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Have you got any of the several incidents relating to joel tomkins and the disciplinary panel up there old lad........thought not. Use of the knees in both games against leeds, coincidence or just a dirty ######? "Cynical and unnecessary" said the panel of mr tomkins sly tactics. Fancy, a wigan player eh, who'd a thought it.

Senior kicking out..., Webb's whirlwind arms, a chicken wing from Bailey or how about a high shot from Peacock?

Stones...Glasshouses or Kettle...Pot...Black - take your pick.

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The discussion within this thread surrounding consistency makes me laugh because the RFL and its match officials are unswervingly consistent when it comes to the way that they officiate Wigan.

This decision is an utter disgrace when compared to some of the things that have been allowed to pass without punishment this season.

I am not saying that the RFL, its disciplinary committee and its match officials are corrupt to the core, it is just that their decisions regarding Wigan make it look like they are.

But who knows the truth eh?

Certainly not me.

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Senior kicking out..., Webb's whirlwind arms, a chicken wing from Bailey or how about a high shot from Peacock?

Stones...Glasshouses or Kettle...Pot...Black - take your pick.

Yes we know you're obsessed with leeds but do you have to be so predictable that you quote 5 cases and three are from leeds and two from wire. You're a bit like a stuck record, a bad one at that. Have you got leeds dolls that you stick pins in every night ? You seem to spend most of your energy hating leeds rather than loving your own club, which unfortunately seems to be the trend nowadays. Sad little man.

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Yes we know you're obsessed with leeds but do you have to be so predictable that you quote 5 cases and three are from leeds and two from wire. You're a bit like a stuck record, a bad one at that. Have you got leeds dolls that you stick pins in every night ? You seem to spend most of your energy hating leeds rather than loving your own club, which unfortunately seems to be the trend nowadays. Sad little man.

Leeds are consistently the dirtiest and most cynical team in the league and what is more they are the worst for back-chat to the officials by a country mile yet little is done about their antics. I wonder why?

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Yes we know you're obsessed with leeds but do you have to be so predictable that you quote 5 cases and three are from leeds and two from wire. You're a bit like a stuck record, a bad one at that. Have you got leeds dolls that you stick pins in every night ? You seem to spend most of your energy hating leeds rather than loving your own club, which unfortunately seems to be the trend nowadays. Sad little man.

:lol: - again pot, kettle and black from someone so opinionated about Wigan. I don't know where this Leeds persecution complex comes from, but I can confirm I have no hate for Leeds, only a mild dislike in all honesty and most of that as a dual consequence of recent success and supporters of your ilk that are so one-eyed that you give a cyclops a bad name whilst being humourless with it. My real dislike is reserved for our two local rivals I'm afraid.

As far as the choice of the five cases, the Wire ones were part of my point given I was responding to a Warrington fan, but the Leeds ones weren't specific, just examples I'd remembered from this season that seemed a little inconsistent relative to Coley's case. I did mention the Cunningham / Stosic example elsewhere, but thats a little old now - if I could have found a Saints example I would have, but unfortunately they have been pretty Saintly this season :dry:

As for other clubs, I don't pay as much attention to clubs I don't see as a threat to Wigan's potential success and no specific examples from other clubs really stand out in terms of inconsistency.

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Leeds are consistently the dirtiest and most cynical team in the league and what is more they are the worst for back-chat to the officials by a country mile yet little is done about their antics. I wonder why?

They're the most exciting and that's why they will have been on the box 3 weeks running on friday. Oh and they're record breaking three in a row super league champions, but you know that. Go round to your mates house and stick some pins in dolls. When did wigan lose its village status, was it when they realised they had a town full of idiots.

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They're the most exciting and that's why they will have been on the box 3 weeks running on friday. Oh and they're record breaking three in a row super league champions, but you know that. Go round to your mates house and stick some pins in dolls. When did wigan lose its village status, was it when they realised they had a town full of idiots.

