Current Australian Super League coaches humiliate themselves

[ParisSurtout]

Both the current successful coach of Huddersfield Giants, Nathan Brown, and the current successful coach of St Helens, Mick Potter, are being considered for the position of assistant coach to Brian Smith at the Sydney Roosters.

What a come down!

Brown may also go back to being assistant coach to Wayne Bennett at St George Dragons, a club where he was once the head coach!

What a humiliation!

http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-league/league-...00703-zuve.html

Either would be taking a job that involves a massive pay cut, and a massive loss of social status.

Can life in northern England, as head coach of a Super League club, be so dire? Is it just the English weather?

You never hear of coaches at Les Catalans Dragons complaining about life in the south of France. It is rather a falling out with the Chairman of the club, or in the case of Kevin Walters, a failure to perform, that causes coaches to leave Perpignan. All the Aussies speak highly of the southern France life style. In the case of London Broncos, Tony Rea left London because Ian Lenagan wanted a fresh face in the coaching job. Rea himself would have been happy to stay. London is alluring for travelling Australians. The young ones seem to shack up there for years.

However in the northern England clubs it is usually the Aussie coach wanting to leave after two or three seasons, not the club wanting to unload him. The notable exceptions to the Aussie "here for the short term" rule are the still very young Justin Morgan, the uncouth Ian Millward, and the "failed already in the NRL" Shaun McRae. Tony Smith would appear to like the north of England, and he has even become a British citizen. But he just can't seem to hack any particular northern town or city. Note how he has gone from Huddersfield, to Leeds, to Warrington. He can't find roots in one place!

Wigan cannot count on the talented Mr McGuire being there beyond November 2012. With Perth and perhaps Central Coast due to enter the NRL in 2013, McGuire will be in demand and will likely take a plum job in the NRL.

The same applies to Hull KR. If the talented and ambitious Justin Morgan has not been awarded the top job at either St Helens or Wigan for the 2013 season, he will probably head down under as well.

Perhaps there should be more SL coaching positions available in London and the south of France, in order for the best Australian coaches to come and stay long term, and impart their wisdom to northern hemisphere rugby league.

Edited July 4, 2010 by ParisSurtout

[hindle xiii]

Both the current successful coach of Huddersfield Giants, Nathan Brown, and the current successful coach of St Helens, Mick Potter, are being considered for the position of assistant coach to Brian Smith at the Sydney Roosters.

What a come down!

Brown may also go back to being assistant coach to Wayne Bennett at St George Dragons, a club where he was once the head coach!

What a humiliation!

http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-league/league-...00703-zuve.html

Either would be taking a job that involves a massive pay cut, and a massive loss of social status.

Can life in northern England, as head coach of a Super League club, be so dire? Is it just the English weather?

You never hear of coaches at Les Catalans Dragons complaining about life in the south of France. It is rather a falling out with the Chairman of the club, or in the case of Kevin Walters, a failure to perform, that causes coaches to leave Perpignan.

Perhaps there should be more positions available in London and the south of France, in order for the best Australian coaches to come and stay long term, and impart their wisdom to northern hemisphere rugby league. A second London club and a second French club in Toulouse would surely appeal more to the cosmopolitan Aussies.

Let us be honest about this: it seems that life in the northern England towns just doesn't appeal to talented and successful Australians as a life choice on a long term basis.

Shut up you tart.

[ParisSurtout]

Shut up you tart.

That was an interesting, thought provoking response.

Edited July 4, 2010 by ParisSurtout

[Hannibal]

That was an interesting, thought provoking response.

To encourage thoughtful responses, you need to ask thought provoking questions.

Your stance on Northern England is bordering on ECT's definition of racism.

oh and, you're boring.

Please go away.

Thanks.

[1976PMJwires]

Both the current successful coach of Huddersfield Giants, Nathan Brown, and the current successful coach of St Helens, Mick Potter, are being considered for the position of assistant coach to Brian Smith at the Sydney Roosters.

