Farmduck Posted May 6, 2015 Share Posted May 6, 2015 Hard to say. Brad Thorn only ever played RL for Qld and OZ. He only played RU for the Kiwis. His family moved here when he was in Primary School so he would qualify for Qld under the current rules. Tonie Carroll spent some of his High School years in Qld so he might also still qualify for Qld. I think he's only the second player in history to play for AUS and NZ in RL. (except, of course, for Dally Messenger and Steve Price who were always considered "guest" players. Price went on the Centenary tour in 2008 as a nod to Dally M going on the original 1908 All Golds tour.) Tamou played for Maori but not NZ. His family also moved here a long time ago and I think he's only 6 months off qualifying for NSW under the current rules. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Omally Posted May 6, 2015 Share Posted May 6, 2015 Do the Kiwis plea to be in SOO? Not that I've noticed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wellsy4HullFC Posted May 6, 2015 Share Posted May 6, 2015 Not that I've noticed.So the Aussie logic is that the SOO teams are actually better than a combination of the two? Hmm... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farmduck Posted May 6, 2015 Share Posted May 6, 2015 So the Aussie logic is that the SOO teams are actually better than a combination of the two? Hmm... I can't follow the logical process there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Futtocks Posted May 7, 2015 Share Posted May 7, 2015 I think part of Origin's popularity is that an Australian team always wins... Let me never fall into the vulgar mistake of dreaming that I am persecuted whenever I am contradicted. Ralph Waldo Emerson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mumby Magic Posted May 7, 2015 Share Posted May 7, 2015 Lets get Richardson back in the UK and involved in our game. Like poor jokes? Thejoketeller@mullymessiah Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deluded pom? Posted May 7, 2015 Share Posted May 7, 2015 Lets get Richardson back in the UK and involved in our game. Definitely not. He's better off persuading the Aussies to change their attitude to the international game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allora Posted May 8, 2015 Share Posted May 8, 2015 Definitely not. He's better off persuading the Aussies to change their attitude to the international game. Maybe its the way the Aussies ended up making their own challenge due to lack of contenders at Test level? If we had provided a challenge over the last four decades the Aussies may not have looked inwards as much as they have. Talent is secondary to whether players are confident. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yosser Posted May 8, 2015 Share Posted May 8, 2015 Times change. There was a time when the most intense rivalry in football was the Scotland/England game Scotland would bring 50/60 thousand to Wembley. All that has changed. So who's to say, one day SOO might be ecliped by the International game. And Richardson and Smith might be the ones to set us on that path. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allora Posted May 8, 2015 Share Posted May 8, 2015 The International game has failed because of our poor performance over four decades. Its easy to blame the Aussies lack of interest and their focus inwards on SOO. We have caused that to happen. If England /GB were winning our share SOO would be nowhere compared to what it is now. Talent is secondary to whether players are confident. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deluded pom? Posted May 8, 2015 Share Posted May 8, 2015 The International game has failed because of our poor performance over four decades. Its easy to blame the Aussies lack of interest and their focus inwards on SOO. We have caused that to happen. If England /GB were winning our share SOO would be nowhere compared to what it is now. Yet NSW lost eight series on the bounce but interest is still sky high in Queensland! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thirteenthman Posted May 8, 2015 Share Posted May 8, 2015 Yet NSW lost eight series on the bounce but interest is still sky high in Queensland! To be fair though, there's a bit of a difference between the 8 years that NSW didn't win a series for and the 43 years since we last beat the Aussies in a series or tournament. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deluded pom? Posted May 8, 2015 Share Posted May 8, 2015 To be fair though, there's a bit of a difference between the 8 years that NSW didn't win a series for and the 43 years since we last beat the Aussies in a series or tournament. True but it's just simplistic to put it down to us not competing. Attendances were good on the last proper tour we undertook in 1992. The SL war is what allowed Origin to thrive and Australia to fall out with the rest of the international game. They developed a siege mentality and what better way to confirm that than a game involving 34 of Australia's finest with not a foreigner in sight, not yet anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thirteenthman Posted May 8, 2015 Share Posted May 8, 2015 True but it's just simplistic to put it down to us not competing. Attendances were good on the last proper tour we undertook in 1992. The SL war is what allowed Origin to thrive and Australia to fall out with the rest of the international game. They developed a siege mentality and what better way to confirm that than a game involving 34 of Australia's finest with not a foreigner in sight, not yet anyway. The attendances were very good in 92 because we were competitive. In 88 wasn't the crowd in Sydney for that 3rd test under 15,000 or so? It's a fair point on the SL war though, with the lack of proper internationals being played in Aus. After 92, the next time GB played in Aus was the 99 Tri Nations, and that didn't do international RL any favours at all. But again, it didn't help that we weren't competitive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rlno1 Posted May 8, 2015 Share Posted May 8, 2015 In 1988 the Sydney Football Stadium had just been redeveloped and ticket prices for representative games were very high which affected attendances. Even origin games that year were not played to full houses at both Sydney games. Also as usual the Sydney media went in hard on the Lions, I can recall Reilly booting out one very negative Sydney journo from the victorious dressing room after the third test. So combined with ticket prices, results and media negativity it did hit the crowds in 88. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EastLondonMike Posted May 9, 2015 Share Posted May 9, 2015 In 88 some of the Aussie press actually encouraged people not to go to the game, such was the forgone conclusion of the match.. According to their infinite wisdom.. The rest we know is history. Newham Dockers - Champions 2013. Rugby League For East London. 100% Cockney Rugby League!Twitter: @NewhamDockersRL - Get following! www.newhamdockers.co.uk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allora Posted May 9, 2015 Share Posted May 9, 2015 Yet NSW lost eight series on the bounce but interest is still sky high in Queensland! Isn't that because each year both teams look pretty even and the bookies never have one team way out in front. Not that many SOO series are a whitewash, only four series in the last twenty years have been 3-0. Queensland fans will always get excited about a win over NSW from what I understand even if its the twentieth win in a row. In the last twenty years England/GB teams have won 4 from 25 games against the Aussies. Hardly inspiring results, things maybe about to change though. Talent is secondary to whether players are confident. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deluded pom? Posted May 9, 2015 Share Posted May 9, 2015 We also get told that Aussies won't watch what they think is a no contest but don't turn out in great numbers to watch their team lose to NZ. Maybe they are right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allora Posted May 9, 2015 Share Posted May 9, 2015 We also get told that Aussies won't watch what they think is a no contest but don't turn out in great numbers to watch their team lose to NZ. Maybe they are right. I thought they got 33,000, is that a bad crowd when the game was changed from Friday to Sunday on no notice? Talent is secondary to whether players are confident. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deluded pom? Posted May 9, 2015 Share Posted May 9, 2015 I thought they got 33,000, is that a bad crowd when the game was changed from Friday to Sunday on no notice? The Aussies over at LU seemed convinced the crowd would be bigger on a Sunday than a Friday due to it being more family friendly. Three fifths capacity in the most supportive city in Australia for what is the biggest international game outside of a tournament doesn't seem too great to me. If we get three fifths capacity at the OS in what is a crowded city for counter attractions and little awareness of RLthen I will be very disappointed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allora Posted May 9, 2015 Share Posted May 9, 2015 The Aussies over at LU seemed convinced the crowd would be bigger on a Sunday than a Friday due to it being more family friendly. Three fifths capacity in the most supportive city in Australia for what is the biggest international game outside of a tournament doesn't seem too great to me. If we get three fifths capacity at the OS in what is a crowded city for counter attractions and little awareness of RLthen I will be very disappointed. It may have been bigger if it was originally planned for Sunday not a last minute change. Maybe some of the Brisbane fans were cleaning up their Houses due to the Storm and Floods they caused and could not attend the game, who knows? We need to make sure that we get big crowds against the Kiwis before we bang on about others. The Australians are a different market in a different environment with issues that have nothing in common with Super League. Talent is secondary to whether players are confident. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farmduck Posted May 9, 2015 Share Posted May 9, 2015 If the game had been scheduled for Sunday all along then I'm sure they would have got a bigger crowd. Lots of people work on Sundays and others would have had return transport booked for the Saturday because they had to get home for work. To take the once in a lifetime postponement as conclusive proof of anything is a very desperate shot. You know Harold Shipman spent most of his career in the North and Peter Sutcliffe spent most of his life in Yorkshire. Is everybody north of Oxford a serial killer? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deluded pom? Posted May 9, 2015 Share Posted May 9, 2015 If the game had been scheduled for Sunday all along then I'm sure they would have got a bigger crowd. Lots of people work on Sundays and others would have had return transport booked for the Saturday because they had to get home for work. To take the once in a lifetime postponement as conclusive proof of anything is a very desperate shot. You know Harold Shipman spent most of his career in the North and Peter Sutcliffe spent most of his life in Yorkshire. Is everybody north of Oxford a serial killer? What about Dennis Nielsen? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allora Posted May 9, 2015 Share Posted May 9, 2015 What about Dennis Nielsen? Can I ask.... Why do you call yourself Deluded Pom? Talent is secondary to whether players are confident. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deluded pom? Posted May 9, 2015 Share Posted May 9, 2015 Can I ask.... Why do you call yourself Deluded Pom? No Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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