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  1. RL does what Sky says

    Happy Manchester Pride?

    All my original comment was mean to do was to suggest other groups that could possibly also be targeted as potential people to become interested in RL and was not meant to decry others previously mentioned in this thread. It appears that some who post on here are always just looking to see the wrong in anything someone says instead of the possible positives. I suggested other groups - what is wrong in that ? Bob8 ... If you read the quote I added to my own which you have reposted above, you would see that other groups of people were mentioned in that and that I was not specifically addressing Kiyan. You said that certain groups of people are not made welcome yet I was making a point of trying to welcome others in.
  2. RL does what Sky says

    Happy Manchester Pride?

    That also leads on to another question - why it is only certain groups that are generally referred to when complaining about a lack of representation in some sections of society yet there are other such groups equally not represented ? Most publicity is often given to a lack of Asians, homosexuals and women yet does RL have many Polish, Jewish or blind/deaf people involved, either as players or supporters ? I don't know the answer but I suspect the percentage would be roughly equal to the first three categories I mentioned and so why not target those communities in a similar fashion ?
  3. RL does what Sky says

    Happy Manchester Pride?

    Shadow ... your comment of "it's about equality which works both ways" is exactly what I am saying. I am all for the homosexual community to be targeted but in the same way - and no more than - any other group of people.
  4. RL does what Sky says

    Happy Manchester Pride?

    Dave T ... OK, you don't follow the point. I never said there was anything that a club has done that I am not happy with. I was only commenting on someone's suggestion of specifically targeting certain groups of people. If someone had originally suggested for the RFL to make more of an effort to specifically target hetrosexual people then I think there would have been some complaints of sexism and them not being fully inclusive. Yes clubs going working with all the groups you mention would be welcomed but the alternative groups should be similarly targeted..
  5. RL does what Sky says

    Happy Manchester Pride?

    Dave T .. Obviously my point is not being made clear. I am NOT trying to suppress any kind of activity. I have previously stated that I don't mind having such events; I am only asking that it isn't limited to particular groups of people. Kids' summer dances is as it says "KIDS summer dances" - I would challenge it if it was only for a certain group of kids. Just like promoting RL - it should be promoted equally to everyone and not just to one group because they have a specific way of life.
  6. RL does what Sky says

    Happy Manchester Pride?

    Dave T ... obviously the tone of a comment cannot always be understood when it is written rather than when heard it spoken and you have certainly got the wrong end of the stick regarding my comment by the way you are replying. I am not "raging" nor does the situation offend me ... I am just making a point about having equality for everybody. Also, I was not referring to yourself specifically when I mentioned previous posts.; I was just commenting on the thread in general.
  7. RL does what Sky says

    Happy Manchester Pride?

    There were comments in previous posts asking about the possibility of the RFL targeting the homosexual community in order to get them involved with sport. I have no problem with that but surely they should not be given special treatment and any different to the way that hetrosexual people are targeted. Both should be treated equally.
  8. RL does what Sky says

    Happy Birthday RL (Merged Threads)

    First of all, please accept my apology for my ignorance - what is TPTB ? I assume it is something to do with those who were running the sport at that time but even if they were not too interested in the centenary anniversary, we still didn't see many events organised independently by supporters' clubs, etc. Yes, maybe many supporters may well have had an interest in the events for 1995 but there were obviously not enough who wanted to actually work to make it happen. I was involved with one such project which itself had to be cancelled as we couldn't get enough volunteers to help.
  9. RL does what Sky says

    Happy Manchester Pride?

    Kiyan ... In answer to your first question - yes, on both account. You are also correct about introducing my wife, etc, but there are also times when I shake the hand of another man or even hug them when one has scored a try, yet I'm sure nobody takes that as though I am "flaunting my sexuality". These days the vast majority of people accept others for the way they are without any prejudice but, yes, there are still idiots out there who are against certain groups of people for various reasons. However, constant news or publicity items specifically concerning these certain people, while good in trying to make them feel more accepted in the wider community, do give the impression that it is still the majority of others who are against them - and that is not so. As much as I admire your support of a certain group of people for equality, then please also accept that equality means equality and not being given more than others. I am not bothered if the RFL target homosexuals as long as they target other groups in the same way.
  10. RL does what Sky says

    Happy Manchester Pride?