Time for bed...school in the morning.

Trolling is neither big nor clever - I actually thought you'd turned the corner recently with some fairly informed contributions, but now back to the bad old days. :rolleyes:

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:lol: - again pot, kettle and black from someone so opinionated about Wigan. I don't know where this Leeds persecution complex comes from, but I can confirm I have no hate for Leeds, only a mild dislike in all honesty and most of that as a dual consequence of recent success and supporters of your ilk that are so one-eyed that you give a cyclops a bad name whilst being humourless with it. My real dislike is reserved for our two local rivals I'm afraid.

As far as the choice of the five cases, the Wire ones were part of my point given I was responding to a Warrington fan, but the Leeds ones weren't specific, just examples I'd remembered from this season that seemed a little inconsistent relative to Coley's case. I did mention the Cunningham / Stosic example elsewhere, but thats a little old now - if I could have found a Saints example I would have, but unfortunately they have been pretty Saintly this season :dry:

As for other clubs, I don't pay as much attention to clubs I don't see as a threat to Wigan's potential success and no specific examples from other clubs really stand out in terms of inconsistency.

"He doth protest too much". Anyway see you at wembley.........................oh no we won't,silly me. Goodnight.

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"He doth protest too much". Anyway see you at wembley.........................oh no we won't,silly me. Goodnight.

:lol: I'll let you off on that one.

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I don't necessarily expect you to agree with me, its all about opinions isn't it?
Absolutely, and I wasn't challenging you for the sake of it, I was genuinely interested in the examples you would come up with, thanks for taking the time to do that (although I'm sure it's no surprise to you that I don't agree with them all!!!)

Nevertheless examples;

http://www.therfl.co.uk/about/disciplinary_item.php?id=1600 - Grade C (2-3 matches) becomes nothing despite being found guilty?

This is one that was looked at in a lot of detail. I had no issue with a ban, however at the time some people were hysterical about it, and it wasn't as bad as people made out. I would have agreed that 1 match is about right, as ultimately the players have a responsibility to play in a way that doesn't cause injury.

http://www.therfl.co.uk/about/disciplinary_item.php?id=1922 - Worse high tackle than Coley's (in my opinion), not sent off and a poorer previous record - same outcome as Coley
I haven't seen this as obviously it wasn't on TV, is there a link to it anywhere? It's be unfair of me to comment otherwise.

http://www.therfl.co.uk/about/disciplinary_item.php?id=1596 - One of the most reckless tackle attempts I have seen all season and found not guilty.
There are hundreds of people who also acted this hysterically about the O'Loughlin one at Murrayfield, however when people actually look at it frame by frame in slow motion (which the panel do) then it isn't as clear cut as fans would suggest. I have still yet to see a good angle of this, and by the wording the panel use, they didn't get an angle which many fans on here seemed to get which showed a shocking tackle! Again, if anyone has any links of this, I'd love to see it.

http://www.therfl.co.uk/about/disciplinary_item.php?id=1953 - Contact with head not careless? There was a swinging arm to the head about 2 minutes later that was even worse and wasn't even deemed worthy of review.
I genuinely don't think there was anything in this at all. I remember I was watching this game in the pub with my dad and at first we both thought it was a red card. When you watched it again in slow mo, it was just a spectacular looking tackle. Look at the fact that it was a flat hand, and he had been stepped by a player two-thirds his weight and there was nothing in it.

http://www.therfl.co.uk/about/disciplinary_item.php?id=1705 - Different offence but example of leniency in spite of poor previous record for same offence and admittance in guilty verdict of potential to seriously injure.
Can't disagree and this is probably the one time I have criticised the disciplinary this season.

I stand by my view that lack of consistency is a real issue.
My final point is though that you have failed to supply high tackles where the ball carrier has been knocked unconscious and had to leave the field as a result. All of the above incidents are for very different things, so of course you won't get consistency.

