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According to this it looks as though the Championship club to be awarded a license for 2012 has already been decided anyway. I've got to the stage where I just don't care any more what they do whether it be Welsh, French or Timbuktu. Steve Oconnor isn't going to say this without some degree of certainty having being directed towards him from the RFL. The whole licensing process is a sham.

http://www.runcornandwidnesweeklynews.co.u...55368-25355203/

Edited by Terry Mullaney

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According to this it looks as though the Championship club to be awarded a license for 2012 has already been decided anyway.

http://www.runcornandwidnesweeklynews.co.u...55368-25355203/

Yes Terry and if ever we get a license over the likes of Widnes and Halifax, hell will have frozen over.Im no longer in love with the game of Rugby League. Just in love with FEV.I think that goes for many on this forum and throughout the game in general.

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According to this it looks as though the Championship club to be awarded a license for 2012 has already been decided anyway. I've got to the stage where I just don't care any more what they do whether it be Welsh, French or Timbuktu. Steve Oconnor isn't going to say this without some degree of certainty having being directed towards him from the RFL. The whole licensing process is a sham.

http://www.runcornandwidnesweeklynews.co.u...55368-25355203/

According to the Yorkshire Post quite a few Championship clubs are in trouble as well as Keighley. I think we have to bother. If we just concentrate on Fev and other clubs go to the wall then we will have no league to play in. It is time I think for all the Championship clubs to combine in an effort to get a better deal. If one isn't forthcoming is it time for another break away? Ok we would have to renegotiate deals with the broadcasters and sponsors for income, but we would at least be our own masters instead of waiting for the breadcrumbs from above.

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According to this it looks as though the Championship club to be awarded a license for 2012 has already been decided anyway. I've got to the stage where I just don't care any more what they do whether it be Welsh, French or Timbuktu. Steve Oconnor isn't going to say this without some degree of certainty having being directed towards him from the RFL. The whole licensing process is a sham.

http://www.runcornandwidnesweeklynews.co.u...55368-25355203/

Terry, Just read that article. Nothing concrete in it in fact it sounded like a load of b....s..t and wishful thinking. I don't think he has any more idea that the rest of us. But as I said it is time we spoke in the Championship with one voice.

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According to the Yorkshire Post quite a few Championship clubs are in trouble as well as Keighley. I think we have to bother. If we just concentrate on Fev and other clubs go to the wall then we will have no league to play in. It is time I think for all the Championship clubs to combine in an effort to get a better deal. If one isn't forthcoming is it time for another break away? Ok we would have to renegotiate deals with the broadcasters and sponsors for income, but we would at least be our own masters instead of waiting for the breadcrumbs from above.

Quick Q, how much do the rfl give CC clubs from the Sky Money? Are you confident you could get as much or more from broadcasters?

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Re the Widnes article......whats the phase counting ones chickens???

id be very worried if id just said yer we'r a shoe in for the super league oh but by the way season ticket sales are down so bring a mate :D lol

they deserve it more that celtic though

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I can't wait to see the gate for the visit of Gateshead. I suppose the BBC could revive an old programme, one man and his dog because there probably won't be too many more than that there and it is in sheep country.

Seriously, weeks away from a new season are they seriously expecting the old Celtic fans to turn out in great numbers to watch this new team (and pay to get in) when this time fastrack to the SL is doubtful?

I don't know what can be done but fans who object to the current RFL expansion policy have to have a voice otherwise our game could well go to the wall, or is that their intention because they are doing a pretty good job at the moment.

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Yes Terry and if ever we get a license over the likes of Widnes and Halifax, hell will have frozen over.Im no longer in love with the game of Rugby League. Just in love with FEV.I think that goes for many on this forum and throughout the game in general.

I will drink to that, Phil.

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When will the RFL come to their senses and realise that the Welsh just aren't interested in Rugby League? Come to that neither are the southerners, just like we in the north aren't interested in Rugby Union. When churches talk about evangelism they are just as aware of the "back door theory" i.e. be sure that you don't lose more regulars out of the back door than newcomers coming in through the front. Soon it will be too late to attract the disillusioned back to the game, we need to hold what we have before seeking to expand to areas that cannot attract any decent support; this only causes embarrasment to our sport.

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Quick Q, how much do the rfl give CC clubs from the Sky Money? Are you confident you could get as much or more from broadcasters?

Good question. I am not sure , but isn't it

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How would breaking away help gates?

If we get 100k per club, that's 2.1 million quid in total for CC clubs. Could we get that kind of brass on our own?

Things are far from roay at the moment, and the stuff that's gone on in Wales is confusing and disappointing, but breaking away would be a disastrous non-starter IMO.

By breaking away I mean negotiating our own deals and having some autonomy. From what I have read there are quite a few clubs in trouble and nothing is being done about it. If this isn't the answer then what is? As cash flow is everything in any business the only other way is for clubs to cut their cloth according to their income. Perhaps they should all be doing that. The dangling carrot of perhaps a SL place or even promotion to our league may make clubs overspend. That is why a rethink of the whole situation is necessary. Perhaps in view of today's news we should all go to Leeds Carnegie. They seem to have no problem raising funds, kidding of course. What a complete and utter shambles. So called business men do not seem to have a clue on how to conduct themselves when it comes to sport. Whrtever the answer is the status quo wont do.

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I think you'll find that the 100K comes with more strings attached than the blokes who pulls Pinochio's strings?

Most of it goes on the salaries of the RFL's required staff at each club? The actual money for a televised game I believe is something in the region 5K? The trouble is the televised games aren't anywhere near fairly allocated amongst the clubs, there needs to be a much larger share of the overall pot of SKY money given to the lower leagues. Let's face it, if SKY hadn't lost the NRL franchise, the Championship would never have had the Thursday night slot. At least SKY now realise that their viewers saw some really competetive games last year with only a couple of mediocre ones, unlike SL who had some shockers!

