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ShotgunGold

Member Since 06 Mar 2010
Offline Last Active Nov 19 2014 09:23 PM
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#3033410 The Golden Boot Shortlist

Posted by ShotgunGold on 15 November 2014 - 09:06 PM

Since Sam Burgess is no longer a rugby league player and therefore shouldn't be considered, there's only one contender for me and that's James Graham.  He's played consistently at the top of his game all season, played just as well for England, especially in the critical game against NZ, and has made a massive positive difference to his club's chances during 2014.  He's simply an outstanding player and should be rewarded for that.

 

The Golden Boot is for the 2014 Rugby League season. Sam Burgess played Rugby League in 2014. Therefore he should be considered, and listed.




#2853577 The RFL and Super League should bring Club Memberships to England

Posted by ShotgunGold on 17 December 2013 - 03:13 PM

Club memberships are quite new to Rugby League, which has traditionally gone down the Season Ticket route, however Memberships have taken off in Australia.

 

They seem to have been given impetus and structure in Australian rules football (AFL) to forge a better relationship between club and all fans wherever they are in the country. They have taken off in that sport since the 1990s. Adelaide Crows had 25,000 members in 1991, and now have 46,000. Hawthorn Hawks (a Melbourne club) went from 10,000 to 63,000 in the same period.

 

The NRL realised that the amount of money and the fan connection that these Membership schemes provided would be important for the future of the sport, and implemented a centralised membership system in around 2007 (or 2006?).

 

As you can expect some clubs have taken to Memberships much better than others. Some were very active early on, others not so much.

 

Last month, Dave Smith of the NRL said he wanted to double membership numbers between 2013 and 2017. He estimated doubling the numbers would add an extra $50 million to Rugby League, on top of the money that is already taken through memberships.

 

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^^^ The NRL has actively put competition at the heart of Memberships. Centralised memberships means club rivalry, which helps boost numbers and support.

 

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^^^ If Canterbury and Parramatta can race to 20,000; why can't St Helens and Wigan race to 20,000?

 

South Sydney Rabbitohs in particular have taken to Memberships. In 2007 they had 9,000, and last year they reached 27,000. The SSR Chief Exec estimated that 25,000 members is $3 million in revenue. They are aiming for 34k in 2014, and 50k in 2017.

 

There is no reason why English RL clubs cannot implement all this and compete.

 

Some clubs like East Hull have announced 'Memberships' for the 2014 - "a new approach to season passes" - but I don't think it's fully developed nor is it being linked in with other clubs. It's not Memberships in the Aussie way, which is a better way.

 

NRL 2007: 113,000 members

NRL 2013: 230,000 members

 

The following are figures for NRL teams in 2013, but I have also included potential figures for Super League teams too, figures that could be achieved in three-five years in my opinion:

 

Rabbitohs - 27k

Broncos - 26k

Rhinos - 20k

Warriors - 19k

Dragons - 19k

Saints - 18k

Bulldogs - 17k

Eels - 17k

Knights - 16k

Hull FC - 15k

Storm - 15k

Wolves - 14k

Dragons - 14k

Roosters - 13k

Bulls - 13k

Giants - 11k

Cowboys - 11k

Sea Eagles - 11k

Tigers - 11k

Tigers - 10k

Sharks - 10k

Hull KR - 10k

Warriors - 10k

Wildcats - 9k

Vikings - 9k

Raiders - 8k

Red Devils - 8k

Titans - 7k

Panthers - 5k

Broncos - 4k

 

Our Championship clubs should also have Memberships and they could compete with the Super League clubs too.

 

So Super League could have say 174k members in a few years. Championship could get 30k-35k members I reckon.

 

Example of possible Membership options (having looked at NRL clubs):

 

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The RFL and Super League should launch Memberships for England, so that we can go toe-to-toe with our Australian counterparts AND so that we can start getting more full houses at matches.

 




#2850667 west yorkshire

Posted by ShotgunGold on 11 December 2013 - 12:55 AM

I think that every single Rugby Union club in England should merge together to make one super England club.

 

We could call it 'ENGLAND' and it could consist of Leeds, Bradford, Calderdale, Kirklees, Wakefield and all of the other parts of England whenceforth.

 

Then the club could just play with itself in one big contested scrum in a place beside Eton next to a massive wall.

 

Because of the wall the 15 players of ENGLAND could then just merge together so that you could have one Super Duper Union player that would consist of a beer belly, no teeth, and a very posh public school accent.

