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#41 Saintslass

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Posted 26 August 2014 - 07:09 PM

evangelical christianity has huge wealth coupled with massive political and social power. There are some pretty nasty beliefs behind the 'niceness' you mention. Would you like a list-I don't want to bring up god hates fags again-there's loads to go at. You spent two years in the States: what did you learn about other religions, beliefs, cu;tires and races in the country? 

What do say, jews, muslims, sikhs, agnostics, atheists, jedi knights, buddhists, hindus, voodoo worshipers and so on 'very naturally' attribute 'all their good actions to?' Noywithstanding evangelica;l christians regard the death penalty as a 'good action'.

 

All you are showing here is your ignorance.  Christians are in conflict about every single subject that isn't categorically stated in the Bible.  You will find Christians in favour of the death penalty (in the US, here, everywhere) and those against it.  You will find some in favour of abortion and some against it.  You will find some very welcoming to gay people and some not so welcoming.  And all points in between.  Christians rarely agree on anything and that is illustrated by the number of denominations around the world which collectively make up the Christian church.  Roman Catholics believe their priests should not be married; pretty much every other Christian denomination believes they should be!  Pentecostal Christians believe they can talk in the tongues of angels; pretty much every other Christian denomination doesn't!  The ignorance of people on here just towards one faith never mind all the others you list is quite astonishing but not remotely surprising and in some instances - especially the hysterical references to cults and sects - it's quite funny.  (Clearly those who use the terms have no idea what they actually mean)

 

 

 

Religion is based on ignorance and fear.

It explains the unexplainable, it assuages fear.

Which one is it then?



#42 Saintslass

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Posted 26 August 2014 - 07:13 PM

I do accept your opinion on that but for me it's the Emperor's new clothes.  Point at them and laugh to at least build a bit of doubt.  Treat them as credible bodies and you never dent the self-belief of those who are caught.

What you say here gives the impression that you are afraid of those of faith.  You want to undermine them.  Why?

 

You are actually likely to have the opposite effect.  There is a long tradition of martydom within Christian history - of the peaceful kind, not the suicide bomber variety - and Christians will simply refer back to previous generations when they were mocked for their faith and take strength from it.  Often the most committed Christians can be found where the prejudice and/or persecution is at its worst because of this.


Edited by Saintslass, 26 August 2014 - 07:15 PM.


#43 Saintslass

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Posted 26 August 2014 - 07:17 PM

You really think Al Jazeera is a terrorists channel???

Its roots were definitely in sympathy with the terrorists yes.  You clearly have forgotten the early days.  Al Jazeera was one of the channels a certain Mr bin Laden used to use as for his little video clips.


Edited by Saintslass, 26 August 2014 - 07:25 PM.


#44 Saintslass

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Posted 26 August 2014 - 07:24 PM

 

1. You wrote "consider that you may be speaking from ignorance".

 I have considered it and find that I am speaking from a position of direct,experience, both specific and wide, gathered over 68 years.

But you haven't lived there?

 

 

 

2. I still don't watch Al Jazeera on principle.

You are free to make that choice. I don't watch Songs of Praise nor listen to Thought for the Day on the same principle because they actually promote a damaging and irrational belief in a non-existent supreme being.

 

Good for you.

 

 

3. Why don't you think they are harmless?  

I think it is harmful to dupe people into believing in Christianity  and Islam and indeed any other religion.

 

So people are incapable of thinking for themselves then?  How insulting.  I take it you're a socialist?

 

 

4.  :biggrin:  I assume you were attempting humour there yes?  
No.  I'd like to see a warning similar to those found on cigarette packets.
 

:laugh:  And you're accusing people of faith of being irrational!

 

 

5.  If you want respect for yours then you need to show respect for theirs.

I find that "believers" rarely show respect for the beliefs and views of others. Instead, they strive to impose their "faith" (and the concomitant rules, laws, restrictions etc ) on rational people.

You do have a fixation on this word 'rational'.  There isn't a rational being in the world.  We're all human, which immediately makes us irrational.  The word to you and to people with your view is a comfort blanket, there to rescue you when you find you have no actual argument because so often you actually don't know anything about the faiths you so fear.  It is fine to have those beliefs you agree with foisted on others who do not agree though isn't it?  Obviously!



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Posted 26 August 2014 - 07:30 PM

Its roots were definitely in sympathy with the terrorists yes.  You clearly have forgotten the early days.  Al Jazeera was one of the channels a certain Mr bin Laden used to use as for his little video clips.

 

The IRA used to send coded warnings to BBC Ulster, does that make the BBC Ulster a terrorist supporting organisation?


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#46 Saintslass

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Posted 26 August 2014 - 07:50 PM

The IRA used to send coded warnings to BBC Ulster, does that make the BBC Ulster a terrorist supporting organisation?

The IRA sent coded warnings to more than one source.  bin Laden didn't send coded warnings at all.