What a come down!

Brown may also go back to being assistant coach to Wayne Bennett at St George Dragons, a club where he was once the head coach!

What a humiliation!

http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-league/league-...00703-zuve.html

Either would be taking a job that involves a massive pay cut, and a massive loss of social status.

Can life in northern England, as head coach of a Super League club, be so dire? Is it just the English weather?

You never hear of coaches at Les Catalans Dragons complaining about life in the south of France. It is rather a falling out with the Chairman of the club, or in the case of Kevin Walters, a failure to perform, that causes coaches to leave Perpignan. All the Aussies speak highly of the southern France life style. In the case of London Broncos, Tony Rea left London because Ian Lenagan wanted a fresh face in the coaching job. Rea himself would have been happy to stay. London is alluring for travelling Australians. The young ones seem to shack up there for years.

However in the northern England clubs it is usually the Aussie coach wanting to leave after two or three seasons, not the club wanting to unload him. The notable exceptions to the Aussie "here for the short term" rule are the still very young Justin Morgan, the uncouth Ian Millward, and the "failed already in the NRL" Shaun McRae. Tony Smith would appear to like the north of England, and he has even become a British citizen. But he just can't seem to hack any particular northern town or city. Note how he has gone from Huddersfield, to Leeds, to Warrington. He can't find roots in one place!

Wigan cannot count on the talented Mr McGuire being there beyond November 2012. With Perth and perhaps Central Coast due to enter the NRL in 2013, McGuire will be in demand and will likely take a plum job in the NRL.

The same applies to Hull KR. If the talented and ambitious Justin Morgan has not been awarded the top job at either St Helens or Wigan for the 2013 season, he will probably head down under as well.

Perhaps there should be more SL coaching positions available in London and the south of France, in order for the best Australian coaches to come and stay long term, and impart their wisdom to northern hemisphere rugby league.

Your an annoying TROLL..........

Tony Smith still lives in Huddersfield, is more than happy there, so i guess his roots are firmly rooted.

He travels over every morning arriving at the Warrington training ground for 7am.

Going from Hudd to Leeds, would that not be promotion

Leeds to England, 100% promotion

England to Wires, Money as the motive, but In TS words " missed the day to day activities with the players" he needed club RL

[deluded pom?]

I can't see Morgan getting either the Saints or Wigan jobs anytime soon. See how Hull KR have stalled this season as he searches for even more ways to bring in Australians on an EU passport.

[Wellsy4HullFC]

This makes no sense.

Aussie coach leaves north of England club - it's due to the weather/culture.

Aussie coach leaves south of France club - it's due to something else.

Aussie coach moves to another northern England club - can't find his routes.

Reasoning behind logic - OP is a pompous git high on his pedestal who talks with an undeserved sense of achievement but is in fact (as shown by this thread) an idiot.

Many Aussies return to Australia (both players AND coaches, from both Britain AND France) because of family reasons. Maybe these Aussies don't like the French culture either?

[terrywebbisgod]

END

[HullRover]

Both the current successful coach of Huddersfield Giants, Nathan Brown, and the current successful coach of St Helens, Mick Potter, are being considered for the position of assistant coach to Brian Smith at the Sydney Roosters.

What a come down!

Brown may also go back to being assistant coach to Wayne Bennett at St George Dragons, a club where he was once the head coach!

What a humiliation!

http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-league/league-...00703-zuve.html

Either would be taking a job that involves a massive pay cut, and a massive loss of social status.

Can life in northern England, as head coach of a Super League club, be so dire? Is it just the English weather?

You never hear of coaches at Les Catalans Dragons complaining about life in the south of France. It is rather a falling out with the Chairman of the club, or in the case of Kevin Walters, a failure to perform, that causes coaches to leave Perpignan. All the Aussies speak highly of the southern France life style. In the case of London Broncos, Tony Rea left London because Ian Lenagan wanted a fresh face in the coaching job. Rea himself would have been happy to stay. London is alluring for travelling Australians. The young ones seem to shack up there for years.