 

Then the Super Duper player could just play with himself until he merges with the wall of Eton. We could call him 'ETON WALL MAN'.

 

Now which is better, Rugby League or Rugby Union?


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#2848955 wtf....league v union

Posted by ShotgunGold on 07 December 2013 - 11:59 PM

If this is true well then I ###### despair...

I'm do damn sick of this sport being so badly run, lacking an ounce of business acumen, nor any continuity whatsoever. It's just bad debt and gimmicks, bad debt and gimmicks.

And I've not actually been following the game or THAT long. I was not watching League ten years ago....

Oh and if BT Sport have $$$ to burn, then why don't they put in a bid for Super League or Chanpionship rights instead. You know: helping the sport and the sport will help your network.


#2847553 Bradford Bulls - not sounding good

Posted by ShotgunGold on 04 December 2013 - 11:28 PM

I see a pattern in why all these clubs are failing: they all have ###### stadiums.

 

I remember seeing an interview with Eamonn McManus last year, done for the opening of Langtree Park. He said that every single match that St Helens played at Knowsley Road they LOST money. Every single match.

 

He also said that at Langtree Park, St Helens could get half their usual attendance, and they would still make a matchday profit.

 

Maintaining and repairing old stadiums are too expensive - they leak money. The lesson is that many of the Yorkshire clubs need a new modern stadium ASAP.




#2846955 Phoenix RL - the future of RL in London

Posted by ShotgunGold on 03 December 2013 - 07:25 PM

If we can entice approx 10 new teams at this level (not easy I know -but Manchester,Leicester and Coventry have been mentioned)then we could have a northern and southern championship1.The biggest issue at most levels of semi-professional and amateur level is thaeamount of travelling involved.Soth Wales v Gateshead just dosen,t make sense -not just from a cost point of view,but also the time involved.

 

Completely agree. It's a very big hurdle to get over. But once we are over it the clubs would save a helluva lot of $$$$$$.

 

North

 

Gateshead

Hunslet

Oldham

York

?

?

?

?

 

South

 

Coventry

Gloucester

Hemel

North London

Oxford

South Wales

?

?

 

Could two conferences of eight be feasible? With joint play-offs and Grand Final. It would really save on $$$, but would still be a great league I think.

 

Neath to Gateshead: 352 miles, 5 hours 23 minutes.

 

Neath to North London: 196 miles, 3 hours 13 minutes

Gateshead to Wrexham: 193 miles, 3 hours 11 minutes.


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#2846949 Why the Hull clubs must merge

Posted by ShotgunGold on 03 December 2013 - 07:12 PM

Yawn.

 

I'm not even a supporter of any Super League club and I'm not Northern but god I feel sorry for Hull fans, Barrow fans, Workington fans, Whitehaven fans, Castleford fans, Featherstone fans, Widnes fans, Wakefield fans etc who constantly have to put up with this utter, utter ######.

 

Merging will alienate large swaths of fans, as it has done in North Sydney and in the Western Suburbs. Clubs never end up with the power, money and influence of adding two or three clubs together would calculate (eg Castleford and Wakefield merged would not mean 16,000 crowds).

 

Please stop. It's getting boring. And stop saying all this is in the name of "progress" and "expansion".

 

I'm all for both - but merging isn't it.




#2845297 Post World Cup Blues

Posted by ShotgunGold on 30 November 2013 - 11:02 PM

Oh for goodness sake!! What is it with this sport and the unrealistic proposals and constant need for change by its fans.

We have had a good World Cup, the World Cup has been set for every four years, the next World Cup will be 2017. Just stick with it!!!! What is the point of switching it once again. Please just stop! It's so damn irritating now.

The other thing people are forgetting is player burnout, hence the lack of internationals in 2012.

Players cannot cope with lots more testing internationals.

A Four Nations every non-WC year, which means 4 matches maximum, plus ONE mid season international is the most we can ask for from players for three in every four years.

Players can't handle more than five internationals a year.

