Futtocks Posted April 24, 2015 Share Posted April 24, 2015 If it is a case of either/or, I'd rather have correct results than quick results. A drug cheat getting away with it for a few extra weeks, balanced against an innocent player being banned for years. They're both bad, but I could stomach the former if the latter never happened. Let me never fall into the vulgar mistake of dreaming that I am persecuted whenever I am contradicted. Ralph Waldo Emerson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ehbandit Posted April 24, 2015 Share Posted April 24, 2015 http://www.ukad.org.uk/what-we-do/results-management The process outlined here would seem to take longer for a positive test to clarified and to be made public than a negative one, I wonder if the RFL got confused with what they have told Leigh in the statement? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wackojacko Posted April 24, 2015 Share Posted April 24, 2015 That's the standard normally. And it isn't three consecutive tests; when Christine Ohuruogu was banned for missing three tests (and the tabloid press went into orgies of condemnation), that was over a period when she had turned up on time and been tested on nearly thirty other occasions. Yeah but you only have to miss the tests where you're going to test positive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeeF Posted April 24, 2015 Share Posted April 24, 2015 Yeah but you only have to miss the tests where you're going to test positive. Then you get targeted random testing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Futtocks Posted April 24, 2015 Share Posted April 24, 2015 Yeah but you only have to miss the tests where you're going to test positive. Or you can be 100% clean and also miss three tests. You still get the ban. Let me never fall into the vulgar mistake of dreaming that I am persecuted whenever I am contradicted. Ralph Waldo Emerson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terrywebbisgod Posted April 24, 2015 Share Posted April 24, 2015 Or you can be 100% clean and also miss three tests. You still get the ban. True but clean athletes rarely "miss" tests. Thank you for your valuable contribution. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Futtocks Posted April 24, 2015 Share Posted April 24, 2015 True but clean athletes rarely "miss" tests. Really? Using the inverted commas to snidely damn every single person who was unavoidably detained, had an unexpected emergency, was forgetful or just stuck in traffic? You may have a future in tabloid journalism. Let me never fall into the vulgar mistake of dreaming that I am persecuted whenever I am contradicted. Ralph Waldo Emerson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ckn Posted April 25, 2015 Share Posted April 25, 2015 A bunch of deletes and one suspension. I think you lot must have gathered by now that this is a subject that's going to keep moderation attention. Play nicely. I'm not locking it as it genuinely is a valid subject. "When in deadly danger, when beset by doubt; run in little circles, wave your arms and shout" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ehbandit Posted April 25, 2015 Share Posted April 25, 2015 I hope the numbers I'm hearing are incorrect! If true it will be big news. ( at least 8 now) If true, what would the implications for RL be in this country? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Padge Posted April 25, 2015 Share Posted April 25, 2015 I hope the numbers I'm hearing are incorrect! If true it will be big news. ( at least 8 now) If true, what would the implications for RL be in this country? We are the best testers Visit my photography site www.padge.smugmug.com Radio 5 Live: Saturday 14 April 2007 Dave Whelan "In Wigan rugby will always be king" This country's wealth was created by men in overalls, it was destroyed by men in suits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sweaty craiq Posted April 25, 2015 Share Posted April 25, 2015 Quite a bit of mud being thrown from the featherstone area at leigh on this subject, hope they are not leaving themselves open to court cases My limited understanding is that the club gets told of any problems and the players aren't selected until B samples are tested. Hence why the clubs know about failures first, the early accusations centred on players who didn't play v Salford but it seems that they are in this weeks 19 with the exception of moimoi who has been in a knee brace since Easter and pesky who is going in for an operation and will be out for. 8 weeks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Futtocks Posted April 25, 2015 Share Posted April 25, 2015 Some people want the very worst to be true so much, it's quite unhealthy. Let me never fall into the vulgar mistake of dreaming that I am persecuted whenever I am contradicted. Ralph Waldo Emerson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeeF Posted April 26, 2015 Share Posted April 26, 2015 Quite a bit of mud being thrown from the featherstone area at leigh on this subject, hope they are not leaving themselves open to court cases My limited understanding is that the club gets told of any problems and the players aren't selected until B samples are tested. Hence why the clubs know about failures first, the early accusations centred on players who didn't play v Salford but it seems that they are in this weeks 19 with the exception of moimoi who has been in a knee brace since Easter and pesky who is going in for an operation and will be out for. 8 weeks Both player and club will be told of a positive after the A sample test but they would not be suspended if banned until the results of the B are available Any none picking would be a club/ player decision Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sweaty craiq Posted April 26, 2015 Share Posted April 26, 2015 I understand that is club policy LeeF so would make sense as it was a club official who told me, it is how we dealt with Mick Govin a few years ago - he didn't play and the ban was much later Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
indomitable Posted April 26, 2015 Share Posted April 26, 2015 Sadly, it is a fact of life that if you attend a gymnasium in Britain it is very easy to purchase enhancing drugs, and I suppose it can be hard to turn down the temptation to purchase these drugs if your body is slow to respond to legitimate body exercises. Informants also tell me you can get instruction in how to deceive drug tests. A certain American cyclist did it for years, readily boasting to all the world he was clean. Working in the world of clinical trials I am positive that there are some enhancing drugs which at present would not at present be discovered on a current drug test. Alas it is very much a case of constantly having to catch up, which of course it will always be so as we require ever new drugs to deal with such as cancer, I find it particularly sad that drugs used in medicine regularly, and legitimately, are used to improve sporting prowess. Even beta blockers which are used to slow things down in hypertension is a banned substance in snooker. I really do hope that there is nothing in the current stories circulating, and we can follow our favourite teams knowing they are 'clean" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wackojacko Posted April 26, 2015 Share Posted April 26, 2015 Sadly, it is a fact of life that if you attend a gymnasium in Britain it is very easy to purchase enhancing drugs, and I suppose it can be hard to turn down the temptation to purchase these drugs if your body is slow to respond to legitimate body exercises. Informants also tell me you can get instruction in how to deceive drug tests. A certain American cyclist did it for years, readily boasting to all the world he was clean. Working in the world of clinical trials I am positive that there are some enhancing drugs which at present would not at present be discovered on a current drug test. Alas it is very much a case of constantly having to catch up, which of course it will always be so as we require ever new drugs to deal with such as cancer, I find it particularly sad that drugs used in medicine regularly, and legitimately, are used to improve sporting prowess. Even beta blockers which are used to slow things down in hypertension is a banned substance in snooker. I really do hope that there is nothing in the current stories circulating, and we can follow our favourite teams knowing they are 'clean" A guy leaving his job at Chatenay Malabray with the AFLD said that if he ran a doping programme he could do it with 100% certainty of avoiding a positive result. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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