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#1 rhodders

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Posted 03 August 2014 - 11:25 AM

Qualification details for 2017 RLWC announced

http://rlif.com/rugb...tails-for--rlwc



#2 Wellsy4HullFC

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Posted 03 August 2014 - 11:32 AM

Why have those seven nations received automatic qualification?

This is the only thing that annoys me with the WC. They just make up automatic qualification processes as they go along and have no logic to it! The thing is, I can see exactly the attempted logic of how they've come to it!

"We'll have all the quarter finalists as automatic qualifiers. That makes sense."
"Oh, but USA made the quarters. How will we sort qualifiers over the Atlantic? Plus, they're a bit unstable at the minute."
"Good point. Well we'll just have those seven then, we'll mention that they were quarter finalists, but we won't say that that's why they qualified so no one brings up the USA situation!"
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#3 Wellsy4HullFC

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Posted 03 August 2014 - 11:35 AM

What would be logical would be for them to announce how automatic qualification applies for the 2021 RLWC so teams know if they've achieved it beforehand. In fact, it would be good as a motivational tool.

Too logical though!
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Posted 03 August 2014 - 11:47 AM

 i see problems with this...what if wales win this years european cup there for gaining entry to the 2016 4nations.....when are they supposed to qualify for the world cup?? especially if theres a GB tour in 2015 which could possibly see any welsh "stars" touring with GB instead of helping wales qualify for the world cup..
 
 
hopefully the world cup qualification process will kill any idea that GB can tour...its impractical & pointless....have england tour instead

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#5 Futtocks

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Posted 03 August 2014 - 11:49 AM

To be honest, automatic selection for those quarter-finalists who have kept the same administration as last time makes sense. 

 

The Canadian performances of recent years might really challenge the USA, so the USARL (if officially recognised) have to prove themselves as a new entity on the international scene.


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#6 Dean

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Posted 03 August 2014 - 11:50 AM

Can't see how Scotland get a place ahead of Wales, or how Samoa get a place ahead of PNG.

The message seems to be that you get rewarded for having good heritage players but not for having pro or semi-pro clubs and a national infrastructure. Just seems wrong.

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Posted 03 August 2014 - 11:51 AM

i really like how canada are doing things...


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#8 Pottsy

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Posted 03 August 2014 - 11:58 AM

Totally agree with Wellsy. Seven qualifiers is just plain odd.

Top four, I could understand. Top seven???

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Posted 03 August 2014 - 12:12 PM

No, it does make sense. All the quarter finalists aside from the USA, whose admin has big question marks over them. Incidentally, I was listening to Five Live and they mentioned that Scotland were among the automatic qualifiers for the RL World Cup in the middle of their Commonwealth Games last day coverage. Fantastic publicity at a time when the ears of the nation will be on their home games.

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Posted 03 August 2014 - 12:18 PM

To be honest, automatic selection for those quarter-finalists who have kept the same administration as last time makes sense.

The Canadian performances of recent years might really challenge the USA, so the USARL (if officially recognised) have to prove themselves as a new entity on the international scene.

I'd agree with this if they came out and said it! They really need to address the USA situation. This would have been a perfect time to say "you've got to sort your problems out, this is a consequence for the mess you're in."

But if we are to have any credibility, automatic qualification needs to be arranged before we know the teams, not after. "These teams in the quarters are alright, so we'll say it's because of that!"
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#11 Wellsy4HullFC

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Posted 03 August 2014 - 12:21 PM

Personally, I'd have the top three as automatic qualifiers (so a third place play off), and that third place play off also determining who enters the Tri Nations the following year.

Everyone else has to qualify through the next few years. Prove your worth. Actually bring some meaning to internationals rather than glorified friendlies.
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#12 keighley

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Posted 03 August 2014 - 12:37 PM

Why have those seven nations received automatic qualification?

This is the only thing that annoys me with the WC. They just make up automatic qualification processes as they go along and have no logic to it! The thing is, I can see exactly the attempted logic of how they've come to it!

