audois Posted May 16, 2015 Share Posted May 16, 2015 If anything convinced me about the presence of Catalans Dragons in Super League it was this effort this afternoon in Carcassonne. A dozen Dragons Academy lads against the cream across the Channel. 12 points behind after just a couple of minutes it looked like a massacre to happen. But did the French dig in. Behind at the break 20-22 but with a strong wind behind dominated the second period; it was only a couple of opportunistic scores that got England back infront but a penalty goal sealed it at the death for France. Well deserved. A definate statement for sure.Something moved today. "It involves matters much greater than drafting the new rules...the original and existing games have their own powerful appeal to their players and public and have the sentiments which history inspires" - Harold 'Jersey' Flegg 1933 "Just as we had been Cathars, we were treizistes, men apart." - Jean Roque, Calendrier-revue du Racing-Club Albigeois, 1958-1959 Si tu( Remi Casty) devais envoyer un fax au Président Guasch? " Un grand bravo pour ce que vous avez fait,et merci de m 'avoir embarqué dans cette aventure" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshmagpie Posted May 16, 2015 Share Posted May 16, 2015 All the more reason to place Toulouse in SL and give these lads the best possible opportunity for a future in RL and a strong French national side. Well done them! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Futtocks Posted May 16, 2015 Share Posted May 16, 2015 If anything convinced me about the presence of Catalans Dragons in Super League it was this effort this afternoon in Carcassonne. A dozen Dragons Academy lads against the cream across the Channel. 12 points behind after just a couple of minutes it looked like a massacre to happen. But did the French dig in. Behind at the break 20-22 but with a strong wind behind dominated the second period; it was only a couple of opportunistic scores that got England back infront but a penalty goal sealed at the death for France. Well deserved. A definate statement for sure.Something moved today. Good comeback. If there are any highlights etc. posted online, let us know. Let me never fall into the vulgar mistake of dreaming that I am persecuted whenever I am contradicted. Ralph Waldo Emerson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evil Homer Posted May 16, 2015 Share Posted May 16, 2015 I wonder how many of these French players will actually make it to Super League and how many will drift away like so many other good French junior teams. English clubs should be scouting all of these players but I doubt it will happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barnyia Posted May 16, 2015 Share Posted May 16, 2015 Thé french were unlucky to lose last year lost by a last minute try after having a player sin binned in the last 5 mins, It's been like this for years in junior rl, I help out with lezignan rugby school and there's a lot of talent coming through! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BroncoFan Posted May 17, 2015 Share Posted May 17, 2015 I've seen the England team lineup but haven't seen the France 17 anywhere. Everything under the sun is in tune But the sun is eclipsed by the moon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
audois Posted May 17, 2015 Author Share Posted May 17, 2015 The revelation yesterday was the stand off Albert with what 1 try, 5 goals and a drop goal. Carcassonne boy now based in Perpignan and playing for the Dragons U19s and yet played in the internationals across the Channel for France U16s against English Schoolboys last month. Was I think MOTM in the second Test which France won. His all round game impressive - passing, running at the line and kicking. Second half short kicking game exceptional forcing repeated line drops and took the wind out of Englands sails. Albert now trains alongside the likes of Carney and Dureau at Brutus so is in the right place. Looking at the build of the players England bigger across the 17 but France to me starting slowly to match up in that area. They had possibly the best forward out there in Avignon's Goudemand who ploughed forward all afternoon. A decade back the French youngsters measured themselves against BARLA formations and Australian Institute Sports sides - today its SL Academy and Australian Schoolbys. Its only a start with the Catalans U19s hardly out of the starting blocks but they're making progress certainly on yesterdays evidence. "It involves matters much greater than drafting the new rules...the original and existing games have their own powerful appeal to their players