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Posted 26 August 2014 - 08:15 PM

All you are showing here is your ignorance.  Christians are in conflict about every single subject that isn't categorically stated in the Bible.  You will find Christians in favour of the death penalty (in the US, here, everywhere) and those against it.  You will find some in favour of abortion and some against it.  You will find some very welcoming to gay people and some not so welcoming.  And all points in between.  Christians rarely agree on anything and that is illustrated by the number of denominations around the world which collectively make up the Christian church.  Roman Catholics believe their priests should not be married; pretty much every other Christian denomination believes they should be!  Pentecostal Christians believe they can talk in the tongues of angels; pretty much every other Christian denomination doesn't!  The ignorance of people on here just towards one faith never mind all the others you list is quite astonishing but not remotely surprising and in some instances - especially the hysterical references to cults and sects - it's quite funny.  (Clearly those who use the terms have no idea what they actually mean)

 

Which one is it then?

christians were in the forefront of the campaign against the death penalty in the UK. I wasn't referring to'Christians', there is no theological reasons for Roman catholic priests remaining celibate. It is a rule that was introduced to stop the church's wealth being dissipated through inheritance.

Christianity is a cult the various churches within it are sects, same with other religious cults.

 

so this woman who has been married a while and is still a virgin, amazingly has a baby...

 

which one is what?


Edited by l'angelo mysterioso, 26 August 2014 - 08:16 PM.

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Posted 27 August 2014 - 07:10 AM

What you say here gives the impression that you are afraid of those of faith.  You want to undermine them.  Why?

 

You are actually likely to have the opposite effect.  There is a long tradition of martydom within Christian history - of the peaceful kind, not the suicide bomber variety - and Christians will simply refer back to previous generations when they were mocked for their faith and take strength from it.  Often the most committed Christians can be found where the prejudice and/or persecution is at its worst because of this.

I'm definitely not afraid of those of genuine faith.  As I mentioned above, I'm openly jealous of the inner peace those people can attain.  Unfortunately those people are a tiny minority of those who claim to be religious.  The rest are either in it out of habit, out of fear, out of a sense of moral superiority, out of peer pressure or for power or money.  There is a reason why the titled gentry of old aimed for four sons: the heir, the spare, the soldier, the priest.  Power through hereditary position, power through military means, power through controlling the masses with spirituality.

 

A personal example, there used to be an old Jehovah's Witness who came around this way with his wife every couple of months, he'd given up trying to convert me but still came around to talk to me about all things spiritual and temporal, I always enjoyed those sessions as I unashamedly took pleasure in sharing his peace.  He retired and his patch was passed on to a young couple who just exuded arrogance and moral superiority that they were one of God's chosen while the rest of us were damned and there wasn't much we could do about it, his preaching was not about saving us or making us more spiritual it was all about how we must change to suit his view of the world even though we were still damned.

 

A more macro-religious example, I think the current Pope and Dalai Lama are two of the most genuinely spiritual people in the world today, that I know that is.  The way that they are pushing the boundaries of inclusion and peace while not proselytising their specific faiths just endears me to them and makes me that bit more hopeful about humanity.  They both have their flaws and imposed restrictions but overall I doubt there could be a more perfect pair for their jobs.

 

On the general point about religion though, ANYONE who hates ANYONE ELSE based on a narrow interpretation of a passage in a book written in pieces over the last two millennia that has been reinterpreted and rewritten many times is a fool.  A blind, ignorant, pig-headed moron of a fool at that.  Idiot Christians use Old Testament passages to justify their discriminations, entirely ignoring the peaceful interpretations of the New Testament that deliberately contradict the Old Testament.  Idiot Muslims deliberately twist the Koran to justify their hate and discriminations yet when you show them documents like the Ashtiname of Muhammad they get all flustered  Idiot Hindus deliberately twist their faith's teachings to justify the caste system, modern-day slavery and misogyny.  I could go on with other religions.  I could give many, many examples of religious people of all religions openly discriminating against others by bastardising their religious faith to suit their twisted little minds.


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Posted 27 August 2014 - 07:19 AM

What you say here gives the impression that you are afraid of those of faith. You want to undermine them. Why?

You are actually likely to have the opposite effect. There is a long tradition of martydom within Christian history - of the peaceful kind, not the suicide bomber variety - and Christians will simply refer back to previous generations when they were mocked for their faith and take strength from it. Often the most committed Christians can be found where the prejudice and/or persecution is at its worst because of this.


The very point of this thread is the fear of religion. It is not the actions of a rational mind to believe in a god yet a huge number of the population do so including most of the people in power.
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Posted 27 August 2014 - 09:59 AM

faith has to be considered irrational, the evidence against its claims is overwhelming and evidence for them is practically non existent. the problem lies with the fact that these "holy" books encourage people to actively seek the end of the world. granted the majority of religous people are moderate but their reaction to any form of criticism of their faiths is clearly hindering the debate in how best to tackle extremists, like a mafia wife almost. imho religion has no place in a civilised world and has held the human race back for long enough. As for the tv channels, would prefer them to be banned but again the cries of persecution will stop it ever happening and baseless bile will continue to be broadcast into people homes.
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Posted 27 August 2014 - 10:19 AM

I think the current Pope and Dalai Lama are two of the most genuinely spiritual people in the world today, that I know that is.