However in the northern England clubs it is usually the Aussie coach wanting to leave after two or three seasons, not the club wanting to unload him. The notable exceptions to the Aussie "here for the short term" rule are the still very young Justin Morgan, the uncouth Ian Millward, and the "failed already in the NRL" Shaun McRae. Tony Smith would appear to like the north of England, and he has even become a British citizen. But he just can't seem to hack any particular northern town or city. Note how he has gone from Huddersfield, to Leeds, to Warrington. He can't find roots in one place!

Wigan cannot count on the talented Mr McGuire being there beyond November 2012. With Perth and perhaps Central Coast due to enter the NRL in 2013, McGuire will be in demand and will likely take a plum job in the NRL.

The same applies to Hull KR. If the talented and ambitious Justin Morgan has not been awarded the top job at either St Helens or Wigan for the 2013 season, he will probably head down under as well.

Perhaps there should be more SL coaching positions available in London and the south of France, in order for the best Australian coaches to come and stay long term, and impart their wisdom to northern hemisphere rugby league.

You couldn't be more wrong on Justin Morgan.

The very fact that he, and his family, are so settled in Hull is the reason why he has refused to countenance interest from St Helens, Leeds, Warrington in the past. A return to Australia is not on the agenda either!

[1976PMJwires]

You couldn't be more wrong on Justin Morgan.

The very fact that he, and his family, are so settled in Hull is the reason why he has refused to countenance interest from St Helens, Leeds, Warrington in the past. A return to Australia is not on the agenda either!

so that's Justin and Tony Smith

the guy is a total 1 eye t1t

[John Rhino]

And Brian McClennan has just signed an extension to his contract which makes northern England more attractive than NZ.

I think we are beginning to establish a hierarchy here. Plonker!

[steef]

@OP

[ParisSurtout]

And Brian McClennan has just signed an extension to his contract which makes northern England more attractive than NZ.

I think we are beginning to establish a hierarchy here. Plonker!

We were talking about Aussies, not Kiwis.

Kiwis can hack northern England because the weather is similar (cold and damp, unlike Australia, and unlike the south of France for 9 months of the year), and because New Zealand is a pretty but boring country --- a bit like Scotland but without the history and charm of Edinburgh. For the average Kiwi ruffian northern England must seem very interesting indeed --- especially when you have the bright lights of Manchester and Liverpool so near, and so many drunken girls stumbling about on the streets, looking for a ride home, on a Friday or Saturday night.

As I have intimated, Aussies find London and the south of France interesting places to go to and spend some quality time. That is why we would do well to give them more rugby league job opportunities in those places.

Edited July 4, 2010 by ParisSurtout

[1976PMJwires]

We were talking about Aussies, not Kiwis.

Kiwis can hack northern England because the weather is similar (cold and damp, unlike Australia, and unlike the south of France for 9 months of the year), and because New Zealand is a pretty but boring country --- a bit like Scotland but without the history and charm of Edinburgh. For the average Kiwi ruffian northern England must seem very interesting indeed --- especially when you have the bright lights of Manchester and Liverpool so near, and so many drunken girls stumbling about on the streets, looking for a ride home, on a Friday or Saturday night.

As I have intimated, Aussies find London and the south of France interesting places to go to and spend some quality time. That is why we would do well to give them more rugby league job opportunities in those places.

Justin Morgan and Tony Smith......... Answer this one you one eyed t1t!!!!

[a.n Other]

Justin Morgan and Tony Smith......... Answer this one you one eyed t1t!!!!

Ian Milward, Dave Woods the Webster at Hull..

[ParisSurtout]

Justin Morgan and Tony Smith......... Answer this one you one eyed t1t!!!!

