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#21 nadera78

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Posted 15 August 2014 - 09:03 AM

Balachandran's another one of Niu's buddies. Like his 'dear leader' he is also full of BS.
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Posted 15 August 2014 - 09:21 AM

Schedule a game Vs Canada at the end of the season and see how many of that team show up.. I reckon a few might be missing. What a ridiculous request to make, and one the International board has no control over.


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#23 Wellsy4HullFC

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Posted 15 August 2014 - 09:24 AM

It just shows how much if a sham the AMNRL was.
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Posted 15 August 2014 - 09:37 AM

David Niu deserves recognition for getting the game off the ground in the USA. The way he went about running what he founded may have, in the end, been counterproductive and divisive, but he got a domestic competition started and we should never forget that.

David Niu deserves recognition as one of the founders of the game in the USA.  He has received recognition as the founder and still is concerned with getting more.

 

The AmNRL announced their all time top XIII straight after the split.  One of the players in that had retired from playing and was a ref.  He mainly did AmNRL, but as soon as he did a USARL game, he was replaced from the All-TIme XIII.  Now the man who rubbed a player out of the all time XIII is complaing he is not being given recognition.

 

What we have to accept is that many RL organisations in new countries are founded because of a huge ego.  In the short term, it is the most effective way as it becomes hugely personal to the founder.  It is only when it is a success that it can become a problem.


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Posted 15 August 2014 - 01:03 PM

AMNRL slam RLIF about American split

The AMNRL has written an angrily worded letter to the RLIF, clarifying its decision to fold and allow the split within American rugby league to heal.

There has been a long-running split within the American game, which revolved mainly around the way in which the international team, the USA Tomahawks, were run.

The USARL is the governing body which was set up in opposition to the AMNRL in 2011. The split between the two groups became acute following last year's Rugby League World Cup in the UK.

The decision of the AMNRL to select 'heritage' players to the exclusion of many domestcially based players angered the USARL.

Now the AMNRL has written to RLIF chairman Nigel Wood offering its point of view on the matter, as well as confirming its decision to dissolve itself.

Tellingly, it makes a pointed comment about the lack of support it received from the RLIF.

The letter, signed by AMNRL chairman Robert Balachandran reads:

"The AMNRL have, as we have said many times, no wish for the division of the game in the USA to continue. We have tried many times to find some common ground with the USARL but unfortunately to no avail.

"The AMNRL received little support from the RLIF in our attempts to unify the game domestically while the USARL maintained an active campaign to undermine the AMNRL in the media, particularly social media.

"The AMNRL last season selected the national team on a “best available eligible” player basis as a goodwill unification gesture and agreed to the creation of an independent commission this year (that the USARL was part of then reneged).

"The AMNRL put up a model to the RLIF this year which included the creation of a new National Governing Body and the granting of a licence to the USARL to conduct the domestic competition.

"The AMNRL model would have seen it continuing to fund and conduct the successful international and overseas development programs and work with the USARL on grass root development.

"The difficulty in the USA is, we see no indication from the USARL that it has any desire to be part of a shared undertaking moving forward. If we were to succeed with an application no doubt the USARL would still seek to conduct a competition away from us leaving us to either injunct them from playing or leave this gaping wound open and festering.

"In the end, the game and importantly the players will suffer.

"The six AMNRL Clubs (which arguably housed about 70% of the best domestic players in the USA) didn’t play competitively this season.

"They would have had the RLIF supported us."

The letter goes on to bemoan the decision to compel the USA Tomahawks to qualify for the next World Cup, rather than awarding them an automatic spot.

"We are proud of all we have achieved from the day David Niu grabbed some mates and started to pass a ball around to now being a top-10 ranked nation," it adds.

"We don’t want to see the game held back as it is now because of the differences of the two groups.

"We want to see the game grow domestically and for the USA Tomahawks to remain a force on the world stage.

"We don’t want to see petty jealousy impact on what we have achieved.

"We don’t want to see what just occurred in the Canadian match, where a very inexperienced Tomahawks team were cannon-fodder, be repeated.

"We played that game, a 52-14 loss, despite major reservations because of its financial importance to the Canadian Rugby League.

"If we were selfish we would have cancelled.

"If the RLIF valued our work and recognised the job we have done for the world game with the USA Tomahawks it would have supported our request in May for the AMNRL to restructure into the not for profit Rugby League Federation of America Limited with its “best governance” model supported by advisory boards comprised of good rugby league people.

"As we detailed in the previous submission to you this model would have ensured the best from both groups:

-The “whole of game” focussed AMNRL; and
-The “club focussed” USARL

"If the RLIF respected us it would have also given us the pre-qualification for the World Cup we earned in 2013 instead of finding a way to take that honour from us as it did.

"This was our one shot at finally getting a valuable sponsor in the USA but our leads from our World Cup success weren’t interested without a guarantee of television at the next World Cup.

