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  1. The Parksider

    toronto

    What a load of nonsense, the North broke from the South due to class differences in 1895, and built the very real game we have today across Yorkshire and Lancashire. The 1895 pioneers would view TWP just as any honest persons would. It's just a rich man putting 30 players from here into Canadian shirts and pretending this is expansion.......... It isn't. I guess making this convoluted analysis is a great way of avoiding the much simpler truth about TWP?? If you can see "The good" it then you and others certainly cannot ever articulate it, and won't do it when asked. It's 30 blokes from here dressed up as a Canadian side because one rich Australian wants his own club in his own backyard. Your good at chucking the insults at those who ask what this "good" is as some sort of justification for this charade. But then that is a major tactic used on here to avoid the truth about TWP. One guy posted a picture of a Dinosaur and said it was me. Just his way of avoiding the truth I suppose? I've waited over two years for answers to my questions about TWP. I have pointed out that their plan was to convert grid iron players to RL (didn't happen) then develop Canadian juniors with Canada RL (didn't happen) then bring in other North American clubs (didn't happen) then capture a massive NATV deal (didn't happen). You and every other TWP apologist have avoided acknowledging these four realities. What you and other apologists often do to ignore the truth about these four core aims Perez and Argyle completely failed to deliver, is make up other stuff to argue about that is totally irrelevant to the gigantic failure that has been Wolfpack, against it's own four publicly stated core ambitions, and try to switch the argument away from TWP's major failings. Then you complain I won't answer those dummy arguments. It's a way to avoid the truth isn't it? When I pushed you hard to answer TWP's failings you called for me to be banned. Another way of avoiding the truth. That's fine by me, what is in them is me pointing out Toronto's massive failure to deliver anything they actually promised the game here. On almost a daily basis I ask and the so called replies either switch the argument to talk about irrelevant issues, or insults are thrown, or bans are called for to avoid answering the truth of these four core questions.. You can see this in every TWP backslapping thread telling us how magnificent they are, to which I then point out they failed on all four of their core pillars of their Transatlantic plan. Leaving the situation even Perez himself pointed out that if we just have TWP on their own that doesn't add anything to the game. Just need someone big enough to admit the truth and we could move the debate on.
  2. The Parksider

    toronto

    1. If Rugby Union in Canada with its 324 clubs and 30,000 players is so far down the pecking order then that is why I see Rugby League in Canada with only few clubs and players even further down the Canadian pecking order that that. As I have often said RL in Canada died completely out TWICE and TWP are not actually reviving the corpse. They ignore Canada RL. This is a fact??? 2. I think most actually understand my viewpoint, their problem is they have no real argument and that is where the name calling comes from. it's a way of avoiding a debate when you are losing it. Calling for me to be banned is even lower than that, it is despicable. 3. As has been said on this thread once in Superleague TWP will get a lot of stick for being nothing of any substance, just a rich mans plaything, and it's his money NOT TWP's attractiveness that keeps them going forward. This is pretty indisputable. Take him away and there will be nothing left 4. What's still alive is a fully professional league with a large TV deal so let's not latch onto the idea if that is wobbling the saviour of this if the slide goes on is clubs that CANNOT attract a paying TV deal to share or develop Professional players. With respect that is absurd. I may also add that TWP came into the game promising professional players and TV money to add to the game here and grow it. You just cannot logically get away with telling me that TWP have much value to us when they failed to do both those things. I have read about a dozen posts a day for over 2 years from Canadian fans and to date none of them have responded to my point that Argyle and Perez have failed to bring to the game what they promised. Wether you insult me or not is a moot point, it's the failure to answer my simple and straightforward point that is the issue. Now you sound like a great guy. If you can find it in yourself to just admit that TWP failed to bring the two big things to the game they promised we can move the debate on, and I promise you I won't just gloat and call for them to be booted out. Can you manage this good sir??
  3. The Parksider