Agreed- But what's the answer? We are still short of funds so what action should we take? Funds will not be volunteered without some action. So what is it. People spend plenty of time talking about the problem, the answer gets little press. Suggestions NIL.

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Agreed- But what's the answer? We are still short of funds so what action should we take? Funds will not be volunteered without some action. So what is it. People spend plenty of time talking about the problem, the answer gets little press. Suggestions NIL.

Re-introduce P&R. We cannot expect any business man, in his right mind, to plough millions into a championship club knowing that 99% of them have not a snowball in h**l chance of achieving SL status, along with sky publicity and exposure.

Lets face it and be realistic. With the present set up, championship teams have no where to go.

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Start by making sure EVERY club in a particular division is playing by the same rules. Take this new club in Wales for example.IF they are allowed extra Aussies the question should be asked WHY? If our Australian cousins can travel half way around the world to play in Wales i'm sure that there are a couple of dozen British players who would travel a couple of hundred miles to do the same.

Also, if a club is happy to start in the Championship (Toulouse) then they should accept that they are not exempt from relegation.In my opinion ALL new clubs should start at the bottom and if they are good enough, EARN promotion.I agree with Bob that P&R to SL has to be reintroduced.

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Start by making sure EVERY club in a particular division is playing by the same rules. Take this new club in Wales for example.IF they are allowed extra Aussies the question should be asked WHY? If our Australian cousins can travel half way around the world to play in Wales i'm sure that there are a couple of dozen British players who would travel a couple of hundred miles to do the same.

Also, if a club is happy to start in the Championship (Toulouse) then they should accept that they are not exempt from relegation.In my opinion ALL new clubs should start at the bottom and if they are good enough, EARN promotion.I agree with Bob that P&R to SL has to be reintroduced.

And I agree as well. The question was HOW are we to achieve it. That why I said is the threat of a breakaway sufficient to make them wake up. I think we are all of the same mind. But getting the powers that be to move from their entrenched position we need to take action of some sort . All the protestation in the world won't make a scrap of difference. A combined Championship proposal that 'treat us fairly or we are gone' might work. But we need SOME form of action or the clubs in the Championship are going nowhere. All the things mentioned, we protest about. but they happen anyway. So protesting is no good. Something stronger is required. The real question is have the Chairmen of the Championship clubs got the b......s to take a united front or are they split because there isa faint hope they might win promotion. Divide and conquer.

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I honestly believe that RL at part time level is fast approaching a critical moment. We have several clubs in real trouble. The fan base is not increasing in real terms. The RL heirarchy seem oblivious to the problems below SL. With a move to licensing we have removed any natural fairness in our game, this has lead to legions of fans leaving our game.

We also have the threat of Union moving to summer, the first murmurings have already started. If they do move this will put us in direct competition with a sport that has a lot more support from the establishment than we can ever hope to get. They have a far better international scene than we do. The tv broadcasters will fall over themselves to get union on board.

I've felt for a few years now that RL at part time level has a very bleak future. What's the answer, I haven't a clue. But like Mark i don't think a breakaway will happen and personally i don't think it would benefit us.

I now only follow FEV. I've lost all interest in anything else to do with RL. While there is a FEV i'll continue to go. If there's no FEV then i'll go back to the second greatest game in the world and give RL not one thought.

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One reason thta R.U. has an edge over us is that it is played at school level throughout the country and is the first introduction to Rugby of any kind for most lads. I was fortunate enough to have a father who was a dedicated Rovers fans, but when I was 11 years old, I didn't really understand the logistics of the game and had to play Union. I always said I would rather play Union and watch league and obviously over the years I changed. However, the grammar schools of my era bred many of todays media executives and the league game had Eddie Waring to promote the game. Eddie knew his rugby league but became ridiculed for his mannerisms. What we need more than any Expansions is the right people in marketing to promote the game throughout the country. Our game has in my mind been prostituted by get rich quick guys who haven't cared about the "big" picture. We need to promote the game from junior level to Super League if that means gimmicks then so be it. Keighley did well in the mid 90's and promoted the game to a level not seen by many before, it worked for them but like a few other clubs their reward was ignored in favour of Paris and London. The only thing that will bring crowds in is a winning team with enough energy to do constant promotions. Some may say that's flogging a dead horse in Featherstone, so let's move the goal posts, let's make coming to watch Rovers an experience and make new fans welcome. Many clubs are far behind promoting the game due to having to watch their pennies , but a little spent on this will go a long way. We the supporters can do our bit and should enhance the club in it's ventures in any way we can. The RFL are embarrased by the Crusaders debacle ( I was told this by someone from Red Hall) but have to stick to supporting the team they brought into Super League, they are not happy at all and Crusaders may find difficuly in maintaining their status next time round. We need good media coverage both by T.V and radio, we need talented marketing people and we need respect for the fans of the game.

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I agree with DMS in that the semi professional game (currently 22 clubs) is facing up to a number of difficult questions as to whta role and purpose it serves.

Just out of curiosity, I'd like to make a list of the real issues involved here. Obviously feelings are running high, but if we avoid the rhetoric about shambles/buffoons and level playing fields, it'll make it easier to debate the points.

SO far on this thread we've had....

1. No automatic P&R between SL and CC.

2. Finances are poor at some CC clubs

3. Attendances are poor at some CC clubs

4. Expansion clubs get exemption from import quotas.

5. Voting rights at the RFL favour SL clubs.

Any other important issues?

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