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#361 Marauder

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Posted 13 March 2015 - 11:11 PM

The clubs still here since 1975-76 in Lancashire (excluding Barrow, Oldham and Rochdale)

Pilkington Recs
Wigan St Patricks
Crosfields
Widnes St Maries
Halton Simms Cross
Leigh Miners Rangers
Latchford Albion
Blackbrook
Eccleston Lions
Woolston Rovers
Folly Lane
Rylands

Not many outside of Warrington and St Helens

Don't know when the St Helens and Widnes teams joined but St Patricks started open age (they are older as a youth club) in the 60s and Leigh Miners Welfare a little later. Many of the Warrington clubs are old. Sadly Bold Miners would have been on that list too

Teams used to change names as they moved their headquarters and many of us who have followed the amateur game has it unfolded can put new names to old one without looking in a book for a family tree..


Carlsberg don't do Soldiers, but if they did, they would probably be Brits.



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Posted 13 March 2015 - 11:13 PM

Let's rephrase the question. Would you enter Myton into a winter league that only had 10 fixtures if it were the right playing standard and pull out of the NCL to do so?

Hull Premier division used to run with less than 10 teams years ago (Look in your book or phone a friend)


Carlsberg don't do Soldiers, but if they did, they would probably be Brits.



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Posted 13 March 2015 - 11:36 PM

Wigan St Cuthberts won the Nwc Div 3 in 75 76 and have played in every season since pulling out of Ncl last Season but continuing in the Nw men's league now in Div 1 Nw mens league will celebrate 40 years of Open Age Rugby next year Don't think Ecclestone should be on your list Bowes

Eccleston Lions were originally United Glass Blowers

 

Sorry my mistake, I've rechecked and it was the 1974-75 season I was thinking of

 

Division 1 1/ Pilkingtons Recs 2/ Widnes St. Maries 3/ Halton Simms Cross 4/ Wigan St. Patricks 5/ Crosfields 6/ Leigh Miners Welfare 7/ Latchford Albion 8/ Blackbrook 9/ United Glass Blowers (UGB) 10/ Langworthy.
Division 2 1/ Woolston Rovers 2/ St. Helens B 3/ Tetleys 4/ Folly Lane 5/ Kirkby Rangers 6/ Richmonds Gas 7/ Thames Board Mills (TBM) 8/ Salford B
Division 3 1/ Bold Miners 2/ Salford Juniors 3/ Widnes B 4/ Rylands 5/ Leigh Miners Welfare A 6/ Widnes RNA 7/ ICI Thornton 8/ Blackbrook A 9/ Pilkingtons Recs A 10/ Fiat 11/ Church Street Labour Club.



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Posted 13 March 2015 - 11:38 PM

Bowes, Bentley aren't switching to summer, what is happening if you'll listen, Bentley GC have played out of Wheatley Hills RUFC for the past few years, Wheatley have players in their Ranks like Johnny Woodcock, Tom Buckenham and a few more who have played at pro level, Bentley are simply going to give these and a few other players a summer jolly.

They're entering two summer teams (they only field one in winter) and one of the sides is in division 1 which isn't exactly the level for a jolly



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Posted 14 March 2015 - 10:17 AM

Hull Premier division used to run with less than 10 teams years ago (Look in your book or phone a friend)

9 this season of which 2 pulled out early.

I think the Yorkshire (but not North West) part of the RLC was becoming proper divisions by the end, the east division the last season and some of the premier divisions in years before were up to 8 teams which isn't unheard of in winter. I still think clubs were put off from switching by the lack of a strong set up, until this year I think that still was a factor in Yorkshire to a lesser degree.

I don't think 10 games in a row May to July of which 7 or 8 will go ahead can fairly be compared to say a 14 game league plus four cups spread over seven months, even if more teams and games is preferable.

Edited by bowes, 14 March 2015 - 01:40 PM.


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Posted 15 March 2015 - 01:11 PM

Bowes, Bentley aren't switching to summer, what is happening if you'll listen, Bentley GC have played out of Wheatley Hills RUFC for the past few years, Wheatley have players in their Ranks like Johnny Woodcock, Tom Buckenham and a few more who have played at pro level, Bentley are simply going to give these and a few other players a summer jolly.

 

I can assure you Bentley arnt joining for a '' Summer Jolly '' as you put it. The side will be made up by the majority of the current winter players and the club as a whole is looking forward to the transition across.