(The WC is different because of lower ranked teams)


#2841132 RLWC ticket sales (merged, including selling tix for final)

Posted by ShotgunGold on 23 November 2013 - 11:20 PM

Attendance

 

England v Australia - Cardiff - 45,052

Wales v Italy - Cardiff - 45,052

PNG v France - Hull - 7,481

New Zealand v Samoa - Warrington - 14,965 - Sold Out

Fiji v Ireland - Rochdale - 8,872 - Sold Out

Tonga v Scotland - Workington - 7,630

USA v Cook Islands - Bristol - 7,247

 

New Zealand v France - Avignon - 17,518 - Sold Out

England v Ireland - Huddersfield - 24,375 - Sold Out

Australia v Fiji - St Helens - 14,137

Wales v USA - Wrexham - 8,019

Scotland v Italy - Workington - 9,280

PNG v Samoa - Hull - 6,871

Tonga v Cook Islands - Leigh - 10,544

 

Scotland v USA - Salford - 6,041

New Zealand v PNG - Leeds - 18,180

England v Fiji - Hull - 25,114 - Sold Out

Australia v Ireland - Limerick - 5,021

Wales v Cook Islands - Neath - 3,270

Tonga v Italy - Halifax - 10,266

France v Samoa - Perpignan - 11,576

 

New Zealand v Scotland - Leeds - 16,207

Australia v USA - Wrexham - 5,762

England v France - Wigan - 22,276

Fiji v Samoa - Warrington - 12,766

 

England v New Zealand - London - 67,545

Australia v Fiji - London - 67,545

 

Total: 498,612

Average: 18,467

 

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Tickets Sold

 

England v Australia - Cardiff - 45,052

Wales v Italy - Cardiff - 0,000

PNG v France - Hull - 7,481

New Zealand v Samoa - Warrington - 14,965 - Sold Out

Fiji v Ireland - Rochdale - 8,872 - Sold Out

Tonga v Scotland - Workington - 7,630

USA v Cook Islands - Bristol - 7,247

 

New Zealand v France - Avignon - 17,518 - Sold Out

England v Ireland - Huddersfield - 24,375 - Sold Out

Australia v Fiji - St Helens - 14,137

Wales v USA - Wrexham - 8,019

Scotland v Italy - Workington - 9,280

PNG v Samoa - Hull - 6,871

Tonga v Cook Islands - Leigh - 10,544

 

Scotland v USA - Salford - 6,041

New Zealand v PNG - Leeds - 18,180

England v Fiji - Hull - 25,114 - Sold Out

Australia v Ireland - Limerick - 5,021

Wales v Cook Islands - Neath - 3,270

Tonga v Italy - Halifax - 10,266

France v Samoa - Perpignan - 11,576

 

New Zealand v Scotland - Leeds - 16,207

Australia v USA - Wrexham - 5,762

England v France - Wigan - 22,276

Fiji v Samoa - Warrington - 12,766

 

England v New Zealand - London - 67,545

Australia v Fiji - London - 0,000

 

Total: 386,015

Average: 13,786

 

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Top 20 Highest Modern World Cup Attendances

 

01. England v New Zealand - London - 67,545 - SF - 2013

++. Australia v Fiji - London - 67,545 - SF - 2013

03. England v Australia - London - 66,540 - F - 1995

04. Australia v New Zealand - Brisbane - 50,599 - F - 2008

05. England v Australia - Cardiff - 45,052 - 2013

 

++. Wales v Italy - Cardiff - 45,052 - 2013

07. Australia v New Zealand - Manchester - 44,329 - F - 2000

08. England v Australia - London - 41,271 - 1995

09. Australia v England - Melbourne - 36,297 - 2008

10. Australia v New Zealand - Sydney - 34,157 - 2008

 

11. England v Australia - 33,758 - London - 2000

12. England v Wales - 30,042 - Manchester - SF - 1995

13. England v New Zealand - Brisbane - 26,659 - SF - 2008

14. England v Fiji - Wigan - 26,263 - 1995

15. England v Fiji - Hull - 25,114 - 2013

 

16. England v Ireland - Huddersfield - 24,375 - 2013

17. England v France - Wigan - 22,276 - 2013

18. New Zealand v Papua New Guinea - Leeds - 18,180 - 2013

19. Cook Islands v Lebanon - 17,612 - Cardiff - 2000

++. Wales v New Zealand - 17,612 - Cardiff - 2000




#2838057 France to tour New Zealand in 2015.

Posted by ShotgunGold on 18 November 2013 - 11:35 PM

This is awful news. We should be having a Four Nations in 2016 not a ###### tour.

It is the twenty first century, there is no reason in this day and age to have tours replacing tournaments.

To make matters even worse, this news also makes it more than likely that the RFL - after all their hard work of creating and promoting TEAM ENGLAND since 2008 - will no doubt now shoot themselves and international rugby league in the foot by bringing out of the skeleton closet Great Unwanted Britain.