"We'll have all the quarter finalists as automatic qualifiers. That makes sense."
"Oh, but USA made the quarters. How will we sort qualifiers over the Atlantic? Plus, they're a bit unstable at the minute."
"Good point. Well we'll just have those seven then, we'll mention that they were quarter finalists, but we won't say that that's why they qualified so no one brings up the USA situation!"

 

Didn't they earlier announce that participating nations had to be members of the RLIF and Italy and USA weren,t. I think the USRL is currently applying to replace the AMNRL.

The US, Canada and Jamaica are all making progress in RL. It would be crazy to deny any of them the opportunity to qualify and, as you say, the US should be automatically in because thy made the quarters.

 

The fact that the press release did not mention the US at all, never mind a reason for their exclusion is very muddled. Do they think the general public will not pick up on  this.?



#13 Wellsy4HullFC

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Posted 03 August 2014 - 12:39 PM

Didn't they earlier announce that participating nations had to be members of the RLIF and Italy and USA weren,t. I think the USRL is currently applying to replace the AMNRL.
The US, Canada and Jamaica are all making progress in RL. It would be crazy to deny any of them the opportunity to qualify and, as you say, the US should be automatically in because thy made the quarters.

The fact that the press release did not mention the US at all, never mind a reason for their exclusion is very muddled. Do they think the general public will not pick up on this.?

Exactly. It's not exactly hard to make it credible. They just haven't addressed the issues hoping that people won't realise. Why not just be upfront about it? People will understand and react accordingly. Pretending it's not happening just gives people an excuse not to act upon it.
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Posted 03 August 2014 - 12:40 PM

Can't see how Scotland get a place ahead of Wales, or how Samoa get a place ahead of PNG.

The message seems to be that you get rewarded for having good heritage players but not for having pro or semi-pro clubs and a national infrastructure. Just seems wrong.

 

Both made the quarter finals. Wales and PNG did not.



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Posted 03 August 2014 - 12:51 PM

The fact that the press release did not mention the US at all, never mind a reason for their exclusion is very muddled. Do they think the general public will not pick up on  this.?

The general public probably won't pick up on it because the general public doesn't know much about RL in general and the USA situation in particular.


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#16 Wellsy4HullFC

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Posted 03 August 2014 - 12:55 PM

Can't see how Scotland get a place ahead of Wales, or how Samoa get a place ahead of PNG.

The message seems to be that you get rewarded for having good heritage players but not for having pro or semi-pro clubs and a national infrastructure. Just seems wrong.

The message seems to be more that you get rewarded on the field and not behind the scenes.

Your reward for behind the scenes should be what transpires on the field.

If it's not about what happens on the field, then what's the point of playing?
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Posted 03 August 2014 - 01:09 PM

 

 

All four regions will reveal their qualification programmes by October 2014 and the process will still be open to Affiliate members who gain Full status in the interim.

 

So that means qualification is only open to full members of the RLIF? I'm assuming the RLIF are planning on elevating a few teams to full member status before this all starts, because as it stands the Americas spot won't take too long to sort out. The Middle East-Africa spot should be a shoe in for Lebanon. 



#18 Wellsy4HullFC

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Posted 03 August 2014 - 02:03 PM

So that means qualification is only open to full members of the RLIF? I'm assuming the RLIF are planning on elevating a few teams to full member status before this all starts, because as it stands the Americas spot won't take too long to sort out. The Middle East-Africa spot should be a shoe in for Lebanon.

Out of interest, what are the four regions?
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Posted 03 August 2014 - 02:15 PM

The general public probably won't pick up on it because the general public doesn't know much about RL in general and the USA situation in particular.

 

You might be right. The US is a better bet than Samoa though who have little to no domestic leagues and are all heritage players as are most of the US squad but have a growing club scene. Samoa in, the US out or even Scotland. It doesn't gell. The US could be in for being quarter finalists and Jamaica and Canada could play off for an Americas place and the winner could play off for against the asia/Africa winner which won't have too many entries either.



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Posted 03 August 2014 - 02:20 PM

Out of interest, what are the four regions?

 

Europe, Asia Pacific, Americas, Middle East-Africa. Going on current full members, the Americas region would be just Jamaica.