The Parksider Posted April 11, 2015 Share Posted April 11, 2015 2014 2015 Hull/Widnes 10,286 9,295 It's a bit hard not to want to compare and comment on that one? Wire/Wakey 9,252 8,036 Cas/HKR 7,196 6,102 Salford/Leeds 5,012 4,,000 Fartown/Saints 7,244 5,825 Wigan/Catalans 11,216 12,162 Kenny Kitten has the Cas game down for a big 'un (edit twas a little 'un) Dons/Dews 744 1,100 Batley/Fev 1,143 916 Fax/Worky 1,658 1,122 Sheff/Leigh 1,151 1,454 Time for Sheffield to stand up and be counted!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Padge Posted April 11, 2015 Share Posted April 11, 2015 Relegation battle pulls them in! Visit my photography site www.padge.smugmug.com Radio 5 Live: Saturday 14 April 2007 Dave Whelan "In Wigan rugby will always be king" This country's wealth was created by men in overalls, it was destroyed by men in suits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chronicler of Chiswick Posted April 11, 2015 Share Posted April 11, 2015 Hull support starting to drift away due to continuing lack of success on the field plus a lack of visiting support as the game's been played on a Friday night with one of the longest return trips in SL at the moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wellsy4HullFC Posted April 11, 2015 Share Posted April 11, 2015 Could have played anyone, it would have been a low crowd. The team haven't been performing to the standard they are capable of. Fans have had enough of it. Has been happening a few times now over the last few seasons. Like for like wouldn't be Hull vs Widnes. It would be Hull vs anyone after a run of poor performances, which you will likely see are around the 9k mark (unless against a side with a large travelling support). Was happening before, will happen again. This game is not a relegation battle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Padge Posted April 11, 2015 Share Posted April 11, 2015 Could have played anyone, it would have been a low crowd. The team haven't been performing to the standard they are capable of. Fans have had enough of it. Has been happening a few times now over the last few seasons. Like for like wouldn't be Hull vs Widnes. It would be Hull vs anyone after a run of poor performances, which you will likely see are around the 9k mark (unless against a side with a large travelling support). Was happening before, will happen again. This game is not a relegation battle. Yes it was, that is the whole point of "Every Game Counts", or did it not count and we have been sold a pup. Visit my photography site www.padge.smugmug.com Radio 5 Live: Saturday 14 April 2007 Dave Whelan "In Wigan rugby will always be king" This country's wealth was created by men in overalls, it was destroyed by men in suits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wellsy4HullFC Posted April 11, 2015 Share Posted April 11, 2015 Yes it was, that is the whole point of "Every Game Counts", or did it not count and we have been sold a pup.Every game counts does not mean every game is a relegation battle. These two sides are still very much battling for top eight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Padge Posted April 11, 2015 Share Posted April 11, 2015 Every game counts does not mean every game is a relegation battle. These two sides are still very much battling for top eight. Ok, its a battle to get in the eight, didn't pull them in, so not much of an every game counts battle to get in the eight then. Seems the supporters didn't think it counted for much. Visit my photography site www.padge.smugmug.com Radio 5 Live: Saturday 14 April 2007 Dave Whelan "In Wigan rugby will always be king" This country's wealth was created by men in overalls, it was destroyed by men in suits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wellsy4HullFC Posted April 11, 2015 Share Posted April 11, 2015 Ok, its a battle to get in the eight, didn't pull them in, so not much of an every game counts battle to get in the eight then. Seems the supporters didn't think it counted for much.The supporters are p*ssed off at the club for continuing to promote mediocrity. Their non-attendance is very much down to that. Look on the FC forum from previous weeks. Regardless of the system, this would happen.This game does matter. As does the next. Some fans at the club feel that every game they don't attend will show the owner they've had enough of the ###### served up. Their non-attendance at the game matters. Is there a system that would stop that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Padge Posted April 11, 2015 Share Posted April 11, 2015 The supporters are p*ssed off at the club for continuing to promote mediocrity. Their non-attendance is very much down to that. Look on the FC forum from previous weeks. Regardless of the system, this would happen. This game does matter. As does the next. Some fans at the club feel that every game they don't attend will show the owner they've had enough of the ###### served up. Their non-attendance at the game matters. Is there a system that would stop that? But this cannot be so, this new structure means the days of the p!$$ed off fan have been banished forever, every game counts and therefore everyone turns up. Visit my photography site www.padge.smugmug.com Radio 5 Live: Saturday 14 April 2007 Dave Whelan "In Wigan rugby will always be king" This country's wealth was created by men in overalls, it was destroyed by men in suits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zorquif Posted April 11, 2015 Share Posted April 11, 2015 Yep. This proves that games between distant competitors attract more fans on a Sunday than a Friday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Parksider Posted April 11, 2015 Author Share Posted April 11, 2015 But this cannot be so, this new structure means the days of the p!$$ed off fan have been banished forever, every game counts and therefore everyone turns up. The aggregates for the Championship for games that are comparable (the two clubs met last year - so no ex-SL clubs or the mighty CC1 champions Hunslet) are as follows 2014 36,060 for 24 games to date 2015 35,980 for 24 games to date I know you lurve aggregates. As for averages these games averaged 1,502 last year and this year they average 1,499. I have now called Interpol to alert them to the fact we have 3 missing championship fans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Padge Posted April 11, 2015 Share Posted April 11, 2015 The impact so far is staggering. Visit my photography site www.padge.smugmug.com Radio 5 Live: Saturday 14 April 2007 Dave Whelan "In Wigan rugby will always be king" This country's wealth was created by men in overalls, it was destroyed by men in suits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wellsy4HullFC Posted April 11, 2015 Share Posted April 11, 2015 But this cannot be so, this new structure means the days of the p!