Nobody agrees. I take it you thought there was no issue with O'Loughlins 'tackle' on Robinson? Despite Nathan Brown (recognised as a top coach in SL) thinking it was disgusting and threatening retribution!

With such varied views on exactly the same incident, how on earth can the panel win?

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They're the most exciting and that's why they will have been on the box 3 weeks running on friday. Oh and they're record breaking three in a row super league champions, but you know that. Go round to your mates house and stick some pins in dolls. When did wigan lose its village status, was it when they realised they had a town full of idiots.

This guy is clearly a nobhead.

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Is it really a surprise?

According to you Coley's ban was a slam dunk, and the evidence against Morley was "Inconclusive".

Time to open both eyes Dave, just like you seem to be preaching to everyone else.

Where do I preach for people to open both eyes? I give my opinion, you should try it some time, instead of just lying in wait for snide remarks.

If you lok at Coley's ban in isolatio I think it's about right but. however, incinsistency reigns again because, and Sorry dave T, the attack by Morley on Sherwin was worse in my opinion and I THINK Morley has a much poorer disciplinary record.
If anybody can show me the Morley incident I would be happy to review it again and stand corrected. I watched it after the event and because the ball had gone the best camera angle was a long shot which was inconclusive.

The inconclusive thing isn't something I have made up, these are the panels words:

The committee have scrutinised DVD very carefully. There was a collision and committee are not satisfied this could have been avoided. The committee are also not satisfied the initial contact was high but was towards the upper part of the body. The player

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Where do I preach for people to open both eyes? I give my opinion, you should try it some time, instead of just lying in wait for snide remarks.

If anybody can show me the Morley incident I would be happy to review it again and stand corrected. I watched it after the event and because the ball had gone the best camera angle was a long shot which was inconclusive.

The inconclusive thing isn't something I have made up, these are the panels words:

The committee have scrutinised DVD very carefully. There was a collision and committee are not satisfied this could have been avoided. The committee are also not satisfied the initial contact was high but was towards the upper part of the body. The player

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How come your opinion always sides with Wire's point of view?

Is it merely a coincidence?

Stop it Dave, you're killing me.

:rolleyes:

How come you ignore examples of me defending other clubs and players? My defence here is actually of the panel, and I also use an example of a Wigan player who was absolutely slated on here and by a top coach.

Why did you ignore that? Is it merely a coincidence?

If I say something against my club, people like you aren't queuing up to say anything, so I can't really win.

Of all the incidents that have involved my team on this thread, I said Carvell deserved a ban, Morley's was inconclusive (same as the panels), and I haven't seen the Brent Webb tackle against the Wire player.

I'm still waiting to see this TotalRL exlusive video of the Morley incident.

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How come you ignore examples of me defending other clubs and players? My defence here is actually of the panel, and I also use an example of a Wigan player who was absolutely slated on here and by a top coach.

Why did you ignore that? Is it merely a coincidence?

If I say something against my club, people like you aren't queuing up to say anything, so I can't really win.

Of all the incidents that have involved my team on this thread, I said Carvell deserved a ban, Morley's was inconclusive (same as the panels), and I haven't seen the Brent Webb tackle against the Wire player.

I'm still waiting to see this TotalRL exlusive video of the Morley incident.

Has anyone else agreed with your, completely unbiased, assessment of the Morley incident?

I demand that, if you are to pass judgement on Coley, you put a link up to the video in this thread. I also demand that you post video evidence of every other case you have stated on here. I mean, without video evidence, how are we to deem that anything is inconclusive?

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Has anyone else agreed with your, completely unbiased, assessment of the Morley incident?

I demand that, if you are to pass judgement on Coley, you put a link up to the video in this thread. I also demand that you post video evidence of every other case you have stated on here. I mean, without video evidence, how are we to deem that anything is inconclusive?

Yes, the disciplniary panel.

Both games were live on Sky so video evidence was used and in one case was conclusive, not so in the other.

