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gingerjon

Member Since 22 Apr 2004
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In Topic: Ukip gets its first MP

Yesterday, 06:12 PM

I hear he's refused to stand down.  :biggrin:

 

Beautiful.  Beautiful.


In Topic: Rotherham

Yesterday, 06:04 PM

I still don't see why it's not in the public interest to get a magnifying glass out for the now very senior people who turned a knowing blind eye to all the celebrity abuses, such as Saville and Rolf Harris.  More than a few people in positions of trust in sensitive roles turned deliberate blind eyes to horrific abuses and have managed to get away with it.  For me, that's exactly the same type of shocker as this Rotherham situation where weak people failed to act just in case they themselves were criticised.

 

I've seen it in public organisations where senior people will not make tough decisions unless you back them into a corner simply because their opponents in the ongoing organisational politics will use it against them.

 

I agree with all that.  The scale of abuse, particularly of children and young people, is shocking.  And in a number of cases the best case scenario is chronic incompetence, the worst is knowing collusion.

 

(Anyway, must dash, in the interests of research I'm finding out the nationalities of all the Hastings pimps.)


In Topic: Rotherham

Yesterday, 06:01 PM

Instead they try and claim it's a feminist issue or something.

 

You've completely lost me now.  For as long as I've been reading the frothing ramblings of Julie Bindel (referenced in the Moore article) she has been banging on that women's rights have been trampled on both by woolly liberals determined to be all multicultural *and* by the patriarchal forces of conservatism determined to see everything in terms of stable faith-based communities.  I dislike the woman intensely but to claim she, and others like her, have been silent all along and are now trying to claim some kind of hindsight glory is a nonsense.  I couldn't tell you if Moore has done the same but she has, several times, written that it is virtually impossible for poor women of all backgrounds to be taken seriously when claiming sexual abuse.  And that is something that does link this case, Yewtree and a whole host of others.


In Topic: Rotherham

Yesterday, 05:56 PM

The ones around Essex are run by mainly Turks and Poles.  The ones in Aberdeen are run by Italians (Aberdeen is strong outpost of the Italian organised crime gangs), same with most of Glasgow.  The ones in Liverpool are home-grown pimps.  Then there are the Afghan ones who smuggle in their own people and keep them as forced prostitutes in brothels threatening to send them home as impure women for local "justice".  Same with other nationalities.  It's a lucrative business and it's a bit simplistic to point at one town considering the whole country is covered in all nationalities exploiting other nationalities for the illegal sex trade.

 

(Thanks to my police friend for that information, see my next post in about 5 minutes!)

 

There was no sex crime in England until the Moslems arrived and there is no child abuse carried out except by brown men hunting in packs.  The only time sexual abuse is left alone is when the accused and the investigators are concerned they will be called racists.


In Topic: Rotherham

Yesterday, 05:54 PM

On the police bit, a good friend of mine is a policeman of a fairly decent rank.  A few years ago when we were talking about the 2010 convictions for this sort of thing we got onto why the police often come across as the bad guys.  He told me that more than a few constabularies across the UK treat the child crime teams as career killers, mainly because it's often impossible to come out of it looking good even if you're exemplary in the role, therefore they get almost no volunteers, much like being assigned to traffic duties, this means that the senior officers have to appoint people there against their wishes and often against their very natures.  For me, you should only get appointed to these teams if you've got the pre-defined mentality to actually want to work in those areas.  Instead, you get cynical people who don't want to be doing the job and often think they're better than the work, this comes out in how they handle the people that come to them for help, overwhelmingly the unfortunates in society who the police would normally instinctively see as "a suspect".

 

I strongly suspect that a lot of the people who come into their orbit with allegations of being abused are themselves the kind of people that police (and other services) grow weary of seeing.  They are probably annoying low-level anti-social 'criminals' with very little formal education, very little self support structure, jack all prospects and routinely presented as either victim or perpetrator.  In short, the kind of people for whom there will be no happy ending so they are just pushed out of sight until the next time.