and public and have the sentiments which history inspires" - Harold 'Jersey' Flegg 1933 "Just as we had been Cathars, we were treizistes, men apart." - Jean Roque, Calendrier-revue du Racing-Club Albigeois, 1958-1959 Si tu( Remi Casty) devais envoyer un fax au Président Guasch? " Un grand bravo pour ce que vous avez fait,et merci de m 'avoir embarqué dans cette aventure" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yakstorm Posted May 17, 2015 Share Posted May 17, 2015 So France U18s beat England Academy. England Academy beat Australian Schoolboys and the Australian Schoolboys beat New Zealand Schoolboys... based upon that then France are the U18s World Champions? Now whilst I've incredibly over simplified everything there, the result for the French in U18s and U16s earlier in the year is massive for the growth of the game in the country. Honestly we need to work out how we make sure as many of these players aren't lost and getting them into Super League, Championship, NRL, NSW Cup, Queensland Cup or keeping them in Elite 1. If over the next 5 years we can make France a competitive International nation again it opens up so many opportunities for the code, especially in England PACIFIQUE TREIZE: Join the team by registering as a fan today at pacifique13.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeordieSaint Posted May 17, 2015 Share Posted May 17, 2015 Now whilst I've incredibly over simplified everything there, the result for the French in U18s and U16s earlier in the year is massive for the growth of the game in the country. Honestly we need to work out how we make sure as many of these players aren't lost and getting them into Super League, Championship, NRL, NSW Cup, Queensland Cup or keeping them in Elite 1. Brilliant result for the French. I hope this continues and makes the RFL and clubs to wake up and realise the potential across the water in France. With changes likely in the Southern Hemisphere seemingly likely, we need to buy into this as well as clearly there is potential there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted May 17, 2015 Share Posted May 17, 2015 The revelation yesterday was the stand off Albert with what 1 try, 5 goals and a drop goal. Carcassonne boy now based in Perpignan and playing for the Dragons U19s and yet played in the internationals across the Channel for France U16s against English Schoolboys last month. Was I think MOTM in the second Test which France won. His all round game impressive - passing, running at the line and kicking. Second half short kicking game exceptional forcing repeated line drops and took the wind out of Englands sails. Albert now trains alongside the likes of Carney and Dureau at Brutus so is in the right place. Looking at the build of the players England bigger across the 17 but France to me starting slowly to match up in that area. They had possibly the best forward out there in Avignon's Goudemand who ploughed forward all afternoon. A decade back the French youngsters measured themselves against BARLA formations and Australian Institute Sports sides - today its SL Academy and Australian Schoolbys. Its only a start with the Catalans U19s hardly out of the starting blocks but they're making progress certainly on yesterdays evidence. Sounds like that there are some great prospects coming through for the French at u16 and u18 levels. Do the French juniors ever travel to australia or NZ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kiwis 13 6 Posted May 17, 2015 Share Posted May 17, 2015 IF common sense is to prevail... and surely it must eventually, even NRL has finally seen the light on internationals! Toulouse needs to at least be admitted directly to the championship playing the like of Leigh, Bradford, Halifax, Sheffield and London. with Toulouse in the championship with a 2nd french academy side based in Toulouse. It would strengthen French Rugby league, increase the super league playing pool to recruit from, European rugby league and world rugby league a a result. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
