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  1. RL does what Sky says

    2 refs for 2020 by looks

    Agreed and that is why I wonder what will happen if more refs are appointed to professional matches and thus newer officials at amateur level are thrust into higher-grade games which they have not yet got enough experience to handle. Rather than encourage people to take up refereeing it will likely then put some newcomers off doing the job because they will still get all the flack from those on the sidelines who will just be expecting them to be up to that standard of game. Would any club include a player who is new to the game and not up to the standard of play required of the team involved. I doubt it, but that is what would happen to new refs due to an increased shortage of available officials. Agreed again, and yes, increased pay might attract more to do the job but, as with life, increased pay does not always bring a better performance. You could double a player's wage but would it make him a better player ? No, that can only be done via experience - and the same applies to refs.
  2. RL does what Sky says

    2 refs for 2020 by looks

    Just where will all the additional referees come from to provide extra ones at Super League (and no doubt it will then also come into use at Championship and League 1 levels) ? Many amateur games already have to either be called off or played without a qualified referee due to a shortage of officials, so to even use six extra officials in Super League could mean another six amateur games without them. It's OK saying they do it in Australia but they also have enough people over there willing to referee while in Britain we haven't. There will also be a knock-on effect in that referees further down the amateur leagues would have to take charge of higher standard games due to the usual ones being on professional duty and therefore they might well be out of their depth as they have not had enough experience. I might change my log in name to "RL does what Australia says" because we always do. When are we going to accept that Rugby League in Britain is not as high profile as it is in Australia and stop trying to keep up with them ?
  3. RL does what Sky says

    Super League to consider introducing two referee system for 2020 season

    Just where will all the additional referees come from to provide extra ones at Super League (and no doubt it will then also come into use at Championship and League 1 levels) ? Many amateur games already have to either be called off or played without a qualified referee due to a shortage of officials, so to even use six extra officials in Super League could mean another six amateur games without them. It's OK saying they do it in Australia but they also have enough people over there willing to referee while in Britain we haven't. There will also be a knock-on effect in that referees further down the amateur leagues would have to take charge of higher standard games due to the usual ones being on professional duty and therefore they might well be out of their depth as they have not had enough experience. I might change my log in name to "RL does what Australia says" because we always do. When are we going to accept that Rugby League in Britain is not as high profile as it is in Australia and stop trying to keep up with them ?
  4. RL does what Sky says

    20/40 Kick

    Just Browny .... Yes, perhaps my earlier post didn''t read as it was meant to sound. The "new rule" suggestion was just me trying to show the stupidity of constant rule changes.
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    20/40 Kick

    When are the authorities going to learn that genuine RL followers are tired of having various rule changes every season ? Also, how can newcomers to the game be expected to understand it when the rules are constantly altered ? Who makes the suggestions for all these changes and are supporters ever asked for their opinion ? I suspect the answer to the second part of that question is "No" while I also suspect it is some coaches who often suggest new rules just so they can organise situations for their own advantage. OK .. you want a rule change ? What not do away with scrums following a knock-on or a forward pass, etc and instead just have a handover to the other team ? Why ? Because scrums thesedays are a farce - even the players don't bother packing down properly thesedays because they know whoever puts it in gets it out ... so why bother ? At least scrums used to get twelve players out of the way of open play for a short while but nowadays the forwards more often than not quickly get back into play before even one tackle has been made. Oh yes, I forgot, scrums will be wanted by the coaches to give their highly-tuned and ultra-fit athletes a rest. Any other reason why they are required ?
  6. RL does what Sky says

    Fixtures 2019

    Frank Foster played for about one and a half seasons for Oldham. He was signed from Barrow in January 1972 when Oldham were bottom of the league (one division of 30). By the end of the season they were 16th and had lost just two games since his signing - one by just one point at Warrington and the other by just two against St,Helens in the cup. The following season - 1972-73 - Oldham finished 9th, having actually been league leaders for a time early in the season, as well as reaching the quarter-finals of the Challenge Cup. Frank Foster then retired at the end of that season. There have been less than a handful of individuals who have personally transformed Oldham's fortunes over the years - Joe Ferguson (1890s), Bob Sloman (1920s), Bryn Goldswain (1950s) and Frank Foster (1970s).
  7. RL does what Sky says

    Fixtures 2019

    The last time Oldham played Workington and Whitehaven consecutively in their opening home games of a season was 1972-73 - the Frank Foster season - and when Oldham were "World Champions" ... for the uninitiated, Oldham defeated Great Britain at 'Sheddings in a build up game to the 1972 World Cup, which Great Britain then won.
  8. RL does what Sky says