$$ed off fan have been banished forever, every game counts and therefore everyone turns up.Where has anyone claimed that ever?I get it. You don't like the new structure. But don't go making up statements. I don't think anyone was expecting a sudden sharp increase. It's ironic that the people that use to complain about the RFL not giving this time are now using instant success as the only barometer. "Give it time if I agree with it" more like. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Parksider Posted April 11, 2015 Author Share Posted April 11, 2015 Yep. This proves that games between distant competitors attract more fans on a Sunday than a Friday. This game was on a Sunday last year when Hull had won their opening home games it got 10,300 This game was on a Friday in 2013 when Hull were playing well. It got 10,500. It seems a fair assessment to me some home fans are deciding not to bother due to poor form and that sounds much the better and normal explanation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeadShotKeen Posted April 11, 2015 Share Posted April 11, 2015 Where has anyone claimed that ever? I get it. You don't like the new structure. But don't go making up statements. I don't think anyone was expecting a sudden sharp increase. It's ironic that the people that use to complain about the RFL not giving this time are now using instant success as the only barometer. "Give it time if I agree with it" more like. I think what Padge is amusingly lampooning is the disingenuous RFL idea that you have to give every game some sort of spurious "meaning" in order to create the most entertaining spectacle. In NRL the previous dud Titans just blitzed the Eels (who beat the champion Rabbitohs last week) by 22 on their home patch and they didn't need the fear of a relegation trap door or any promotional campaign mantra to do it - it's just the net result of having a strong league where all the teams have at least a few studs each and the big boys are not allowed to pull away in some free market snoozeathon. SL needs a simplicity of design, not all of this convoluted overthinking. How ironic is the whole "new era" thing anyway? It's the polar opposite of the 1995 model, which would have been a genuinely new era and - with hindsight - the greatest thing that could have ever have happened to the sport in Europe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Parksider Posted April 11, 2015 Author Share Posted April 11, 2015 But this cannot be so, this new structure means the days of the p!$$ed off fan have been banished forever, every game counts and therefore everyone turns up. You need to give it time. Licensing got six years:- 2009 Superleague average 8730 2014 Superleague average 8041 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeadShotKeen Posted April 11, 2015 Share Posted April 11, 2015 You need to give it time. Licensing got six years:- 2009 Superleague average 8730 2014 Superleague average 8041 The end of licensing was announced in 2013 and that's when I walked away so it's disingenuous RFL spin doctor thinking to use 2014's attendance figures against licensing. Gimme 2009-2012 and we can talk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Parksider Posted April 11, 2015 Author Share Posted April 11, 2015 It's the polar opposite of the 1995 model, First Div 1995 5543 SLeague 1996 6545 The idea we need to give it time is just an excuse to deflect from the reality that good ideas tend to have a positive reaction pretty quickly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeadShotKeen Posted April 11, 2015 Share Posted April 11, 2015 First Div 1995 5543 SLeague 1996 6545 The idea we need to give it time is just an excuse to deflect from the reality that good ideas tend to have a positive reaction pretty quickly. So why are you peddling it then? Rhetorical question, naturally. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Parksider Posted April 11, 2015 Author Share Posted April 11, 2015 The end of licensing was announced in 2013 and that's when I walked away so it's disingenuous RFL spin doctor thinking to use 2014's attendance figures against licensing. You walking away will only have affected crowds by one less. Suffice to say that new idea of licensing saw crowds in 2009 at 8,730. The following year 2010 the crowds were 8,730. Had you walked away then the crowds would have been 8,729 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Parksider Posted April 11, 2015 Author Share Posted April 11, 2015 Are you peddling? First Division 1995 5543 Superleague 2008 9819 Going back to 12 clubs and one up and one down was a serious option. But whose to say that that would have made any difference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zorquif Posted April 11, 2015 Share Posted April 11, 2015 This game was on a Sunday last year when Hull had won their opening home games it got 10,300 This game was on a Friday in 2013 when Hull were playing well. It got 10,500. It seems a fair assessment to me some home fans are deciding not to bother due to poor form and that sounds much the better and normal explanation. I can live with that. So nothing to do with the structure of the league? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Parksider Posted April 11, 2015 Author Share Posted April 11, 2015 I can live with that. So nothing to do with the structure of the league? Dunno. Maybe the new structure attracted 2,000 new fans, but the poor performances put off 3,000 established Hull fans? So maybe the new structure is a hit?? Why not Live with that thought? You know you want to.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krytensmate Posted April 11, 2015 Share Posted April 11, 2015 The end of licensing was announced in 2013 and that's when I walked away so it's disingenuous RFL spin doctor thinking to use 2014's attendance figures against licensing. Gimme 2009-2012 and we can talk. After 3 years of licencing is when I walked away , I at least had the decency to give it a few years before I decided it wasn't for me , you obviously aren't as patient Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Exiled Wiganer Posted April 11, 2015 Share Posted April 11, 2015 How many games was d s k attending that his disappearance reduces the average at every game by 1? No wonder he walked away - he must have been exhausted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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