audois Posted May 17, 2015 Author Share Posted May 17, 2015 Sounds like that there are some great prospects coming through for the French at u16 and u18 levels. Do the French juniors ever travel to australia or NZ? Certainly Remi Casty toured there once with a junior side but at least a decade back from what I remember. They hot-house from what they've got; but they some how have got to get the reservoir bigger.Mick Aldous the Australian who was briefly engaged by the Federation again going back some years identified this problem. Need more teams at U16s-U18s. Winger Fouad Yaha should have played yesterday but is included in the Dragons line up against Featherstone this afternoon. Yet another lad from Avignon area and the youngest ever to debut for Catalans in SL at 18 yrs and a few months. "It involves matters much greater than drafting the new rules...the original and existing games have their own powerful appeal to their players and public and have the sentiments which history inspires" - Harold 'Jersey' Flegg 1933 "Just as we had been Cathars, we were treizistes, men apart." - Jean Roque, Calendrier-revue du Racing-Club Albigeois, 1958-1959 Si tu( Remi Casty) devais envoyer un fax au Président Guasch? " Un grand bravo pour ce que vous avez fait,et merci de m 'avoir embarqué dans cette aventure" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted May 17, 2015 Share Posted May 17, 2015 Brilliant result for the French. I hope this continues and makes the RFL and clubs to wake up and realise the potential across the water in France. With changes likely in the Southern Hemisphere seemingly likely, we need to buy into this as well as clearly there is potential there. Get Toulouse in the championship, have France play England every year in France and get the French juniors to tour down under to Australia and NZ every other year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hvy wg Posted May 17, 2015 Share Posted May 17, 2015 Lucas Albert is a huge prospect. He's a U16, playing with France U18 and Catalans U19. He's technically impressive and there's plenty of space to work with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeordieSaint Posted May 17, 2015 Share Posted May 17, 2015 Get Toulouse in the championship, have France play England every year in France and get the French juniors to tour down under to Australia and NZ every other year. I've said it elsewhere but the integration of Catalan into SL is the model we should be using for Toulouse, not the Championship route which is a proven failure as demonstrated a few short years ago. Toulouse need to be playing clubs like Leeds and Wigan to build interest, not Featherstone and Sheffield. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kiwis 13 6 Posted May 17, 2015 Share Posted May 17, 2015 geordie i agree with you but having toulouse in super league a la les catalans is just probly to much common sense to ask for from the powers that be, championship seems more likely at least now in championship you have the ability to be full time pro side if you have the funding. Championship 1 total waste of time for any french side the french elite 1 is a better comp! Hope uk based super league sides & nrl sides look to france for talent a bit more after some good results from french youth sides recently Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evil Homer Posted May 17, 2015 Share Posted May 17, 2015 So France U18s beat England Academy. England Academy beat Australian Schoolboys and the Australian Schoolboys beat New Zealand Schoolboys... based upon that then France are the U18s World Champions? Now whilst I've incredibly over simplified everything there, the result for the French in U18s and U16s earlier in the year is massive for the growth of the game in the country. Honestly we need to work out how we make sure as many of these players aren't lost and getting them into Super League, Championship, NRL, NSW Cup, Queensland Cup or keeping them in Elite 1. If over the next 5 years we can make France a competitive International nation again it opens up so many opportunities for the code, especially in England France U18s beat Australian Schoolboys in 2012. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted May 17, 2015 Share Posted May 17, 2015 Lucas Albert is a huge prospect. He's a U16, playing with France U18 and Catalans U19. He's technically impressive and there's plenty of space to work with. Good to see France producing talented backs as well as forwards. Do the French rugby league have any development program's in the big cities of Toulouse, marseille, Lyon, Bordeaux etc? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