    What I am about to write will no doubt have many claiming I am sexist, etc... but no, I am just asking a question. If Rugby League was to promote events specifically towards the homosexuality community, etc ., would they do exactly the same on other occasions and specifically target hetrosexuals ? Equality for all ? Most certainly ... but all means ALL. Targeting any particular group of people is itself an "ist" (Racist, sexist, etc) so why not just promote the game itself as a whole ? If these people want to get involved then all well and good but why should some people not be specifically targeted just because others of their style are assumed to already be part of the majority involved ? I don't go around telling people of my sexuality so why should I be bothered about other peoples ? It makes no difference to how the game is played.
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    Happy Birthday RL (Merged Threads)

    I agree with you Mr.Plow - if people were willing to support it. Unfortunately the attendance for last weekend's Challenge Cup final appears to show how much interest many people have for an event which doesn't concern their own club. I think that even if one weekend's fixtures were designated as a "heritage round" that most supporters would just treat it as a normal match and wouldn't really understand or care about the significance, while even if the anniversary was celebrated at Wembley ever year it would be probably be forgotten by many until the following year as soon as the whistle sounds for the kick-off. I am not saying your idea is wrong, it's just that I think RL supporters in general - and also those who follow other sports in the UK - are more concerned with matters affecting their own club rather than what's best for the overall good of the game.
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    Happy Birthday RL (Merged Threads)

    When it was the centenary of RL's birth in 1995 there were plans to have various celebrations to mark the occasion including a carnival-type parade in Huddersfield with floats representing each club. None of that happened because of a general lack of interest among RL followers. The majority of RL supporters have really always been more club-orientated and don't have the same amount of interest in the wider game - as per the low attendances at International games compared with RU. Yes, there's always those who are passionate about the game as a whole - and that is why we all contribute to forums such as this - but I personally doubt that there would be a large percentage on the terraces this weekend who would know the significance of 29 August.
  13. RL does what Sky says

    New league structure revealed

    If lower clubs were cast adrift to just leave those currently at the top to play each other then surely one or two of those would soon become the whipping boys of that group, with their support diminishing the more they continued to lose matches ... so would another breakaway organisation then come into force just for the top 10 or so ? Even St.Helens and Wigan fans might soon then get fed up of just seeing them play each other every week. However would Super League be bothered as long as sponsorship money kept coming in due to tv coverage and would Sky still be happy as long as subscriptions were being sold ? Of course we are constantly being told that the game is expanding and that there are now clubs all around the country but are Coventry, London Skolars and West Wales any better or attract more supporters than did Blackpool, Bramley and Huyton ? No - but it gives the impression to those who just watch the game from their armchair that RL is more popular than it was. It's all about perception by an audience who don't really follow the game that closely. Just like Scottish football - we all know the names of teams even in the lower divisions because they are publicised each week via the football results yet many of those often only get crowds similar to RL League 1 However, unless you follow Scottish football very closely you might think those clubs are among the elite of the game.
  14. RL does what Sky says

    Challenge Cup Yawnfest

    I suppose it all depends on each individual's view on what is good for the game but some obviously thought that way and that's why they supported them. Regarding "same rules for all" ... over many years it appears that clubs who have again been considered by the RFL as being good for the game have seemingly been given benefits that others haven't in various ways. Clubs such as yours and many long-standing sides who are not in "development" areas seem to be these days treated as second-class citizens while the RFL are more concerned in promoting teams who they believe can make the game appear more widespead to those who just watch it on tv and pay for a Sky dish. The RFL know that we who pay at the turnstiles to watch a match are already supporters of the game and so they've no need to do anything to attract us whereas they have to keep in Sky's good books by making sure people far and wide have a reason to buy an annual subsciption. Therefore it is better for them to have teams in these non-traditional areas, irrespective of their quality, moreso than from the RL heartland. Who outside the areas where RL is traditionally played would really know where Whitehaven, Batley, Leigh or Hunslet is, but they do know of Newcastle, London, Sheffield, Toronto and Toulouse. It's all just about the peception of the game by those who actually don't really have a big interest in it ... we all know the names of even the lower-league Scottish Football clubs because of the publicity they are given and many people think they must be well-supported, yet they often get even lower attendances than RL Division 1.
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    Challenge Cup Yawnfest

    GeordieTownie .... as a neutral watching the cup final I think that although the match itself was not always of the best quality it was exciting due to the closeness of the score and possibly that most RL followers did have a passing interest about who won ... some wanted a Catalan victory for "the good of the game" while others backed Warrington because they didn't want the cup taken out of England. A game always seems more exciting when you have a personal interest in one of the teams. Yes, I appreciate your view that you feel you have seen better Workington games but if those matches had been played between two other teams and you weren't bothered who won then they may not have appeared so good. What I do agree with you is your comment about games these days going on too long. We have regular stoppages at scrums so players can take a drink - and a rest - yet we are constantly told that players today area lot fitter than in the past when such stoppages never took place. We also have more and more instances of tries being referred to the video referee. It used to just be about grounding the ball correctly but these days it has extended to something that maybe happened quite some time before the player touched down. I don't really think you can always blame the referee for that (they do as they are told by the RFL - and Sky !!!), it's come into being due to coaches - in trying to protect themselves from any criticism if they lose - wanting to ensure that tries scored against them were legitimate and thus asking for every aspect of the play to be analysed before it is awarded.