    toronto

    Your problem is entirely that you do not agree with me and do not like me pointing out that TWP are becoming a shambles. The level of the paying crowd is 3,500, the club will never produce any Canadian Superleague quality players, the club on their own as Perez says will never attract a significant TV deal, no more expansion in NA will happen now the World cup is dead there, Union will make sure wherever there is any League it has a stronger presence to quash it, and finally TWP create a logistical nightmare in terms of the dreadful travel distances, and playing home games in Europe due to VISA issues just about puts the lid on the whole thing. You have been on here two years and daily the board rules are broken by the nasty insults that regularly come my way with people calling me various forms of "Idiot" and encouraging others to "ignore" me which is their choice not your instruction. To want the moderators to remove me entirely so you do not have to listen to an alternative view would render free speech dead and make this board a TWP appreciation club. Why not start your own website and use your own ban on free speech/people who disagree with you. It's not that I represent the viewpoint of a lot of people, it is also that the alternative viewpoint is wishful thinking and I do not feel it is in any way discourteous to say people are dreamers on this issue. There is nothing wrong with dreaming about your club or sport being successful. In my head my team cannot stop winning cups even though they last won one in 1962. I present the real life view because the result of accepting the Perez plan would be the destruction of the game. Please will people allow me to defend the game I have supported for decades Having been in the game since 1965 I know that the vast majority of fans know full well RL is a traditional version of Rugby that is appreciated the world over but only really works where historically it dominates RU because the locals prefer it whether PNG, Australia or the M62. Our strength is our tradition, our strength is the communities who have grown up in League areas. IF our strength is waning here transferring the game to where it cannot take root in solid Union ground is just a quicker death. We have been taking what we think is "The greatest game" around the country and the world for well over a century. We managed to get it going in southern France and Australia, who managed to get PNG going. The problem is that Rugby Union are naturally doing exactly the same. They have a far richer, far more global, far bigger played and supported version of Rugby we have to compete against. Not only that in modern times they changed their rules to make the re-cycling of the ball quicker to open play and bring it more in line with league. In short they compete directly with us and they dominate us outside the traditional areas. So no we can't take the M62 game to Canada. They are very happy with Rugby Union, many tens of thousands play, administer and watch it there. They professionalise clubs wherever there is a RL threat, Ontario Arrows , New York RU. Mr. Argyle cannot beat them so you see him joining in with Ontario RU... Our future lies in keeping the game alive along the M62 and southern France. It is no good calling me a dinosaur, or unambitious etc. I've been in business many years now and despite what people think businesses fail far far more than they succeed often because the competition is fierce and people prefer other products and services to yours and do not easily change. That's where we are, North America is dead so we have to support what's still alive, and what still has a market as small as it is. Now will YOU call for me to be banned for daring to say this...........
  4. The slow demise of RL here is a matter of public choice about how they spend their lesiure time and money. The people at the RFL were never responsible for inheriting a regional game under great pressure from Soccer, RU and NRL and changing social trends. Yet for the thousandth time on here someone thinks it's clever to kick them and demand to know why they haven't developed Rugby League to the point where all other sports have had to pack in and admit we really are "The greatest game" The RFL have little money, and have made redundancies accordingly to keep going, even the RFU have made redundancies on the issue of losing money at their world cup tournaments so why not look it up, not make it up?? Desperate times call for desperate measures, but the thing about TWP and TO are they are not full members, they are overseas guest clubs been given a chance to show us that they can expand the game accordingly. THEY ASKED they were not invited. It's quite right if they want to play in the Challenge cup but they may cause a heavy loss due to their fans situation then they indemnify the RFL accordingly. Argyle has shown no commitment to developing players one iota, and despite the big talk not one $$dollar of TV money has been seen either. Same for TO who were equally asked by SL bosses to add to the playing pool and the TV income. When people talk about these clubs as "expansion" I think you will find TO have been around since 1937. I think you will find that last season TWP showed this country in the cup at Warrington they were just (very bad tempered and poor sports) players from here wearing shirts with TWP on them pretending to somehow be "expansion". The world cup dream died in America recently and that was the supposed catalyst for Perez's TWP and Montreal etc. or Moores alternative professionalising of the USARL. That is all dead now. I therefore doubt Mr, Argyle (Do you "call him god" by the way? Geddit?) is going to do much more now than just go through the motions and get himself a Superleague place. SL17 is right that the RFL should call him out to indemnify them, and his refusal to do so does not bode well for the game in terms of putting much into TWP so they can actually add anything to our game. They are set to remain a bunch of players from here pretending to be Canadian playing "home" games in Europe because of visa issues but pretending to be spreading the word. I can't imagine how our once proud game would look if the Final was ever The Pretenders.v.Toulouse!!! Oh and can you stop turning into the biggest troll on here young man, your my Canadian mate and your showing me up quite badly.......
  5. The Parksider