audois Posted May 18, 2015 Author Share Posted May 18, 2015 I remember some years back Toulouse arriving in Carcassonne with only 9 Juniors to play an U21s fixture. This year I understand that they are running with two sides at this age group - in fact yesterday their 'B' team won their competition. France U18s Group was: ALBERT Lucas – Dragons Catalans U19 BELMAS Lambert – Dragons Catalans U19 CASTANY Bruno – Dragons Catalans U19 DA COSTA Alrix – Dragons Catalans U19 DENIS Christopher – Albi RL DEZARIA Jordan – Dragons Catalans U19 FERRET Etienne – FC Lézignan GOUDEMAND Mickaël – SO Avignon IZARD Paul – Dragons Catalans U19 JULLIEN Fabien – SO Avignon MARGUERITTE Gavin – TO XIII MARIA Franck – Dragons Catalans U19 N’ZOUNGOU Levy – TO XIII NIETCHE-CORONES Sébastien – Dragons Catalans U19 POMIE Nicolas – Lescure QUEMENER Quentin – Dragons Catalans U19 ROMANO Arthur – Dragons Catalans U19 SEGUIER Paul – Dragons Catalans U19 "It involves matters much greater than drafting the new rules...the original and existing games have their own powerful appeal to their players and public and have the sentiments which history inspires" - Harold 'Jersey' Flegg 1933 "Just as we had been Cathars, we were treizistes, men apart." - Jean Roque, Calendrier-revue du Racing-Club Albigeois, 1958-1959 Si tu( Remi Casty) devais envoyer un fax au Président Guasch? " Un grand bravo pour ce que vous avez fait,et merci de m 'avoir embarqué dans cette aventure" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roughyedspud Posted May 18, 2015 Share Posted May 18, 2015 We defo need a under 20s world cup...be awesome that. OLDHAM RLFC the 8TH most successful team in british RL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kiwis 13 6 Posted May 18, 2015 Share Posted May 18, 2015 6 players in the squad aren't even in Catalans academy system! France could have 2 academy sides by the looks of it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hvy wg Posted May 18, 2015 Share Posted May 18, 2015 That's because they're playing with the senior clubs. Higher standard than the Academy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunbar Posted May 18, 2015 Share Posted May 18, 2015 We defo need a under 20s world cup...be awesome that.Good shout this. We have seen some really competitive u18 series recently with the French up there with the big three nations. Throw in the Pacific nations with all the juniors coming through in the NRL and you have all the ingredients for a strong u 20's world cup. "The history of the world is the history of the triumph of the heartless over the mindless." — Sir Humphrey Appleby. "If someone doesn't value evidence, what evidence are you going to provide to prove that they should value it? If someone doesn't value logic, what logical argument could you provide to show the importance of logic?" — Sam Harris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim from Oz Posted May 19, 2015 Share Posted May 19, 2015 I remember some years back Toulouse arriving in Carcassonne with only 9 Juniors to play an U21s fixture. This year I understand that they are running with two sides at this age group - in fact yesterday their 'B' team won their competition. France U18s Group was: ALBERT Lucas – Dragons Catalans U19 BELMAS Lambert – Dragons Catalans U19 CASTANY Bruno – Dragons Catalans U19 DA COSTA Alrix – Dragons Catalans U19 DENIS Christopher – Albi RL DEZARIA Jordan – Dragons Catalans U19 FERRET Etienne – FC Lézignan GOUDEMAND Mickaël – SO Avignon IZARD Paul – Dragons Catalans U19 JULLIEN Fabien – SO Avignon MARGUERITTE Gavin – TO XIII MARIA Franck – Dragons Catalans U19 N’ZOUNGOU Levy – TO XIII NIETCHE-CORONES Sébastien – Dragons Catalans U19 POMIE Nicolas – Lescure QUEMENER Quentin – Dragons Catalans U19 ROMANO Arthur – Dragons Catalans U19 SEGUIER Paul – Dragons Catalans U19 Great stuff, they look like proud treizistes !!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
audois Posted May 19, 2015 Author Share Posted May 19, 2015 That's because they're playing with the senior clubs. Higher standard than the Academy. Saw N'Zoungoun from Toulouse playing against ASC in Elite 1 earlier. Think too front rower Goudemand and scrum half Jullien have played in the seniors at Avignion. Ferret full back for Lezignan earlier in the Academy at Salford may be. I think with less emphasis now on overseas players these kids are getting their chances earlier in senior football. Mick Potter when he was at the Dragons commented how much older French players where before debuting at first grade. Somethings changing with that here now slowly. "It involves matters much greater than drafting the new rules...the original and existing games have their own powerful appeal to their players and public and have the sentiments which history inspires" - Harold 'Jersey' Flegg 1933 "Just as we had been Cathars, we were treizistes, men apart." - Jean Roque, Calendrier-revue du Racing-Club Albigeois, 1958-1959 Si tu( Remi Casty) devais envoyer un fax au Président Guasch? " Un grand bravo pour ce que vous avez fait,et merci de m 'avoir embarqué dans cette aventure" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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