"As we obviously don’t have the confidence of the RLIF moving forward we think it best if we do not lodge an application.

"Through us declining to apply, the split is healed."

The AMNRL do make certain requests about how the game continues to be administered in the United States.

These are:

"We ask that the RLIF at least encourages the USARL to repay this act of best faith by acting fairly in the future and not abandoning the successful international program.

"These are six requests we feel are fair for us deciding not to apply:

"1 All "AMNRL" clubs will be afforded the opportunity to enter teams into the domestic competition in 2015 provided they meet the competition guidelines;

"2 The "AMNRL" clubs applications will be treated fairly and no differently to any USARL club application;

"3 The USA Tomahawks program will be continued including the annual test to be played against Samoa in Hawaii. This test can be continue to funded and organised by the Hawaiian Rugby League and is tentatively set for June 20 next year;

"4 The USA Tomahawks will be selected on a "best available eligible player" basis. In particular the "heritage" players will not be specifically excluded from selection as has been suggested by the USARL.

"5 Joseph Paulo will remain captain of the USA Tomahawks (if fit and permitted by his club to play for the USA) and in his absence Michael Garvey (if fit and form warrants selection); 

"6 Matthew Elliott will be given first offer to coach the USA Tomahawks in any matches including qualifiers for the 2017 RLWC."

The letter concludes with a statement about how sad the situation has become:

"This is a sad day for those of us who have given 18 years of our lives to get the game to where it is today but one group has to step away for the good of the game."

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#26 nadera78

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Posted 15 August 2014 - 01:54 PM

Wow! I honestly cannot remember ever reading a statement containing so many lies, half truths and distortions. It sums up everything that is wrong with the AMNRL and people like Niu, Balachandran and Howard.
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Posted 15 August 2014 - 03:47 PM

AMNRL slam RLIF about American split

The AMNRL has written an angrily worded letter to the RLIF, clarifying its decision to fold and allow the split within American rugby league to heal.

There has been a long-running split within the American game, which revolved mainly around the way in which the international team, the USA Tomahawks, were run.

The USARL is the governing body which was set up in opposition to the AMNRL in 2011. The split between the two groups became acute following last year's Rugby League World Cup in the UK.

The decision of the AMNRL to select 'heritage' players to the exclusion of many domestcially based players angered the USARL.

Now the AMNRL has written to RLIF chairman Nigel Wood offering its point of view on the matter, as well as confirming its decision to dissolve itself.

Tellingly, it makes a pointed comment about the lack of support it received from the RLIF.

The letter, signed by AMNRL chairman Robert Balachandran reads:

"The AMNRL have, as we have said many times, no wish for the division of the game in the USA to continue. We have tried many times to find some common ground with the USARL but unfortunately to no avail.

"The AMNRL received little support from the RLIF in our attempts to unify the game domestically while the USARL maintained an active campaign to undermine the AMNRL in the media, particularly social media.

"The AMNRL last season selected the national team on a “best available eligible” player basis as a goodwill unification gesture and agreed to the creation of an independent commission this year (that the USARL was part of then reneged).

"The AMNRL put up a model to the RLIF this year which included the creation of a new National Governing Body and the granting of a licence to the USARL to conduct the domestic competition.

"The AMNRL model would have seen it continuing to fund and conduct the successful international and overseas development programs and work with the USARL on grass root development.

"The difficulty in the USA is, we see no indication from the USARL that it has any desire to be part of a shared undertaking moving forward. If we were to succeed with an application no doubt the USARL would still seek to conduct a competition away from us leaving us to either injunct them from playing or leave this gaping wound open and festering.

"In the end, the game and importantly the players will suffer.

"The six AMNRL Clubs (which arguably housed about 70% of the best domestic players in the USA) didn’t play competitively this season.

"They would have had the RLIF supported us."

The letter goes on to bemoan the decision to compel the USA Tomahawks to qualify for the next World Cup, rather than awarding them an automatic spot.

"We are proud of all we have achieved from the day David Niu grabbed some mates and started to pass a ball around to now being a top-10 ranked nation," it adds.

"We don’t want to see the game held back as it is now because of the differences of the two groups.

"We want to see the game grow domestically and for the USA Tomahawks to remain a force on the world stage.

"We don’t want to see petty jealousy impact on what we have achieved.

"We don’t want to see what just occurred in the Canadian match, where a very inexperienced Tomahawks team were cannon-fodder, be repeated.

"We played that game, a 52-14 loss, despite major reservations because of its financial importance to the Canadian Rugby League.

"If we were selfish we would have cancelled.

"If the RLIF valued our work and recognised the job we have done for the world game with the USA Tomahawks it would have supported our request in May for the AMNRL to restructure into the not for profit Rugby League Federation of America Limited with its “best governance” model supported by advisory boards comprised of good rugby league people.