    2025 World Cup - Not in US

    Wolfpack are not growing, no player development at all and only 3,500 paying fans. Other "potential clubs" never even existed in the first place. Impossible to hold a World Cup there. Delusional. So an RL playing country with a long history is a "pipe dream" yet a country that doesn't really play league above a few union players having a go, and where a rich Aussie RL enthusiast imports a team to play for him, should be considered? Irony post of the year. TWP are exclusively imported players. 3 ridiculous posts which want to deprive proper RL playing countries and areas from enjoying a turn at hosting a World cup tournament. Fair play to you having dropped the ridiculous Canadian sham and come back into the real world. Let those who play and watch the game enjoy world cups in their respective countries and areas. How ridiculous to deprive the family of RL a World Cup for goodness sake, because some Aussie has invented his own team somehwere there's no interest in RL. Well done, seen the light at last.......
  6. The Parksider

    toronto

    If there are plenty of long term benefits then name them please. When you say you duck in and out of this debate it shows how you "fail" to pick up on important things like Perez himself saying TWP would bring no benefits to the game on their own (which is also not a "misquote"). As for you going all shy about being "misquoted" you were not misquoted you said TWP "“doesn’t feel sustainable and is fragile” So hardly a ringing endorsement of their own stated intention to save RL here through a Transatlantic League that will bring hundreds of £Millions of dollars to the game. Come back to me when one of these fake clubs dislodge your own from Superleague. If the Toronto model worked and $$Billionaires in North America came forward in numbers to open up RL clubs in Toronto, Montreal New York, Philadelphia, Jacksonville and Boston why do you think it would or should stop there? Also mooted on here have been Pittsburg, Hamilton, Halifax Nova Scotia and Vancouver. Why run a league half made up of foreign places like Wigan and Hull when if the whole league was North American the projected massive NA sports TV deal Perez talks about would be even "massiver" still. The naive amongst us really think the Transatlantic League won't in the end be used to transfer RL there. Lock stock and Barrel. This to me is the utter dreamland of what is supposed to be a serious debate. Are the two conferences of east and west north american clubs? Or are they six clubs in NA and only six clubs here(if so see above) ? If the former, does this country just run Junior ARL here to stock clubs in North America? One clown only the other day suggested recruitment to Junior ARL here will boom if this may lead to the lads being signed up in the USA. Oooohhhhh the glamour of it all!!! Imagine it, plane loads of players living here going there to play their RL, with 6 English clubs happy to lose all these players and their SL status, and the six remaining all having to travel 7,000 miles several times a year for Argyles bunk beds and mouldy sandwiches. "MONKEY LOVER" "TWP set up two companies in order to get around the Visa issue and then found out the companies need to be 3 years old to be able to do that. Last year they got round it by Bradford registering the players who would need a visa and then loan them to Toronto (obviously this was not made public) however this year the RFL have closed that loop hole meaning Noble is now scratching around trying to get games played in Europe to avoid having effectively a Home Squad and an Away squad" What a shambles, but according to the TWP apologists they were playing games in Europe to "promote the game" with all their "glamour", and "marketing brilliance" in what is the "breath of fresh air" they bring to the game..........It actually stinks....
  7. The Parksider

    toronto

    Thanks for the post. You may be typical of thousands of RL fans here who don’t realise there isn’t a “Team from Canada”, nor will there be because TWP deliberately do not have a policy to develop Canadian or even USA players. They actually sacked what few they had at the start. They ship the whole squad from here to Toronto because the mega-rich owner who is Australian is based there and albeit he boasts of travelling the world regularly, clubs here still have to go to him. You speak of “Long term benefits” but you do not state what they are, and I cannot think of any. You probably assume some sort of expansion for the game? There was talk of more NA clubs but nobody from North America ever followed on, nobody from North America wanted to invest in RL and since the collapse of the World cup there nobody ever will. You say you’d “bend over backwards” to help them if you were the “head of the RFL”. Do you not realise the RFL have little power and no money, whilst the TWP owner is a $$Billionnaire? His own investment is a mere few $Million only and he’s careful how he spends that, currently there a court case over TWP’s operations here, and the sandwiches and beds afforded to visiting players you would not put up with. You say their position “doesn’t feel sustainable and is fragile” but fail to analyse why. I conclude that you are with respect one of tens of thousands of RL fans here who have only a passing interest in the curiosity that is TWP and may only pay a cursory glance at the headlines they pump out via their PR guru's about North American expansion to the point of turning our game here Transatlantic from which $$Billions will flow. We are regrettably a declining game having to welcome any money from anywhere sadly under any circumstances. When you have a TV contract that doesn’t pay enough for the game to be fully professional you rely on a cabal of rich owners, and when they walk away like O’Connor, Koukash and Beaumont Superleague starts to unravel, and when the TV sponsors threaten a lower contract next time anyone will do even if it means sending a team to Toronto to play out the fantasy this mega rich owner has brought RL to North America. As you rightly perceive in your closing remarks "TWP are not a true engagement with the heart and soul of the sport, and I don't think (they) ever could be"....... How very very true that is good sir, and over time thousands like you will learn the truth......
  8. The Parksider

