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Posted 20 July 2014 - 11:19 AM

North Wales Crusaders have a different model to HIST and Rochdale.

Our club was formed after the demise of the Super League club Crusaders RL withdrew their franchise bid and went bust. The fans started the "Save the Cru" campaign which led to our club being formed. True we have a businessman as out CEO and a Board of Directors but the club is run on "not for profit" lines and any money generated is put back into the club.

We have approx. 600 season ticket holders. For the last 2 years those of us who can have been Bondholders - contributing an additional revenue stream to the club. This season we have tried a different scheme called Squadbuider. Those who are members contribute an additional £5.99 a month during the playing season. For that we get access to a matchday bar, a video (with commentary) of each home game, we are due a jacket or hoodie, we have update meetings with the board , and a reduction on our ticket for the end of season dinner.

Please note - this is not the NWC Supporters Club - that is a different body which has been set up to support the club from the terraces. Membership is £10 per season - benefits include a gift (a thermal mug this season), and £2 reduction per away game travel on the Supporters Club coach. The Supporters Club has donated funds to players getting national honours and to various charities, including rugby league charities.

I hope this is helpful. Good luck with developing a team wherever you are setting up. I'm sure the RFL will be a good source of information - as is Supporters Direct - they were both really helpful when North Wales Crusaders were starting up.

Brilliant
Let's hope it works out
Clubs like yours are needed
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#31 keighley

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Posted 20 July 2014 - 03:40 PM

Aye. Wigan are really struggling at the DW.

 

Well Wigan Athletic are no longer a Premier league club. When they were Wigan had to play at least one game at another venue and had to rearrange several others because the premier league would not allow rugby games to be played at a premier league venue with a certain time limit of a Premier League game being scheduled. Hull KR have no such problems.



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Posted 20 July 2014 - 04:07 PM

Well Wigan Athletic are no longer a Premier league club. When they were Wigan had to play at least one game at another venue and had to rearrange several others because the premier league would not allow rugby games to be played at a premier league venue with a certain time limit of a Premier League game being scheduled. Hull KR have no such problems.

any chance of you saying what this has got to do with the thread?


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#33 JohnM

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Posted 20 July 2014 - 04:10 PM

Well Wigan Athletic are no longer a Premier league club. When they were Wigan had to play at least one game at another venue and had to rearrange several others because the premier league would not allow rugby games to be played at a premier league venue with a certain time limit of a Premier League game being scheduled. Hull KR have no such problems.

 

Hull KR have no such problems.

 

​Really? I reckon they'd swap places with Wigan any day, especially after today.  In any case, the Wigan situation you describe is hardly problematical, as you well know. 



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Posted 20 July 2014 - 04:12 PM

any chance of you saying what this has got to do with the thread?

 

Sorry, L'Ange. Its my fault for responding to the assertion made in his post # 22



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Posted 20 July 2014 - 04:16 PM

any chance of you saying what this has got to do with the thread?

 

It relates back directly to your suggestion that Pearson was a fan and runs Hull FC and these problems with sharing with a Premier League soccer club are part of his problems and it was suggested he may have been better off investing in some other club. It was you who went off on the tangent of owners being fans rather than supporters trust governing bodies for clubs which was the original thrust of the thread.

 

I should not have gone off on that tangent with you. I sincerely apologise. Are you happy now ?



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Posted 20 July 2014 - 04:18 PM

Hull KR have no such problems.

 

​Really? I reckon they'd swap places with Wigan any day, especially after today.  In any case, the Wigan situation you describe is hardly problematical, as you well know. 

 

It is not a problem now. It was when they were dictated to on the use of their shared stadium by another sports governing body as well YOU know.



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Posted 20 July 2014 - 04:22 PM

It relates back directly to your suggestion that Pearson was a fan and runs Hull FC and these problems with sharing with a Premier League soccer club are part of his problems and it was suggested he may have been better off investing in some other club. It was you who went off on the tangent of owners being fans rather than supporters trust governing bodies for clubs which was the original thrust of the thread.

 

I should not have gone off on that tangent with you. I sincerely apologise. Are you happy now ?

well is Perason a fan or isn't he? Does he help run a club or doesn't he?

The rest is irrelevant.

 

Within the structure prescribed by law and the RFL there are several ways of running a club, 'supporters' trusts' and so on. My point is that however you look at it, whatever the structure, all clubs are run by fans.


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Posted 20 July 2014 - 05:03 PM

well is Perason a fan or isn't he? Does he help run a club or doesn't he?

The rest is irrelevant.

 

Within the structure prescribed by law and the RFL there are several ways of running a club, 'supporters' trusts' and so on. My point is that however you look at it, whatever the structure, all clubs are run by fans.

 

 

well is Perason a fan or isn't he? Does he help run a club or doesn't he?

The rest is irrelevant.

 

Within the structure prescribed by law and the RFL there are several ways of running a club, 'supporters' trusts' and so on. My point is that however you look at it, whatever the structure, all clubs are run by fans.

 

When I meet Caddick in a pub I'll tell him I'm a Leeds fan and want a say in how the club is run and then duck.



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Posted 20 July 2014 - 05:10 PM

When I meet Caddick in a pub I'll tell him I'm a Leeds fan and want a say in how the club is run and then duck.

good for you.

 

 

Caddick of course is a fan as well


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Posted 20 July 2014 - 05:46 PM

It is not a problem now. It was when they were dictated to on the use of their shared stadium by another sports governing body as well YOU know.


It was categorically not a problem. You wanted it to be, of course, so you must have been terribly disappointed when the rugby league world did note rise up in open rebellion....and you know what, the world still turned....

Ps. Wigan is run by fans of the club on a very socialist principle. Those fans with the most money pay the most money, those fans with the least, pay the least.




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