"As we detailed in the previous submission to you this model would have ensured the best from both groups:

-The “whole of game” focussed AMNRL; and
-The “club focussed” USARL

"If the RLIF respected us it would have also given us the pre-qualification for the World Cup we earned in 2013 instead of finding a way to take that honour from us as it did.

"This was our one shot at finally getting a valuable sponsor in the USA but our leads from our World Cup success weren’t interested without a guarantee of television at the next World Cup.

"As we obviously don’t have the confidence of the RLIF moving forward we think it best if we do not lodge an application.

"Through us declining to apply, the split is healed."

The AMNRL do make certain requests about how the game continues to be administered in the United States.

These are:

"We ask that the RLIF at least encourages the USARL to repay this act of best faith by acting fairly in the future and not abandoning the successful international program.

"These are six requests we feel are fair for us deciding not to apply:

"1 All "AMNRL" clubs will be afforded the opportunity to enter teams into the domestic competition in 2015 provided they meet the competition guidelines;

"2 The "AMNRL" clubs applications will be treated fairly and no differently to any USARL club application;

"3 The USA Tomahawks program will be continued including the annual test to be played against Samoa in Hawaii. This test can be continue to funded and organised by the Hawaiian Rugby League and is tentatively set for June 20 next year;

"4 The USA Tomahawks will be selected on a "best available eligible player" basis. In particular the "heritage" players will not be specifically excluded from selection as has been suggested by the USARL.

"5 Joseph Paulo will remain captain of the USA Tomahawks (if fit and permitted by his club to play for the USA) and in his absence Michael Garvey (if fit and form warrants selection); 

"6 Matthew Elliott will be given first offer to coach the USA Tomahawks in any matches including qualifiers for the 2017 RLWC."

The letter concludes with a statement about how sad the situation has become:

"This is a sad day for those of us who have given 18 years of our lives to get the game to where it is today but one group has to step away for the good of the game."

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Pile of ######.  There are many good selfless people in the AmNRL, but the value of the word of their administration has long been worthless.

 

They would not be awarded the status.  It has been stripped of them.  Once it has been stripped and it is clear you will not get it back, not applying in a futile fashion is not selfless and they can express an opinion, but not make requests any more than you or I could.

 

Many have given 18 years of their lives selflessly.  If you were a rugby league fanatic in New York, you were working for the AmNRL and probably did not care about the politics.

 

They have had many shots with sponsors and let them down time and time again.  There have been fifteen years of idle promises being quietly not mentioned again.

 

The last compromise was a Super League of four USARL clubs and four AmNRL clubs, essentially excluding better USARL clubs to include as many AmNRL clubs.  That was not enough and they stuck with separation and fell apart.

 

If they felt they could truthfully justify themselves, they would not write this dishonest nonsense.


Edited by Bob8, 15 August 2014 - 03:52 PM.

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Posted 15 August 2014 - 04:14 PM

A more patient refutation of the (hopefully) drunken ramblings from the AmNRL.

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#29 Evil Homer

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Posted 15 August 2014 - 05:51 PM

That article is dishonest and hypocritical to the point where it's actually humorous to read. A fitting way for surely the most backwards organization in sporting history to bow out.



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Posted 16 August 2014 - 11:08 AM

Now for Italy!

Meanwhile in the uk we see many on the community game forum that want to ressurect our own 2 governing body nightmare :(
Rugby League is a sport that desperately needs to expand its geographical supporter base and its player base. This imperative means that all other requirements are secondary until this is done.

All power in the game should be with governing bodies, especially international governing bodies.

Without these actions we will remain a minor sport internationally and nationally.

#31 John Rhino

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Posted 16 August 2014 - 07:35 PM

The official RLIF statement:

 

USA RUGBY LEAGUE GOVERNANCE POSTION CLARIFIED

The RLIF has put in place a process to solve the dispute over governance in the USA.

The Federation invited all interested parties to formally express their interest by applying to become a constituent member representing the country.

The closing date for receipt was set for today (August 13th). Only one has been received and that will be presented to the RLIF Board at its next meeting on 2nd September with a decision taken after due consideration.

RLIF chairman Nigel Wood commented: “The RLIF is committed to taking the sport forward in the Americas and to capitalise on the gains being made there, especially with the next World Cup in 2017, and its qualification process, in mind.”

“There is a clear willingness on the ground in the USA to take the sport forward and enhance its presence in the nation’s passionate sporting consciousness, in an all-inclusive manner.”

“We will be using all of our energy and resource to bring together all people and organisations who share this vision as far as we possibly can.”

Wood added: “The RLIF would like to formally acknowledge the invaluable contributions made towards to cause of rugby league in the USA by the founding fathers such as David Niu. Their tireless efforts should not be underestimated and a fitting legacy would be a thriving domestic competition and a consistently competitive national side. We hope that both are within reach.”

 

As we now know the AMNRL has decided to fold but Nigel Wood did give plenty of credit to David Niu.


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