    toronto

    Where is the proof of grid iron players and working with Canada RL on young players?, Where is the proof Montreal, Hamilton, Philadelphia and Jacksonville are on their way? Where is the proof American TV would have any interest in paying $$Millions for a foreign game including foreign clubs? At least I can tell you the complimentary tickets was Scott Lidbury talking to the BBC. The issue there is that the paying audience is 3,500 so all the claims that TWP have set Toronto alight when Toronto has a 2,732,000 population is just more fakery. I fail to see how Toronto being promoted to SL and say Leeds being relegated will change the issue of clubs playing each other several times unless your talking about going to 14 or 16 clubs in SL but the quality player shortage is so grave that we nearly dropped to 10 SL clubs here a few years ago, and Superleague tried again to drop to 10 (in the 2x10 proposals) in January this year but the championship clubs scuppered it. Had they achieved this TWP would have been locked out had they won the MPG. They were publicly told this by Rimmer in January but events took over............... I've dealt with this many times and he would not have been saying this had Superleague gone to the ten clubs they planned to go to in January this year, for the coming 2019 season because of the declining number of quality players. There is also the issue of a declining number of wealthy backers and that started when Hughes at London could no longer fund the club to SL levels in 2014, and still can't. Equally Koukash leaving Salford has left them with little capability of competing in Superleague, and of course Widnes have lost Steve O'Connor and their SL place after being unable to buy players to compete in SL. The loss of those rich owners was TWP's ticket to SL Adam Pearson knows full well TWP are a fake club, but a fake club with money that can make the numbers up in terms of a fully funded Superleague team. In January when a drop to 10 was on TWP were told they would not be allowed in Superleague. Once the 10 club SL was defeated the SL clubs dropped the ban on TWP but only because Argyle openly offered to make the numbers up in Superleague in return for TWP not taking a share of the SKY TV money. This is why Argyle doesn't need to bother developing any players any more and doesn't bother with Canada RL. He's effectively paid for an SL place, and this is a sad and sorry state of affairs. The Transatlantic league remains a complete fairy story, and TWP won't make any friends running round as a fake Canadian club, and no more bogus clubs which are in no way "expansion" will come along, because there was only ever one in the first place. As 2020 looms we are facing the deep cut in SKY funding when Superleague will simply have to go to ten clubs (Unlesss Perez captures that $$Billion Dollar North American TV deal🤣) and TWP may well no longer be needed as a stop gap. Anyway Argyle has a stake in a London club now so that may be his insurance in that he can pitch his London Skolars club for Superleague for 2021 on..... And where will that leave TWP, you Bearman and Ommott???
  9. The Parksider

