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  1. I’m working on this right now! Will be updated to the end of the 2018 season as soon as I get chance (will post back on here when done); it’ll be complemented with an update / completion of the results of every competitive game Wire have ever played.
  2. Might be of interest to some on here that I’ve just completed a major update to the memorabilia section of my website, having finally got around to archiving my own pre-war Wire programme collection. This now has over 1,100 images of over 350 pre-war Wire programmes, including 312 complete versions. Always interested in adding to my collection, or to obtaining more images, so drop me a note if you can help. Meanwhile, enjoy those that are available here: https://www.warringtonrugbyheritage.com/memorabilia-programmes
  3. At the outset of matches no classification of games was required. The introduction of games in organised competitions such as the Yorkshire Cup led to a distinction between cup games and the ‘ordinary’ games clubs have previously played. The term was in common use by the time of the breakaway, and was retained post-1895 by which time ordinary matches were very much in the minority for most clubs, given the domination of fixture lists with officially organised competitive games (my own club played only a handful between 1895 and 1914). Whilst we commonly refer to all ‘non-official’ games now as ‘friendlies’, this is a relatively recent phenomenon. Originally referred to as ordinary matches, they were later usually noted as ‘exhibition’ games, when being played between teams on neutral venues in new areas, or under the title of a local cup that was up for grabs (e.g. the Lazenby Cup or Wardonia Cup), or as a ‘testimonial’ or ‘charity’ match, with ‘friendly’ games replacing ‘ordinary’ games as the common term for anything not meeting some other description. Interestingly association teams seemed to use the ‘friendly’ term rather than ‘ordinary’ more widely, and earlier, compared to the northern rugby clubs. Friendly has become pretty much ubiquitous as the term for all these games now, with the other names being merely a subset of this group. In my own records, I’ve labelled any non-competitive game as ‘ordinary’ until 1914/5, and then after that as ‘friendly’: this really is a matter of semantics, as neither are included in my statistical records (following the convention of the Record Keepers Club used for post-1895 games), but I draw the distinction out of respect for the terms used at the time, even if my cut-off point is slightly arbitrary. That said, the use of the term ‘ordinary’ after this time is rare, and the term ‘friendly’ matches seems to be in regular use following the suspension of competitive games for the 1915/16 season, when all games were arranged on a friendly basis.
  4. Perfect, just what I was after! Thanks
  5. Can anyone help please? I've been searching for a while, to no avail, trying to find something that explains the fixture format for the middle 8s (i.e. Who plays who, and where, based on finishing positions). Can anyone provide a link please?
  6. My little girl is 4: she recognises and can name Ashton Sims. She also recognises another player she got a high-5 off after the game a few weeks (it was Kurt Gidley; Ryan Atkins did the same the match before). The above proves about as much as that sh!t article, and probably contains as much fact in 40-odd words as the whole piece for a national paper did. *sigh*
  7. Hi everyone. I have just done the latest release of data to my website www.warringtonrugbyheritage.com This releases includes never-before-seen player records for competitive games prior to the formation of the Northern Union, and means I can now release the only available comprehensive list of Wire first team players for competitives matches. These are available here: https://www.warringtonrugbyheritage.com/1885-6-1894-5 https://www.warringtonrugbyheritage.com ... l-timelist I have also written an exclusive article on The Forgotten 49, so if you want to find out who they are, and what part they play in the club's history, you can check that out here: www.warringtonrugbyheritage.com/players-theforgotten49
  8. Hi Geoff. Just seen this after I had mailed you!! Some of what I mentioned still holds, but excuse me for the rest of it.
  9. Hope you don't mind me barging in on this Geoff, but just sent you an email.
  10. Who are ‘The Forgotten 49’? And what part do they play in the history of the club now known as Warrington Wolves? All will be revealed here in the next few days: https://www.warringtonrugbyheritage.com/players-theforgotten49
  11. The player in question is Eric Frodsham. Hopefully one day I'll be able to link you to a page he (along with every other Wire player) will have in my site, but until then I'll have to send you to Wikipedia: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eric_Frodsham For once, I think this is pretty accurate ;-)
  12. Please excuse a slightly self-indulgent post, but it is history related at least! I've just done a big data load to my website, which now contains season-by-season player records for all Wire players from 1895-2016. Appearance & scoring information for all players can be found in the players section here: www.warringtonrugbyheritage.com/players Enjoy:-)
  13. Sent you a PM. Sure you'll get some helpful input from some on here, and likely get anything rare snapped uppretty quickly if you're lucky enough to have anything and be willing to sell (just don't plan to retire off the proceeds!). As a few others have said, best to give a bit more info on clubs involved, era, etc (if anyone knowsany further info, would be nice if this was shared too). ntw
  14. Are you talking theoretically, or with specific reference to a particular club (say Sheffield FC?). Theoretically, if a club is formed and plays intra-club games (as many did), or even training for them, I think that would constitute being formed and playing your chosen sport. Most teams were formed for games though, and I think most club's initial opponents are now defunct, which is of course irrelevant. The difference in age taken from 'formation' to 'first game' is likely to be negligible (weeks) in almost all cases. Indeed, the dating of Sheffield FC to 1857 follows the above logic: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sheffield_F.C. Interestingly Sheffield lay claim to the oldest club playing association football: they of course originally played Sheffield Rules though. Maybe we could compromise, and say that Huddersfield could claim to be the oldest 'club' playing rugby league, but Hull FC are the oldest 'football club' playing rugby league!? None of which solved the debate over BN/BPA!!
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