All the incidents I have discussed have video evidence and we have seen them on TV. I genuinely must have missed the clip which shows this horrific Morley incident (and so did the panel it seems).

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Yes, the disciplniary panel.

Both games were live on Sky so video evidence was used and in one case was conclusive, not so in the other.

All the incidents I have discussed have video evidence and we have seen them on TV. I genuinely must have missed the clip which shows this horrific Morley incident (and so did the panel it seems).

So now we are at the point whereby we agree with every decision that the panel makes?

It seems to me that it suits you to agree with the one regarding Morley.

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So now we are at the point whereby we agree with every decision that the panel makes?

It seems to me that it suits you to agree with the one regarding Morley.

If you actually read the whole thread, and weren't just a wind-up merchant you would see that I actually started off in a thread stating that I thought the panel was right and had no issues with them, in a thread that was nothing about Morley.

Naturally, a Wigan fan threw a couple of Wire incidents my way to challenge the consistency thing, and that is how we got to Morley.

I also supported the panels decision on O'Loughlin and Peacock, how does that fit into the whole Warrington thing?

I get sick of week in week out people complaining about inconsistency from both refs and the panel, when on here none of us can agree. Forget the Morley incident (I am being genuine when I say I haven't seen a camera view that shows anything worthwhile), and let's talk about the O'Loughlin incident.

It was a Wigan player and he was slaughtered by most on here and in the post-match interview with Brown. The panel take the emotion away and look at things for a good while with loads of camera angles where available. Sure I have no doubts that they make mistakes, but your argument that I am biased towards Wire was actually nothing to do with this thread, and I was defending the panel and process well before Wire were thrown into the mix (like you will often find me doing on ref threads).

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If you actually read the whole thread, and weren't just a wind-up merchant you would see that I actually started off in a thread stating that I thought the panel was right and had no issues with them, in a thread that was nothing about Morley.

Naturally, a Wigan fan threw a couple of Wire incidents my way to challenge the consistency thing, and that is how we got to Morley.

I also supported the panels decision on O'Loughlin and Peacock, how does that fit into the whole Warrington thing?

I get sick of week in week out people complaining about inconsistency from both refs and the panel, when on here none of us can agree. Forget the Morley incident (I am being genuine when I say I haven't seen a camera view that shows anything worthwhile), and let's talk about the O'Loughlin incident.

It was a Wigan player and he was slaughtered by most on here and in the post-match interview with Brown. The panel take the emotion away and look at things for a good while with loads of camera angles where available. Sure I have no doubts that they make mistakes, but your argument that I am biased towards Wire was actually nothing to do with this thread, and I was defending the panel and process well before Wire were thrown into the mix (like you will often find me doing on ref threads).

Sorry Dave, but the O'Loughlin thing has always been a red herring.

There was nothing in that tackle, and most people can see that.

I'm concerned that you can't see the wrong in Morley's "tackle", but if you haven't seen it, you haven't seen it.

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My opiniom remains that Morley's tackle was dirtier and more dangerous. Plus he has more previous than Attila the Hun. I am not even complaining about Coley's sending off or his ban. And yet Wires make sneering, dismissive posts about my opinion while expressing their own views as gospels. It appears my opinion is shared by plenty of others, inc non Wigan fans, and hence objectively not bonkers.

If this had been an anti Wire thread one of them would have gone boo hoo and had the thing locked.

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The real horror from this weekend is the fact that Korkidas got away with an elbow aimed towards the head of Dobson after he had passed the ball. Now whether he actually made contact with his elbow to the head I am not sure from the one quick replay I have seen. But the ball was gone he only had eyes for Dobson and he clearly had his elbow raised going forward.

No charge is the result. Absolute disgrace, at least Fakir was looking at the guy who whacked him!

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Sorry Dave, but the O'Loughlin thing has always been a red herring.

There was nothing in that tackle, and most people can see that.