    toronto

    At the time Nigel Wood of the RFL and Superleague had fallen out for good. Wood was planning to go to the RL International Federation for a plum job on a massive salary so a TV deal was far from his mind. TWP asked to join the RFL talking garbage about transatlantic expansion. Wood was in a way trapped. How could this budding Internationalist turn down such a plan without losing his international credibility?. He didn't turn it down, he didn't bother to consult Superleague, and in not doing either it was no skin off his nose, he got his International job and left his old foes with the problem of this bogus Canadian club they didn't want. Anyway read on (not that you have not heard this before and ignored it before......) Perez said at the start this was never just a one club project. "When we started this journey, we knew that one team is not enough to yield what you need to yield from the market. Now that Toronto is up and running and in a very good place it's time to fulfil that destiny and get the next teams set up. Toronto was the first of its kind, so a test project”. "We are looking to make Super League the most commercially viable competition, apart from the Premiership, that plays in the northern hemisphere. To do that you need to have more North Americans, at least five or six clubs in SL in the next 10 years." “The RFL voted unanimously to allow us to enter the league. We will be working with the CRL to develop a strong talent pool. Our goal is to build a competitive Super League level club from day 1 but also focus on investing in player development here in Canada so that we can build our homegrown talent”. Eric Perez Here we go Gentlemen, all 30 of you read it and then tell me that TWP are of any value as it stands when their own mastermind says they are not. They are just a market tester and 3,500 paying fans and not even any effort to produce players says they have failed. No more North American clubs coming in, again means failed. But in any case the plan was to put six North American clubs in SL in 10 years, Even all you dreamers agree there would be no Canadian/USA players even then. The plan was for NA clubs to replace English clubs via P & R for a Transatlantic league. And you 30 guys really believe that people who run, watch and sponsor clubs from Salford, Huddersfield, East Hull, Castleford, Widnes and Wakefield who would have to be relegated to make way would happily go along with this without a peep? Get real. You 30 really believe fans here want six away fixtures a year they can’t get to. Do you believe that they want to watch squads of players who come from here running around calling themselves New York and Montreal? Do you really think that kids here will want to play RL or adults here teach, organise and coach it with this ridiculous charade going on?? A ridiculous charade whereby every week squads of players all from here are flying exhausting 7,000 mile round trips for pretend games between Hamilton.v.Leeds, New York.v.Wigan, Jacksonville.v.Hull etc. The game would lose all credibility and be a total laughing stock. I’d have said at one time you could not make this stuff up, but Perez did. He took his chance and asked Wood for entry, but avoided asking Superleague as they would have sent him packing. He played on the split. Anyway how anyone at all can actually swallow this rubbish is way beyond me. Still 30 people on an RL website against up to 150,000 people involved in RL here who won't want a sham transatlantic League is only a tiny minority in favour.......
  10. The Parksider

    toronto

    1. The reality is they dish out free tickets like confetti, and their crowd levels are dubious. If you want to ignore the article that stated they averaged 7,000 fans but only half of them paid, then that's fine but it's a fantasy they are great marketeers. 3.500 paying fans and the club runs at an admitted loss which you will have read but cannot accept as it blows your dream.. 2. If it was a good one to convert Grid Iron players then why do you excuse them dropping the idea the minute they were admitted to the RFL? 3. PLEASE DO NOT MAKE IT UP look it up. The Perez plan was to obtain a TV contract by making Superleague Transatlantic by replacing 5-6 SL clubs here with North American clubs. That was the trigger for an alleged massive TV deal. It is impossible to have a sensible debate if people like you dive in and make it all up to then pretend it's all great. 4. Its disgusting you excuse the $$Billionaire from making an effort to develop players and attack two volunteers at Canada RL. How low can you get to try to defend your fantasy. 5. Your admission that you "don't see" says it all. Frank, Grow up man. Attacking me as a means of discrediting my points is childish and ignorant. It's been tried hundreds of times before. I don't think YOU are a true RL supporter, because you clearly favour a transatlantic league and you welcome Toronto. No doubt you would welcome New York. Then Hamilton, Boston Philadelphia and Jacksonville. All five of these alleged clubs have been tipped publicly as the clubs to follow TWP to form a Transatlantic League. TWP announced this was the plan two years ago, they publicly said it needed half of Superleague to be North American to get that massive TV deal. What is more they said just having Toronto in SL would not trigger any financial benefit So stick to the point man and cut the childish personal attacks. Now you think I am in the minority?. Well I can count and every day up to 30 pro-TWP, Pro North American fans tell me the expansion to North America is wonderful and glamorous and a breath of fresh air and several other vacuous plaudits. But do you think all the fans on the terraces of Fartown, Cas, Wakey, Salford, HKR and Widnes - about 40,000 of them will put up with their clubs moving out of Superleague to make way for the American dream? Do you think the wealthy chairmen like Lenegan, Davey, Hudgell, Caddick, Carter, Fulton, Pearson, McManus etc will want to carry on if their club is not in Superleague or if they lose their derby games, or if they have to get on a plane for a gruelling 7,000 mile round trip six times and more a year? Do you think the other 80,000 fans of the clubs here want to see TWP, NA, Philly, Boston etc and not get to see Cas, Bradford, Wakey and Fartown. I can tell you the 15,000 Leeds fans don't want any more of this phoney baloney they had to watch in the qualifying game against TWP. They knew it was 30 players from here dressing up as Canadians. And ultimately do the committees and coaches at clubs like Lock Lane, St. Josephs, Stanley, Eastmoor, Wyke etc want to run Junior ARL here only for their lads to face a future where going over to North America is the end result as they don't play RL and don't develop pro players there. TWP ship over 30 players there so the Transatlantic clubs will want 180 on planes every week. The bottom line is you are delirious if you think you are in the majority on this topic?? Wake up and smell the coffee, TWP are the start of a Transatlantic league. Go out and try to tell thousands of fans here what a great idea it is - then let me know how you get on? I can tell you now that the family of RL here of about 150,000 people directors, coaches, fans, players at all levels in the game do not want a Transatlantic League. That was the plan if you look it up and if you do look it up look out for Perez himself openly stating there would be no point to TWP unless we accepted the Transatlantic league because TWP on their own could not deliver anything tangible, which we can see is actually true. Except a lot of fantasising amongst 30 dreamers on an RL website talking glamour and breaths of fresh air.......
  11. The Parksider