    Fixtures 2019

    OK, just a personal moan ... why do league matches have to be called "rounds" ? If the first match of the season is called off and not played until September how can it be called a "Round 1" match ? Yet another part of Aussie RL that we have had to follow. No they are not "offloads" they are passes ... no they are not "busts", they are breakthroughs ... no it is not a field goal, it is a drop goal ... no they are not "offensive and defensive teams", they are attackers and defenders.
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    Dave Parker

    Dave Parker was my first ever Oldham RL superhero (not that the term really existed in those days) when I first began to attend 'Sheddings in the early 60s. As "Arthur O" said in a previous post, Dave Parker WOULD (not could or maybe) have lifted the Challenge Cup for Oldham in 1964 had they been at Wembley that year. Thanks Dave ... pure class !
  10. RL does what Sky says

    Golden Point

    But even those full time and grade one referees still officiate at amateur matches - I have seen several doing so. Therefore if they become required to do more at SL level then they will obviously not be available as regularly at amateur matches, hence a shortfall. It's OK saying " the same refs can do more work", but having spoken to many when doing amateur games they also want to enjoy doing the job and not have it become a chore by being forced to do too many matches. However, we have yet to see if such a system will be implemented - I was only giving my view in answer to an earlier post regarding the matter. Overall I just don't see why we in this country just have to do things because they did so down under. How long is it that Australia adopted a rule that RL in Britain did first ? (Oh yes, Dally Messenger decided to play Northern Union rules, didn't he ???)
  11. RL does what Sky says

    Golden Point

    scotchy1 .... Yes I agree with your comment but all the officials in SL also still do so at amateur level, so if more are taken away for SL duty then where do the ones to replace them at amateur games come from ? Even if refs at a lower amateur level are then put in charge of those games then at somewhere down the line it has to produce a shortfall. I am only commenting from the point of view of having witnessed many amateur games either called off or having to be played without a qualified ref.
  12. RL does what Sky says

    Golden Point

    No ..... In-goal judges (another reason why amateur games are lacking referees) were brought in so that there was always someone there for a good view when a try was scored - the two "on field" referees would each take control of one team's defensive line (just as one ref does now but without running between both teams when there is a change of possession) and so that would still mean he might not always be in the best position to judge if a try has been scored correctly. It's alright for SL to want the game to look totally professional on TV for those who really don't understand the game but for those who DO then we realise that they really don't care about the state of RL as a whole. Amateur games have been called off due to a lack of referees ... and if that happens too regularly then young players will become disheartened and not bother turning up to play - and then what happens to the future of Rugby League ?
  13. RL does what Sky says

    Golden Point

    scotchy1 ... yes, "only" 6 referees might not sound a lot ... but it is. There are already not enough officials to do all the amateur games taking place. You also say, the referees can act as a secondary referee in addition to being the referee for other games. These days we often hear about coaches not wanting their players to play too many games yet at amateur clubs (especially at youth level) we often have the same referee taking charge of 2 or even 3 matches in one day. If more referees are taken away from their amateur duties then how do such matches take place ? Yes, it's OK down under where there are plenty of officials but the game in this country just hasn't got the resources.
  14. RL does what Sky says

    Golden Point

    JohnM ... my comment about the train was made with my tongue firmly in my cheek. I was just generally making a point about the length of time it now takes these days to play an 80 minute game ... we have time off at most scrums, conversions, etc and so it is even now often nearer to 90 minutes from when the game kicked off. Therefore with a golden point situation that will increase even further.. Personally I just can't see the benefit of the golden point rule in league matches. I think it is purely being done for TV purposes to try and entice the armchair supporters to renew their SKY subscriptions. Has anyone ever previously seen many complaints from genuine RL supporters when a league game has been drawn ... so if something aint broke then why fix it ?
  15. RL does what Sky says

    Golden Point

    If the golden point rule was a massive plus for RL then OK but can anyone actually give a really powerful argument as to what is wrong with a league game ending in a draw after 80 minutes ? Yes, for cup ties, but how many other sports feature such a sudden-death ending to their league matches ? If it was that popular then I am certain they would be already using such a system. RL has done without it since it began so why is the need for it now ... and will the supporters have any say if they want it or not ? The game these days already runs far over the 80 minutes schedule due to all the stoppages so why add more time to it ? (Will the RL pay for another train ticket for me if I miss the one I have booked due to the game going on late ?) Yet again it's just a matter of whatever Australia say then GB do irrespective of whether it is good for the game in this country. Furthermore, it is also been mentioned that the 2 referees system might eventually be introduced in the professional game over here but if so that will mean less officials available for amateur games. As with players, there are just not the same amount of officials as there are down under and the British amateur game is already suffering due to not enough referees to cover all the games. If the RL want to cut down time then why not do away with the farcical situations we have these days during a game and which are still referred to as scrums ? Why not follow a knock-on, forward pass, etc by just giving the ball the other side to restart with a play-the-ball ? That would save all the wasted time we now have at so-called scrums.