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YES we have dropped the term rugby,we want no confusion here in Holland and want to let people know we are a LEAGUE club

Which league? :P

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Which league? :P

Paley my old mucker "League" is a new word in the dutch language and we have claimed it :D

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Just to stop the inevitable grumbling and fake outrage, I'm going to try an experiment and leave this here for a while on the rugby league forum. I'm going to see if people are capable of a sensible conversation without willy-waggling and abuse.

ONE post that is, in my subjective opinion, even slightly off-colour and it gets moved to the hell-hole of the cross-code forum. No second chances.

Hell hole? ;) My RU club, Leicester Tigers, is actually called Leicester FC, like Hull FC is. It was formed in 1880, four years before Leicester City FC. So to cut a long story short, the club is known as Leicester FC or just Leicester Tigers. Personally, I wouldn't have a problem with any RU or RL club calling themselves RFC.

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Personally, I wouldn't have a problem with any RU or RL club calling themselves RFC.

That's all right then. ;)

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Over here in Carcassonne and around its the symbol - XIII that defines the game. Chez Felix Bar in centre of town has the ASC XIII scrawled on the window. Interestingly the USAP Perpignan club who have just finished top of the Top 14 XV competition here are always in the local L'Independant paper referred to as rugby

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Or afterwards, if they wish. Personally, I like it when a rugby club is simply "FC", as with Hull FC.

Me too

I think the correct name is Gateshull Thundersharks RLFC FC pal.

Less of the RLFC pal

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It's not the clubs - it's the presence of the roadsigns, which for obvious reasons tend to be in prominent positions at motorway junctions. The sign to Wakefield is at the end of the A650 dual carriageway link to the M1. The brown sign to Headingley on the M62 just says "Headingley Stadium" without mentioning the sports that are played there - given that it's a current international cricket stadium I suppose that's understandable.

Are St Helens still St Helens RFC btw? It certainly used to say that at Knowsley Road.

If all the new grounds come off that would be an opportunity too, for Wakey, Salford, and Saints. There is a Union side in Cas on Willowbridge Lane so that might be difficult.

Sadly I think that all this would make the casual passer-by think is that Wakey, Salford etc have big time rugby union clubs.

The way things are is that in the North, the word "rugby" can be interpreted as referring to one of two games depending on who you are talking to and where you are. It might always mean "league" in Wigan but this certainly isn't true of the North in general; in many parts of the North it would generally mean "union".

In the rest of the UK, there just isn't any ambiguity (except possibly in Wrexham); if you talk about "rugby" then it almost always going to be understood as meaning "union".

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Sadly I think that all this would make the casual passer-by think is that Wakey, Salford etc have big time rugby union clubs.

The way things are is that in the North, the word "rugby" can be interpreted as referring to one of two games depending on who you are talking to and where you are. It might always mean "league" in Wigan but this certainly isn't true of the North in general; in many parts of the North it would generally mean "union".

In the rest of the UK, there just isn't any ambiguity (except possibly in Wrexham); if you talk about "rugby" then it almost always going to be understood as meaning "union".

Are the casual passers by in the north different from the casual passers by in the south?

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Sadly I think that all this would make the casual passer-by think is that Wakey, Salford etc have big time rugby union clubs.

The way things are is that in the North, the word "rugby" can be interpreted as referring to one of two games depending on who you are talking to and where you are. It might always mean "league" in Wigan but this certainly isn't true of the North in general; in many parts of the North it would generally mean "union".

In the rest of the UK, there just isn't any ambiguity (except possibly in Wrexham); if you talk about "rugby" then it almost always going to be understood as meaning "union".

Rugby means RL in Wakey - always has done, even when they had a pretty good Union side playing at College Grove. Underwood, Cusworth, Barley, Harrison all played for Wakefield Union at some time in the seventies and eighties. But Wakefield Trinity are a name in RL history and Rugby in Wakey will always mean Trinity. In Fev no explanation is necessary.

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In Barrovia its always the Soccer or the Rugby .

Does any other town / city that has both codes say those terms to describe the codes / teams ?

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In Barrovia its always the Soccer or the Rugby .

Does any other town / city that has both codes say those terms to describe the codes / teams ?

Before the advent of Leeds Union, "Leeds Rugby" always meant Leeds RLFC as distinct from LUFC, "Wigan Rugby" always meant Central Park too I believe.

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Rugby is simply a place name in the midlands where the original rules of the handling game were drawn up. Anyone for a game of "Huddersfield"?

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It's quite interesting to note that Aberdare (the birthplace of international rugby league / Northern Union) call their rugby union club - Aberdare RUFC. I don't know if this is a hark back to their Northern Union heritage but it's the only RU club in Wales I've seen referred to by themselves in this way.

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Are the casual passers by in the north different from the casual passers by in the south?

Err yeah. Them dasrn sarf will be cockerneys.

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Rugby means RL in Wakey - always has done, even when they had a pretty good Union side playing at College Grove. Underwood, Cusworth, Barley, Harrison all played for Wakefield Union at some time in the seventies and eighties. But Wakefield Trinity are a name in RL history and Rugby in Wakey will always mean Trinity. In Fev no explanation is necessary.

Yes, but anyone who happened to be driving past wouldn't necessarily be from Wakey. In many parts of Yorkshire, "rugby" would primarily refer to union.

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Yes, but anyone who happened to be driving past wouldn't necessarily be from Wakey. In many parts of Yorkshire, "rugby" would primarily refer to union.

Not in Wakefield it wouldn't and if people driving past are unsure then so what?

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Yes, but anyone who happened to be driving past wouldn't necessarily be from Wakey. In many parts of Yorkshire, "rugby" would primarily refer to union.

In some of the smaller market towns north of Bradford and Leeds that may be the case, but not in the bigger towns and cities where the vast majority of people live it doesn't.

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what happened to the term 'rugger'? - always used in our family to describe the union code, 'soccer' for the round ballers and 'rugby' was ALWAYS the game played by Vinty Karalius, Wally Hurstfield, Frank Myler, Ray Owens and co!

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what happened to the term 'rugger'? - always used in our family to describe the union code, 'soccer' for the round ballers and 'rugby' was ALWAYS the game played by Vinty Karalius, Wally Hurstfield, Frank Myler, Ray Owens and co!

You mean pukah ruggah played at Twickahs.

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Not in Wakefield it wouldn't and if people driving past are unsure then so what?

Then there would be no point. The point is to reclaim the word "rugby"; if folk don't realise that you are talking about league when you use it then you aren't reclaiming anything - just confusing people.

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In some of the smaller market towns north of Bradford and Leeds that may be the case, but not in the bigger towns and cities where the vast majority of people live it doesn't.

There's about 600,000-700,000 people living in North Yorkshire and a lot more living in South Yorks.

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Then there would be no point. The point is to reclaim the word "rugby"; if folk don't realise that you are talking about league when you use it then you aren't reclaiming anything - just confusing people.

A few confused people is of no consequence

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It may seem irrelevant but can I ask where people think things such as 'moshing' and 'stage diving' came from?

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I went to a collectors fair at Pudsey this afternoon. There were quite a lot of old Rugby League programmes. Some from the fifties. Two that caught my eye were "Halifax Football Club" and "Wigan Football Club" . no mention or Rugby or League at all on the progammes' titles. I wonder how many other RL sides used the title "Football Club?" Hull FC goes without saying. In the sixties when my wife worked in Wakefield, she would be late home if Wakefield were playing mid-week in the the early evening. She would say "the traffic was bad because of the football match"

When did we allow the term "football" to mean just soccer?

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