    toronto

    Ommot my friend, my same argument is repeated because it is literally never answered. Instead you play the game of "you need to give it time" and you say stuff like "it's only been going 2 years". Argyle is not developing players especially grid iron ones, he promised and not Canada RL players. There are no more NA clubs coming in so there is no paying TV deal. For two years he has ignored these things and he is set to ignore them for another two years and so on and so on. You and the nasty brigade need to face it that TWP are not developing anything, not excuse it...... Please don't shut out reality. Forget how rich Argyle is and look at how little he actually spends on TWP. He resents paying travel/accom/food etc and we have lots of complaints about him skimping on that. He spends nothing on development of players which people don't like, and as you will see below TWP are on a tight budget in which Argyle expected Superleague to give him SKY TV money. It's time to wake up from the dream and time to start asking questions of Argyles real commitment. Melbourne made the investments. As for Sheffield it's 34 years now and it has failed. It teaches us a lot especially that we have to hold onto the M62 game tight or we will lose that. ANYWAY READ THESE QUOTES FROM TWP's OWN MOUTHS..... "Argyle says the Wolfpack attracted a little more than 1,000 British visitors to Toronto last season and an estimated 3,000 this year. Next year, if in Super League, they hope to attract 15,000 tourists to their home games. The franchise is also bidding to host a Tier 1 international match here—possibly at BMO Field—which could bring another 10,000 visiting fans. “Now we’re giving them a real reason to come see” (So argyle is selling his club as a reason to have a holiday break, if that’s the case we’re better off with Benidorm RLFC) "The club admits it made a financial loss last year, but insists that was expected as part of a longer-term business plan designed to reach the riches of the top tier of rugby league. (so all they wanted was our SKY money which Lenegan spotted in January) Mr Lidbury adds: "It would not be the end of the world if we did not go up the business can sustain its various outgoings. Super League would bring a huge financial boost in terms of TV rights money from Sky" (yep all they wanted was to take our SKY money whilst pretending there were American TV contracts down the line)…. Last season's budget was 3.4m Canadian dollars ($2.7m; £2m) The Wolfpack's main financial backer is Australian mining tycoon David Argyle, says Mr Lidbury. "He has a very strong vision, he is a big driver of Toronto as a regional centre of rugby excellence, for both codes." (In reality then he promotes Rugby Union as there is virtually no league) Chief executive and club founder Eric Perez secured the use of 10,000-seater Lamport Stadium in Toronto, and last year average home gates were a healthy 7,000 (though half of those attending had complimentary tickets)". (so the real paying attendances are 3,500 straight from the horses mouth) “I think the scepticism is well-founded,” Argyle accepts.“It should be open to lots of debate. Hopefully we can settle the debate by the achievements to date on the field and off the field. We highly encourage people to come over and have the holiday of their life". (Here we go again it’s not about RL it’s about holidays) "Plans are being put in place to create their own school’s programme, with Argyle’s end goal being a Toronto team regular turning out Canadian players, with their pathways eventually providing a larger player pool for other clubs across the globe" (It can’t be league, they won’t even say hello to Canada RL, must be that Union development scheme above) Should they make Super League, they plan to take some of their home games across Europe, with Dublin and Copenhagen two potential locations. (and Belgrade - bit of a blow to their 3,500 fans but all done to ingratiate themselves with the RFL/SL and give Argyle some weekend breaks). Wake up and smell the coffee RP. This isn't development it's just a bit of fun for Argyle.
  12. The Parksider