#367 brassey

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Posted 15 March 2015 - 01:29 PM

dont know where you get your info from bowes most of it cr ap



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Posted 15 March 2015 - 02:17 PM

dont know where you get your info from bowes most of it cr ap

No it isn't. Not going to respond further to that as not fair on the other posters here to have a pointless slanging match

Edited by bowes, 15 March 2015 - 02:36 PM.


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Posted 05 April 2015 - 09:54 AM

This season got even more bizarre. After cancelling games so the Championship 1 division could split west and east the league then decided to re merge the divisions albeit with an even bigger backlog. Bentley are gone now (to summer) so ten teams remain



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Posted 05 April 2015 - 05:26 PM

This season got even more bizarre. After cancelling games so the Championship 1 division could split west and east the league then decided to re merge the divisions albeit with an even bigger backlog. Bentley are gone now (to summer) so ten teams remain

The clubs argued to reform the division as for some their season would end immediately.

As some fixtures would roll into June, due to a possible lack of officials due to summer rugby commitments, clubs may finish playing at the end of April.

Any fixtures remaining would be classed as 30-0



#371 bowes

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Posted 06 April 2015 - 10:11 AM

Hopefully next season will be more settled, though a lot of clubs will need to move up to the premier division



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Posted 07 April 2015 - 04:55 PM

Everyone knows the problems the Pennine League has had this season, if the NCL had not poached half of the Premier teams it would still have been a good league but which other leagues in the country could they have got the teams from? The Hull clubs would not want the travel and the Cumbria teams are the same, Any NWC teams entering in the bottom NCL division would be in Yorkshire every other week. Pennine teams are neutral for the travel and was good enough to enter. Next season will be a good season as teams are now interested in the Premier Division and all teams will have settled and decided where they want to play. I think myself a few more will drop out of the NCL (not saying the teams that have just gone in) and a few will return from the Yorkshire mens league. The Amateur game in itself as I keep saying is struggling, Youth players are not interested and dwindling fast, Open age players now have work commitments that years ago most players had the weekend off or just worked the Saturday morning but now Saturday and Sunday is a work day as well as the pressure of not getting injured.


Edited by luckymutz, 07 April 2015 - 04:57 PM.


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Posted 07 April 2015 - 09:17 PM

At the moment only 6 under 18s teams playing consistently in Yorkshire, lots of under 18s playing Yorkshire Mens, Pennine, NCL and Hull it is not sustainable no wonder the OA is struggling, nearly all the summer teams players will have played winter, then summer, then winter its a merry go round with the same players

But do the RFL listen, NO!!

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Posted 07 April 2015 - 09:31 PM

I agree they need to work out a way to get all players to pick a season and stick with it and of getting U18s back into that age group. Unfortunately lots of clubs would die or have to merge in the required shake up



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Posted 07 April 2015 - 10:29 PM

Bowes, its not the season reducing the number of Under 18's playing its the pure lack of aspiration after 16 and the sooner the Pro Game sees it the sooner we can get the game back on track.

 

But again that argument will fall on deaf ears.



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Posted 08 April 2015 - 08:45 AM

Bowes, its not the season reducing the number of Under 18's playing its the pure lack of aspiration after 16 and the sooner the Pro Game sees it the sooner we can get the game back on track.

But again that argument will fall on deaf ears.

I completely agree with all that. I watching the midlands U16 league fold once the academy got set up plus Sport England funding went. But I also think players playing both seasons is an issue. I'd prefer summer for all but at the very least I'd like things to settle down

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Posted 08 April 2015 - 01:08 PM

Posted by someone from Bristol when will the RFL ever listen??

Certainly the decision by the RFL to allow the Warriors in - despite our warnings that it would have damaging effects on ourselves and potentially other clubs lower down the pyramid - has not helped. There are some other issues, too, such as losing access to junior players we've developed (once they're into the SGS RL Academy/All Golds pathway, they tend not to return, with a few exceptions, and many are being lost to the game completely). We told the RFL of the issues in the region and how we would be effected, and they ignored us… now it's all coming true. The important thing is to get through the season and rebuild.

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Posted 12 April 2015 - 05:14 PM

Newsome Panthers and St Joseph's are gone leaving Championship 1 at 8 teams




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