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#52 l'angelo mysterioso

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Posted 27 August 2014 - 10:20 AM

faith has to be considered irrational, the evidence against its claims is overwhelming and evidence for them is practically non existent. the problem lies with the fact that these "holy" books encourage people to actively seek the end of the world. granted the majority of religous people are moderate but their reaction to any form of criticism of their faiths is clearly hindering the debate in how best to tackle extremists, like a mafia wife almost. imho religion has no place in a civilised world and has held the human race back for long enough. As for the tv channels, would prefer them to be banned but again the cries of persecution will stop it ever happening and baseless bile will continue to be broadcast into people homes.

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Posted 27 August 2014 - 10:31 AM

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the current pope seems a nice man. There have been some truly evil ones in the past.

 

the current pope issues homilies of the kind you get in christmas cards or readers digest, and kisses the foreheads of disabled children. He has changed nothing he has done nothing to improve the lives of the millions of people who are subservient and obedient followers of his sect. The vatican bank has huge wealth. I wonder what the man who cast the money lenders out from the temple would have made of that?

 

The Dalai Llama is a anise man. he oozes serenity and goodness, and that's about it. 


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Posted 27 August 2014 - 10:52 AM

the current pope seems a nice man. There have been some truly evil ones in the past.

 

the current pope issues homilies of the kind you get in christmas cards or readers digest, and kisses the foreheads of disabled children. He has changed nothing he has done nothing to improve the lives of the millions of people who are subservient and obedient followers of his sect. The vatican bank has huge wealth. I wonder what the man who cast the money lenders out from the temple would have made of that?

 

The Dalai Llama is a anise man. he oozes serenity and goodness, and that's about it. 

What a cynical view.

 

The current pope has been cleaning shop quite effectively.  First up, he said that he might see atheists in heaven by saying that doing good was more important than merely believing the right things.  Then there's the Bishop of Bling, as he's called, who the Pope sent off to a monastery and re-purposed his house as a soup kitchen.  Then there's him washing the feet of a muslim woman, the first pope to do so on a woman.  Then there's the blunt message to catholics not to judge gay men and women.  He also has some very robust views on the corruptions of capitalism.  Sure, he has a lot to do, especially around tackling the power abuses still going on and the historical abuse cases still coming out, then there's the issue with women becoming priests.

 

Then there's the Dalai Lama.  Did you mean asinine?  He spends his entire life preaching peace.  What's wrong with that?  How is that an asinine existence?  He's one counterpart to the vastly more numerous out there who just preach selfishness, short-term destructiveness and the chasing of profits over humanity.  What would you rather?  Another politician going around preaching disharmony simply to ensure he gets voted in again next time or someone who goes around the world preaching peace?


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#55 WearyRhino

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Posted 27 August 2014 - 10:58 AM


The Dalai Llama is a anise man.


You sure he's not an Uncle Joe's Mintballs kind of guy?

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Posted 27 August 2014 - 11:20 AM

What a cynical view.

 

The current pope has been cleaning shop quite effectively.  First up, he said that he might see atheists in heaven by saying that doing good was more important than merely believing the right things.  Then there's the Bishop of Bling, as he's called, who the Pope sent off to a monastery and re-purposed his house as a soup kitchen.  Then there's him washing the feet of a muslim woman, the first pope to do so on a woman.  Then there's the blunt message to catholics not to judge gay men and women.  He also has some very robust views on the corruptions of capitalism.  Sure, he has a lot to do, especially around tackling the power abuses still going on and the historical abuse cases still coming out, then there's the issue with women becoming priests.

 

Then there's the Dalai Lama.  Did you mean asinine?  He spends his entire life preaching peace.  What's wrong with that?  How is that an asinine existence?  He's one counterpart to the vastly more numerous out there who just preach selfishness, short-term destructiveness and the chasing of profits over humanity.  What would you rather?  Another politician going around preaching disharmony simply to ensure he gets voted in again next time or someone who goes around the world preaching peace?

the pope is doing a major public relations job trying to restore some kind of regard for the organisation he heads up. 

 

No I meant the dalai lama  was a nice man. 

 

The pope hasn't made a bit of difference to the lives he and his vastly wealthy and powerful organisation he has control over. 

same with the dalai lama

 

how is saying so, cynical?


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Posted 29 August 2014 - 09:20 AM

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Posted 29 August 2014 - 09:48 AM

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Posted 29 August 2014 - 09:49 AM

 

 

The current pope has been cleaning shop quite effectively. 

 

How many child abusers has the Roman Catholic church offered up to the secular authorities to face justice here on earth?


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Posted 04 September 2014 - 04:44 PM

Carlton Bolling school in Bradford has been associated with the alleged Trojan Horse conspiracy to Islamicise education in state schools.

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-27779832

 

The school also has a major influx of Roma children

 

http://www.thetelegr...dford_district/

 

Today, the teachers have had to barricade themselves in

 

http://www.thetelegr..._in_/?ref=var_0

 

Should be some interesting  reportage tomorrow.


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