    toronto

    So you "enjoy the ride" even though you know it is "going sour". You want me to be "positive about exciting stuff" which appears to be to you the fantasy rubbish Perez pedals. Don't you find real life Rugby League positive and exciting Mushy? If you do not, I certainly do and I do not want the game tainted by this idiotic garbage....... Eric Perez is set to launch bids for two more North America rugby league sides. "Eric Perez is in advanced talks with two professional sports clubs, believed to be in Hamilton and Boston, and will begin negotiations with the Rugby Football League in the next few days. And he's hoping that both clubs can be launched by 2019 and 2020."I'm hoping (dreaming more like) that within the next six months we can make a formal announcement," Perez told BBC Sport. Eric Perez is the founder and CEO of the Toronto Wolfpack. "We've had a few years to think this through it was not an overnight decision. There are a few factors that need to be considered. Travel and sleep is the first that usually pops We certainly recognize the potential impact of jet lag and we have retained the best Canada has to offer in sleep therapy to implement strategies to manage this. This includes sleep education (on optimal sleep strategies) to coaches and players, optimizing the travel schedule and deploying jet lag counter measures. As a result, we feel this will not have any material impact on player performance (yeh you would say that). Our road game schedules (what? when did these happen?) will be at appropriate times for our Canadian fan base from Victoria, BC to St. Johns' Newfoundland". Eric Perez. “Given the popularity of Rugby League around the world coupled with the excellent branding work of McLaren McCann with our iconic logo, I believe potential sponsors recognize the global impact our brand can have. We have been approached by airlines, sports equipment providers, sports books, social media providers, tech, ride sharing and of course alcohol providers".(The great perez pulls those valuable sponsors in from all over - in his dreams) Eric Perez: We will be working with the CRL (🤣🤣🤣) to develop a strong talent pool. "The team is privately owned -- the majority owners being myself and David Argyle. Our owners are in this for the long haul. Our goal is to build a competitive Super League level club from day 1 but also focus on investing in player development here in Canada (utter garbage)so that we can build our homegrown talent. We will be certainly pushing our potential sponsors on our vision for immediate success and long term growth". Eric Perez: "Our personal upside is to someday be Super League Champion which I believe is the goal of every team in the RFL. Walking into a sold out Old Trafford stadium for the finals and watching the Toronto Wolfpack take the field would be a dream come true. We can also grow a North American Rugby League. There is already interest from U.S. cities in the northeast (garbage) who are watching closely (more garbage). Our long-term goal is to organically grow the sport in Canada and the U.S. and see Touch Rugby (based on Rugby League code) grow in the elementary and high school levels (even more fantasy garbage). This game is beloved in so many countries, now it's our turn". To all you gentlemen on here who appear to enjoy fantasy over reality, could it be you've actually had enough of our game? It appears to me if you prefer these dreams to reality it could be time for you to find something else, something more real, to follow?
  13. The Parksider