I'm concerned that you can't see the wrong in Morley's "tackle", but if you haven't seen it, you haven't seen it.

Think what you want, there was an awful lot of debate about the O'Loughlin tackle, just like there was the Morley tackle.

People wanted them both stringing up, yet the panel found them both innocent, that is why there is a similarity.

I'm sure you think I am taking the P about the Morley thing but I am 100% genuine in saying I have not seen a close up or a decent angle, as most of the cameras had moved on with the ball. This was the reason I asked for any links or evidence, as I am suspecting I have genuinely missed something with the way everybody is going on.

I know when people were making stuff up about the Hudds disallowed try at Wembley last year, Sam came on with photo evidence showing the players arm on the ground, I thought somebody (who is more techically minded than me) may be able to do the same, or may have been able to at the time. The fact is that there is no benefit to me sticking to my guns on this one, if Morley did something, so what, me seeing a camera angle that proves it and changing my opinion is not now going to get him a ban! I'm not even saying he didn't foul the player, I am saying there was no decent camera angle (and the panels words back that up).

There really isn't much more I can say about that incident, I watched the match back after the event, and IMHO it didn't show a good angle, certainly no close up. I was interested to see if I had missed an angle, yet people put that down to bias, then fine.

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My opiniom remains that Morley's tackle was dirtier and more dangerous. Plus he has more previous than Attila the Hun. I am not even complaining about Coley's sending off or his ban. And yet Wires make sneering, dismissive posts about my opinion while expressing their own views as gospels. It appears my opinion is shared by plenty of others, inc non Wigan fans, and hence objectively not bonkers.

If this had been an anti Wire thread one of them would have gone boo hoo and had the thing locked.

You think my initial response of:

Ah, now that's a surprise.

was sneering and dismissive? Really, good God!

How can somebody express their own view as Gospel? They are my views, I regularly use IMHO etc. but I am allowed to express them, and am allowed to challenge other people's.

There are plenty of people who think that O'Loughlin deserved a ban, in fact the furore it caused at the time was very similar to the Morley one, and guess what, it gets dismissed on here as a red herring.

I was happy to engage in decent discussion, see the posts with giwildgo, believe it or not, not everybody has an agenda, not everybody hates your beloved Wigan, and my original involvement in this thread was to highlight the fact that we get complaints about consistency whichever way it goes.

O'Loughlin gets let off - fans go mad saying there is favouritism to Wigan.

Coley gets a ban - fans go mad saying that Wigan are victimised.

The only consistent thing here is that the fans go mad, they really can't win.

Are you going to bang on about that thread getting locked in every thread? It is irellevant, God knows who reported it, and I wouldn't be surprised if it wasn't even a Wire fan who did. I know I certainly didn't and from knowing other Wire fans style on here, I would be stunned if they complained about it!

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Ah, now that's a surprise.

IIRC the camera angles were inconclusive to say the least.

Any more? I am genuinely interested in these lists of high tackles that knocked the player out and made him leave the field concussed.

It was the "now that's a surprise" that was annoying. What was the point you were making?

I do not think many folk care that much about my beloved Wigan, but mine is a perfectly valid opinion, expressed as such. Other opinions are as valid as your own - mine is shared by others, Wiganers and non-Wiganers alike.

I agree with much else on the thread, but took a hugely disproportionate exception to that.

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It was the "now that's a surprise" that was annoying. What was the point you were making?

I do not think many folk care that much about my beloved Wigan, but mine is a perfectly valid opinion, expressed as such. Other opinions are as valid as your own - mine is shared by others, Wiganers and non-Wiganers alike.

I agree with much else on the thread, but took a hugely disproportionate exception to that.

In that case, I sincerely apologise. It was said in jest, in a 'here we go down the Wire v Wigan route' that many of these threads go down whether we mean them to or not.

Didn't mean anything personal, it was purely based on the fact that you were a Wigan fan and I'm a Wire fan.

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