I am happy that France are getting more matches but would rather hear them playing in the 2016 4N or 2016 European Cup.

And I certainly will not be watching or supporting 'Great Britain' - those days are over.


#2836973 RLWC ticket sales (merged, including selling tix for final)

Posted by ShotgunGold on 17 November 2013 - 07:01 PM

Attendance

 

England v Australia - Cardiff - 45,052

Wales v Italy - Cardiff - 45,052

PNG v France - Hull - 7,481

New Zealand v Samoa - Warrington - 14,965 - Sold Out

Fiji v Ireland - Rochdale - 8,872 - Sold Out

Tonga v Scotland - Workington - 7,630

USA v Cook Islands - Bristol - 7,247

 

New Zealand v France - Avignon - 17,518 - Sold Out

England v Ireland - Huddersfield - 24,375 - Sold Out

Australia v Fiji - St Helens - 14,137

Wales v USA - Wrexham - 8,019

Scotland v Italy - Workington - 9,280

PNG v Samoa - Hull - 6,871

Tonga v Cook Islands - Leigh - 10,544

 

Scotland v USA - Salford - 6,041

New Zealand v PNG - Leeds - 18,180

England v Fiji - Hull - 25,114 - Sold Out

Australia v Ireland - Limerick - 5,021

Wales v Cook Islands - Neath - 3,270

Tonga v Italy - Halifax - 10,266

France v Samoa - Perpignan - 11,576

 

New Zealand v Scotland - Leeds - 16,207

Australia v USA - Wrexham - 5,762

England v France - Wigan - 22,276

Fiji v Samoa - Warrington - 12,766

 

Total: 363,522

Average: 14,541

 

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Tickets Sold

 

England v Australia - Cardiff - 45,052

Wales v Italy - Cardiff - 0,000

PNG v France - Hull - 7,481

New Zealand v Samoa - Warrington - 14,965 - Sold Out

Fiji v Ireland - Rochdale - 8,872 - Sold Out

Tonga v Scotland - Workington - 7,630

USA v Cook Islands - Bristol - 7,247

 

New Zealand v France - Avignon - 17,518 - Sold Out

England v Ireland - Huddersfield - 24,375 - Sold Out

Australia v Fiji - St Helens - 14,137

Wales v USA - Wrexham - 8,019

Scotland v Italy - Workington - 9,280

PNG v Samoa - Hull - 6,871

Tonga v Cook Islands - Leigh - 10,544

 

Scotland v USA - Salford - 6,041

New Zealand v PNG - Leeds - 18,180

England v Fiji - Hull - 25,114 - Sold Out

Australia v Ireland - Limerick - 5,021

Wales v Cook Islands - Neath - 3,270

Tonga v Italy - Halifax - 10,266

France v Samoa - Perpignan - 11,576

 

New Zealand v Scotland - Leeds - 16,207

Australia v USA - Wrexham - 5,762

England v France - Wigan - 22,276

Fiji v Samoa - Warrington - 12,766

 

Total: 318,470

Average: 12,739

 

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Top 20 Highest World Cup Attendances

 

01. England v Australia - 66,540 - London - F - 1995

02. Australia v New Zealand - Brisbane - 50,599 - F - 2008

03. England v Australia - Cardiff - 45,052 - 2013

++. Wales v Italy - Cardiff - 45,052 - 2013

05. Australia v New Zealand - Manchester - 44,329 - F - 2000

 

06. England v Australia - London - 41,271 - 1995

07. Australia v England - Melbourne - 36,297 - 2008

08. Australia v New Zealand - Sydney - 34,157 - 2008

09. England v Australia - 33,758 - London - 2000

10. England v Wales - 30,042 - Manchester - SF - 1995

 

11. England v New Zealand - Brisbane - 26,659 - SF - 2008

12. England v Fiji - Wigan - 26,263 - 1995

13. England v Fiji - Hull - 25,114 - 2013

14. England v Ireland - Huddersfield - 24,375 - 2013

15. England v France - Wigan - 22,276 - 2013

 

16. New Zealand v Papua New Guinea - Leeds - 18,180 - 2013

17. Cook Islands v Lebanon - 17,612 - Cardiff - 2000

++. Wales v New Zealand - 17,612 - Cardiff - 2000

19. New Zealand v France - Avignon - 17,518 - 2013

20. Australia v New Zealand - 16,608 - Huddersfield - SF - 1995




#2836404 RLWC ticket sales (merged, including selling tix for final)

Posted by ShotgunGold on 16 November 2013 - 11:34 PM

Well I've had a great weekend seeing three games so far!! One match to go :)

 

Oh and we should definitely make 500,000 now guys and perhaps a 17/18k average! Should get 200,000 from Games 25-29.