I aleady did did. Read my original post you silly fellow.

Have you never, ever heard of an "exception to the rule?"

[ParisSurtout]

Ian Milward, Dave Woods the Webster at Hull..

All of these are second rate coaches, not top coaches. The Wollongong boy Ian Millward suffers from his uncouth character, which is too rough for the newly cosmopolitan Australian club bosses -- the likes of Russell Crowe, Nick Polites, Todd Greenberg, Michael Searle etc. But Ian fits in well at an "off the beaten track" place like Leigh.

Edited July 4, 2010 by ParisSurtout

[1976PMJwires]

I aleady did did. Read my original post you silly fellow.

Have you never, ever heard of an "exception to the rule?"

he is settled.

end of muppet trolling

[a.n Other]

All of these are second rate coaches, not top coaches. The Wollongong boy Ian Millward suffers from his uncouth character, which is too rough for the newly cosmopolitan Australian club bosses -- the likes of Russell Crowe, Nick Polites, Todd Greenberg etc. But Ian fits in well at an "off the beaten track" place like Leigh.

Is that the same Kiwi Russel Crowe that assaulted a hotel employee with a phone?

Edited July 4, 2010 by a.n Other

[Doghead]

Potter red hot favourite for the Bradford job.

[Wellsy4HullFC]

We were talking about Aussies, not Kiwis.

Kiwis can hack northern England because the weather is similar (cold and damp, unlike Australia, and unlike the south of France for 9 months of the year), and because New Zealand is a pretty but boring country --- a bit like Scotland but without the history and charm of Edinburgh. For the average Kiwi ruffian northern England must seem very interesting indeed --- especially when you have the bright lights of Manchester and Liverpool so near, and so many drunken girls stumbling about on the streets, looking for a ride home, on a Friday or Saturday night.

As I have intimated, Aussies find London and the south of France interesting places to go to and spend some quality time. That is why we would do well to give them more rugby league job opportunities in those places.

Yeah, the Aussie head coach of Harlequins loves it there...

Wait a minute...?

Also, what about these:

Adam Mogg leaves Catalans Dragons

"After four years in France, the 32-year-old Queensland State of Origin player has been released for family reasons as he has become homesick."

Greg Bird leaves Catalans Dragons

"Catalans Dragons captain Greg Bird has rejected a new two-year contract and left France to return to Australia."

Kevin Walters ready for Catalans Dragon exit

"I will not be taking up the option in my contract to coach the Dragons in season 2011"

Jason Ryles quits France for Roosters

"Despite being just one season into a three-year deal with France-based Super League club Catalans Dragons, it was Ryles who rang Smith looking for a job back in the NRL, where he believes he has unfinished business and a point to prove.

The 30-year-old, who hails from the Illawarra, said it was largely a homesick girlfriend who had driven him to pick up the phone."

And that's all in the last 6 months. And 3 out of 4 of them left their contracts early. Can't be that much of a paradise in the south of France

Edited July 4, 2010 by Wellsy4HullFC

[Steve May]

Both the current successful coach of Huddersfield Giants, Nathan Brown, and the current successful coach of St Helens, Mick Potter, are being considered for the position of assistant coach to Brian Smith at the Sydney Roosters.

What a come down!

Brown may also go back to being assistant coach to Wayne Bennett at St George Dragons, a club where he was once the head coach!

What a humiliation!

http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-league/league-...00703-zuve.html

Either would be taking a job that involves a massive pay cut, and a massive loss of social status.

Can life in northern England, as head coach of a Super League club, be so dire? Is it just the English weather?

You never hear of coaches at Les Catalans Dragons complaining about life in the south of France. It is rather a falling out with the Chairman of the club, or in the case of Kevin Walters, a failure to perform, that causes coaches to leave Perpignan. All the Aussies speak highly of the southern France life style. In the case of London Broncos, Tony Rea left London because Ian Lenagan wanted a fresh face in the coaching job. Rea himself would have been happy to stay. London is alluring for travelling Australians. The young ones seem to shack up there for years.