    toronto

    This is 100% wrong. The clubs that win the trophies inc. Warrington, Wigan, Saints, Leeds, Hull, Catalans, Bradford and the clubs that get to finals like Castleford and Huddersfield, and the old "cup kings" Widnes are the games strongest clubs due to a very long and traditional history where they have built roots for the game (The oldest is probably 154 years old the youngest 83 years old). Those amongst them (not TWP) with the richest owners of course will dominate at any one time. But they all have the advantage of access to a local quality player pool emanating from the fact a lot of Rugby traditionally played in the north, and played by serious athletes is League. They all sign and develop these players TWP do not. 100% wrong... It's a fact You cannot put NA clubs in SL and kick out English clubs as you throw the baby out with the bathwater. Had we lost Widnes for TWP that would have been a nail in our coffin as would "Montreal" for Wakefield or "New York" for Castleford - that was the plan -please discuss that not ignore it see below 1,000 times NO NO NO. Mr. Perez was clear that the only way to a big TV deal from North America, that would replace SKY and their piddling £200 Million deal, was to develop 5-6 North American SL clubs and make the league transatlantic. That is a fact so please do not make rubbish up. The Superleague bosses and senior players were clear that the issue with the player pool was not that there weren't enough "professionals" it was 100% about a lack of quality talent. So it's not 100% about paying players more it's about quality players. We lose some fantastic quality players to the NRL and a few to RU like two England half backs Ford and Farrel who once would have played league, plus others. The quality isn't there, please do not make it up that it is there. Salford and HKR closed their academies because there was not the depth of talent. Out of every 100 kids who try for a career in RL via the academies two make it if that. The hope was that the thousands of quality college grid iron players in America who do not male pro's would be talented enough to convert to Rugby league, which is what Argyle and Perez promised to do and completely reneged on. This is why for a sensible debate we want facts and not excuses. The false idea silly oxford posts that TWP would start junior ARL in time is utterly false. Perez said Grid Iron is full of youths who are strong, can run, can tackle and pass and could make great RL players. Perez and Argyle reneged on this....................... Soccer does well here with a 20 club league and five dominant clubs. RL survives OK with a 12 club league and four dominant clubs. Other clubs get their day like Les Catalan cup winners, and Hull FC multi challenge cup winners. Huddersfield London and HKR have got to finals. Bradford also won lot's of trophies in the SL era. I was challenged on the idea "who decides" what is a major or minor point or not in this debate, but it isn't even that these points made to justify TWP are just wrong. As is the disgusting antics of East Coast Tiger. I am sorry TWP have deeply disappointed us but it's a fact. I would love Argyle to go back and try those grid iron conversions, or go forward and put his money into making London Skolars that "big city club" that Toronto fans insist will succeed. I think he could do that and we may recall the club Maranta and Branson owned getting to the Challenge cup final at Wembley and being runners up in Superleague. I am so sorry, but as it stands Canada doesn't work if your not going to develop players, if your going to cause highly troublesome 6,000 mile round trips for games, and if your going to destroy clubs here to put in clubs there that allegedly would attract a massive NA TV deal (Which I believe was an out and out mistruth to blag a place in SL - evidenced by no NA clubs actually following them) then it certainly does not and never can work. If your going to be allowed to stick around fine, that's the RFL/SL decision, but please gentlemen don't keep peddling nonsense, let's just enjoy it for what it is. A novelty plaything....
  14. The Parksider

    toronto

    My replies in bold italics.........
  15. The Parksider

    toronto

    Thank you for your interest, you are however way off the mark and most of your information and analysis is incorrect. FACT 1. TWP never offered junior RL development, and the fact they have never spoken to Canada RL about it as Canada RL confirmed in League weekly, merely underlines that. TWP are working on a five year plan anyway so there is not time to do it within the plan. What clubs here do as regards player development is also irrelevant. Clubs here are not applying to join the RFL from 3,000 miles away. TWP ACTUALLY promised a system of converting high school/college grid iron talented youth athletes into RL players, so they could contribute home grown players “pretty quickly”. You can find this on You Tube "back chat special" where Dave Woods interviews Eric Perez in 2016. FACT 2. TWP also offered a share of TV money from lucrative North American TV contracts. They told the RFL that North America would lap up RL on TV and Perez stipulated that to get such a TV contract it would “Need five to six north American clubs in Superleague”. You can look this up too. Nigel Wood however did not go to Ian Lenegan and discuss whether Superleague wanted to go Transatlantic or not. He did not ask Ian Lenegan whether five or six English clubs wanted to stand down for this alleged big TV deal. However In the absence of any player development and further clubs like Montreal (whom it appears perez made up as he said they would arrive this year for 2019) it's fairly safe to conclude what they offered for entry to the RFL was false and was not delivered, and as such they give nothing to the game here. Let’s also have it right that TWP were never asked nor have they offered to help clubs here market the game with their alleged brilliance at marketing. TWP were never asked to go to places like Belgrade and promote the game there either. These are your suggested personal criteria for their retention in the game here. Not the RFL's or Superleague's. In January Lenegan confirmed through Rimmer TWP could be blocked if promoted. Later an offer from TWP to forgo their TV money so the other 11 clubs could share it if TWP were promoted was made by TWP that was tacitly accepted. The fact is TWP ended up delivering nothing to the game, but the game probably does not want the bad publicity that would come from kicking them out. Thanks again for your interest. Now note a typical piece of misinformation……. PYJAMARAMA this is the kind of rubbish you are swallowing, that is invented to excuse TWP from reneging on their plan to convert grid iron players to RL you can see evidenced in the video. It's just a cheap lie that they ever said they would produce Canadian junior players and take them forward to one day become professionals. As above Canada RL confirm they have not been approached by TWP with this plan. TWP never said that at all, but this clown pushes this false idea to then excuse them accordingly...... Equally their alleged crowds were never ever a criteria for accepting TWP for entry to the game here. The only comment was that those fans would not be coming here, which led to the idea clubs here "should not rely on away fans" but again this is spectacularly missing the point TWP have not delivered on the actual entry deal.....