 

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Attendance

 

England v Australia - Cardiff - 45,052

Wales v Italy - Cardiff - 45,052

PNG v France - Hull - 7,481

New Zealand v Samoa - Warrington - 14,965 - Sold Out

Fiji v Ireland - Rochdale - 8,872 - Sold Out

Tonga v Scotland - Workington - 7,630

USA v Cook Islands - Bristol - 7,247

 

New Zealand v France - Avignon - 17,518 - Sold Out

England v Ireland - Huddersfield - 24,375 - Sold Out

Australia v Fiji - St Helens - 14,137

Wales v USA - Wrexham - 8,019

Scotland v Italy - Workington - 9,280

PNG v Samoa - Hull - 6,871

Tonga v Cook Islands - Leigh - 10,544

 

Scotland v USA - Salford - 6,041

New Zealand v PNG - Leeds - 18,180

England v Fiji - Hull - 25,114 - Sold Out

Australia v Ireland - Limerick - 5,021

Wales v Cook Islands - Neath - 3,270

Tonga v Italy - Halifax - 10,266

France v Samoa - Perpignan - 11,576

 

New Zealand v Scotland - Leeds - 16,207

Australia v USA - Wrexham - 5,762

England v France - Wigan - 22,276

Fiji v Samoa - Warrington -

 

Total: 350,756

Average: 14,615

 

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Tickets Sold

 

Total: 305,704

Average: 12,738




#2836377 RFL withdraw Scotland funding.

Posted by ShotgunGold on 16 November 2013 - 10:48 PM

Personally I think we need to be strategically harsh. I would direct all development money towards France, Serbia and Wales where we have varying degrees of presence. We spread ourselves too thin sometimes

 

Completely completely agree, although some of the RLEF development I think is more down to unpaid volunteers (Latvia etc).

 

This is not putting all our eggs in one basket - it is about investing in the future.

 

That future is in France.

 

The fact of the matter is if we are to take the World Cup, and all the potential $$$ it has for this sport, forward, then an increase in Tier 1 nations is where this will happen.

 

People care about what is happening at the top. In all tournaments in all sports people care about the realistic competitors. In rugby union people care about South Africa and Wales, not about Namibia and Georgia. In football Ukraine and Paraguay will not get people watching, but the Netherlands and Italy will.

 

Forget about expanding the World Cup to 16 teams, or 20 teams, or heck even 32 teams - what we need is a strong France.

 

They already have a 20,000 fanbase, they already have fairly decent media coverage, they already have a squad that is 90% born and bred legitimately French.

 

People underestimate how much more money this sport can get from French television contracts, French sponsorship and French fans. You cannot get this kind of $$$$ in Scotland or in Ireland or in Fiji.

 

The Midi-Pyranees and Languedoc-Rousillon regions of France - some of which is League heartland - has a population of 5,430,000 - more than Scotland, Ireland or Wales. The game should be busting a gut to exploit France.

 

France has every ingredient for a top nation, except of course at decent team. Most (80%+) of the World Cup money should be spent on fully professionalising France so that they can compete (and occasionally beat) England, NZ and Australia.

 

At the moment we have 3 options for the Final, with France it would be 6 options.

At the moment we have 3 duff games for the Four Nations, with a good France we would have a 100% competitive 'who knows?' tournament of seven matches.

 

That is a huge difference to how people, media and sponsors view these tournaments.

 

If France had a hope of actually winning the World Cup or Four Nations, then the likes of beIN TV would be paying us more $$$, international sponsors would give us more $$$ as they would reach a bigger market, more merchandise $$$, even larger French crowds, better profile for Super League, and of course a much bigger profile for the Kangaroos, Kiwis and Lions too.

 

Trust me if we crack France then we will have much more money to invest in the likes of Scotland and Ireland. It will be a worthy investment for the sport. They are 60-70% there I think they just need one more push.

 

Spending money on Scottish development officers, Irish Championship One teams or Ukraine's flights is a much slower investment.