However in the northern England clubs it is usually the Aussie coach wanting to leave after two or three seasons, not the club wanting to unload him. The notable exceptions to the Aussie "here for the short term" rule are the still very young Justin Morgan, the uncouth Ian Millward, and the "failed already in the NRL" Shaun McRae. Tony Smith would appear to like the north of England, and he has even become a British citizen. But he just can't seem to hack any particular northern town or city. Note how he has gone from Huddersfield, to Leeds, to Warrington. He can't find roots in one place!

Wigan cannot count on the talented Mr McGuire being there beyond November 2012. With Perth and perhaps Central Coast due to enter the NRL in 2013, McGuire will be in demand and will likely take a plum job in the NRL.

The same applies to Hull KR. If the talented and ambitious Justin Morgan has not been awarded the top job at either St Helens or Wigan for the 2013 season, he will probably head down under as well.

Perhaps there should be more SL coaching positions available in London and the south of France, in order for the best Australian coaches to come and stay long term, and impart their wisdom to northern hemisphere rugby league.

If you only knew mate.

Huddersfield is Britain's best kept secret.

[hindle xiii]

If you only knew mate.

Huddersfield is Britain's best kept secret.

Quite.

Well Rugby League is Britain's best kept secret. And as we know boys and girls, Rugby League was founded in Huddersfield. So by default...

[Jill Halfpenny fan]

Excellent trolling Albert.

[ParisSurtout]

Yeah, the Aussie head coach of Harlequins loves it there...

Wait a minute...?

Also, what about these:

Adam Mogg leaves Catalans Dragons

"After four years in France, the 32-year-old Queensland State of Origin player has been released for family reasons as he has become homesick."

Greg Bird leaves Catalans Dragons

"Catalans Dragons captain Greg Bird has rejected a new two-year contract and left France to return to Australia."

Kevin Walters ready for Catalans Dragon exit

"I will not be taking up the option in my contract to coach the Dragons in season 2011"

Jason Ryles quits France for Roosters

"Despite being just one season into a three-year deal with France-based Super League club Catalans Dragons, it was Ryles who rang Smith looking for a job back in the NRL, where he believes he has unfinished business and a point to prove.

The 30-year-old, who hails from the Illawarra, said it was largely a homesick girlfriend who had driven him to pick up the phone."

And that's all in the last 6 months. And 3 out of 4 of them left their contracts early. Can't be that much of a paradise in the south of France

Wellsy, you must have missed the point which was laid out clearly at the beginning of the discussion -- the Original Post to be specific. The topic is coaches who have humiliated themselves in leaving northern England for a pay cut and diminished status the NRL. The topic is not players who are homesick or want to prove themselves in the NRL and/or State of Origin.

Many of the players are young and some have very young families. In France as in England they lack the family support network which makes raising children so much easier.

Tony Rea was fired as coach by Ian Lenagan. If Lenagan had not taken over, then I suspect Rea would only have left in a coffin. He loved living in London and coaching the Broncos.

You don't see too many coaches leaving the south of France voluntarily. Walters was fired for incompetence, as I pointed out on this thread and elsewhere. Potter may have been fired because of his introverted personality, or he may have left to pursue a plum position at St Helens, or both. (the gossip is that the shy and introverted Potter was fired from St Helens because didn't get along with people there either). But there is no evidence that Potter left Catalans because he didn't like the life style in the south of France.

David Waite left Catalans because he was not wanted any longer: he is a cold and aloof man, who is considered arrogant by many who have met him. Neither the English nor the French are fond of him.

Anyway Wellsy, I would suggest that you go back to my original post and read it again, slowly. Once you have digested it and grasped the argument, perhaps we can continue the conversation.

Edited July 5, 2010 by ParisSurtout