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  1. On the thread "people on TV we can't stand" someone offered professional northerners. This set me wondering who qualifies. Michael Parkinson perhaps? There's a lot of dislike for Geoff Boycott, who's pretty northern, but not David (Bumble) Lloyd, who's very northern. What about Alan Bennett, who makes no secret of the fact that he was born and brought up in Armley. But then some are born "northern" and some have their northerness thrust upon them. Morecambe and Wise say, who in their first TV series were forced out of character, and as a result a TV critic memorably said "television, the box in which Morecambe and Wise are buried" it was only when they resorted to their northern variety theatre act that they hit the big time. Others, big stars of variety such as Frank Randle (Mr Blackpool) wasn't allowed by the theatre management company to stray south of Nottingham, on the grounds that no one would be able to understand him. The same applies to Bobby Thompson (The Little Waster) who on the same grounds, wasn't allowed south of Middlesbrough. As someone brought up in part in the Yorkshire coalfield, I find his "pitmatic" Durham coalfield language intelligible, and certainly his descriptions of life there all too understandable. So why are we so quick to condemn these northern stereotypes? Someone's put them in a box labelled "North Country" in the way that Londoners and others don't seem to be classified. I suppose the same applies to our sport. Sad really.