#2835908 RLWC ticket sales (merged, including selling tix for final)

Posted by ShotgunGold on 16 November 2013 - 12:07 PM

I too would not be surprised if the average Leeds Rhinos fan was significantly larger than the average World Cup attendee.


#2831958 How will this world cup effect 2014 4 nations

Posted by ShotgunGold on 10 November 2013 - 08:20 PM

I like the idea of an pacific all star team as no team is capable on there own. Plus more players may commit to playing for one of the pacific nations knowing that they can play in the four nations on a regular bases . I would also look to do the same with Scotland , Ireland and wales as the Celtic nations team. Like wise more players may commit to playing for one of those three nations knowing that they will be playing regular at the top table. So to me a five nations comp could be the way to go. Australia , New Zealand , England , Celtic Nations and the Pacific All Stars. Playing down under next year the in UK the year after. Also a semi pro European comp with players chosen from national league  and below. Looking at the possible 5 nations comp down under next season we could give New Zealand one round New Zealand v England and Pacific Islands All Stars v Celtic Nations.       

 

Are you serious?? Celtic Nations?? And what about all the new Welsh, Scottish and Irish fans of our game who don't simply want to be lumped in together?? What if Australia said "well let's lump England and France together as England aren't competitive enough".

 

There's no point trying to solve a problem if you are just going to create other ones.

 

Ultimately the RLIF should be intelligent enough now to realise that they cannot manufacture nations. 'Pacific Island All Stars' is not a nation and if they do go through with it I hope it pisses off the people of Samoa, Tonga and Fiji as it's a stupid idea.

 

I like a British Isle team as per the Lions in RU or a GB team... having a tour every 4 years to Australia and or  NZ.  It is extremely successful concept in RU, gets huge exposure and fan interest and hence does a lot for the game with respect to commercial and sponsorship opportunities for the game due to the exposure.  Have to be a numskull not to replicate it if possible but doesn't mean it will automatically be a successful concept again but RL can't be too sniffy about anything that gives such huge exposure and hence commercial interest in the sport.  It didn't matter at all that sometimes one nation dominates the selections with regard to the RU Lions.   Although it is trickier given the difference between the home nations in RL.

 

Great Britain was no more or no less successful as a concept than England is currently. In fact remembering the 2007 Test Series I would say it's probably a little less. There is still no strong argument for actually reviving what should stay as a dead and buried piece of rugby league history.

 

Anyone could cobble together a hypothetical format for tournaments etc. The most important thing as far as I'm concerned is that all of the nations involved in the RLWC get to play in regular, meaningful full-strength international fixtures.

 

Don't we know it! Sometimes reading some ideas on here you are glad that the RLIF and RFL actually do run the game and not some of the posters on here!

 

I would still advocate regularity, simplicity and repetition. It's what other sports have done for donkeys years but we do seem to like to chop and change things all the damn time.

 

2014 Four Nations in Australia: Aus, NZ, Fra, Eng

2015 Four Nations in England: Aus, NZ, Fra, Eng

2016 Four Nations in England: Aus, NZ, Fra, Eng

2017 World Cup in Australia

2018 Four Nations in New Zealand: Aus, NZ, Fra, Eng

2019 Four Nations in England: Aus, NZ, Fra, Eng

2020 Four Nations in Australia: Aus, NZ, Fra, Eng

2021 World Cup in England/Wales/France

2022 Five Nations in Australia: Aus, NZ, Fra, Eng, Wales

2023 Five Nations in France: Aus, NZ, Fra, Eng, Wales

 

Really the 2014 Four Nations should actually be here in England again so as to align the Four Nations and World Cup together.

 

The reason I think we should have the same four teams is so that we can actually see some improvement in the fourth team.

 

The reason I have picked France is because they have the greatest potential for having a sustainable professional squad, a good fan base, the ability to host matches, ability to attract sponsors and $$$, ability to get a great TV deal etc. Pacific Island nations do not have this.

 

2014 Pacific Cup: PNG, Samoa, Tonga, Fiji, Cooks

2014 European Cup: Ireland, Scotland, Wales, Italy

2014 Atlantic Cup: USA, Canada, Jamaica

 

2015 Same

2016 Same

2017 World Cup in Australia

2018 Same but add a fifth European Cup nation

2019 Same but add a fourth Atlantic Cup nation

2020 Same

2021 World Cup in England/Wales/France

2022 Replace Wales with a different European nation

2023 Same

 

See how simple and regular all this is? England football, rugby union and cricket fans will recognise. This is what the sport needs: gradual progression.