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Willie Manu - Call up for England

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Steve McNamara is just using the international rules as they are today. i am of the opinion that once you have played senior international Rugby League for one country you should be made to stick with that country.

the whole situation needs to be looked at seriously, as it stands today its a joke.

Edited by The Future is League

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it really is strange why tomkins has been missed out, if it is an oversight it is a shocking one that they should be ashamed of, worse still do they know something we don't?

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it really is strange why tomkins has been missed out, if it is an oversight it is a shocking one that they should be ashamed of, worse still do they know something we don't?

Agree with you on the Joel Tomkins ommission but back row is our strongest area, maybe McNamara feels we don't need him.

The forward power looks good but we look very lightweight in the outside backs.

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Steve Macnamara was on Radio Blunderside toneet, for his sins, and spoke very well.

It's not a train on squad as such, he said he simply wanted to get players together from the current European Super League, to see how they interacted and to find out who would and who wouldn't add to an England team, in the bonding sense, rather than out on the field.

He spoke about personalities rather than form as, from his words, a happy squad is more likely to succeed than one that isn't. I wonder if he was referring to our last debacle down under in the world cup when he chose to say that...

Ah! Cool. Hopefully he'll be able to sort out the players who just don't fit & will give Joel Tomkins & Johnny Lomax a chance in a months or so's time?

Agree with you on the Joel Tomkins ommission but back row is our strongest area, maybe McNamara feels we don't need him.

The forward power looks good but we look very lightweight in the outside backs.

What about Tom Briscoe & Peter Fox?

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Jon Wilkin?

I stopped taking that list seriously right then.

He certainly isn't picking on form - Wilkin, Moore? former having been injured and latter terrible this season. Carvell? who has been awful (when fit) and massively outshone by his clubmate Paul Wood. Clubb and LMS? who both have played big roles for the lowest English SL team. No Leon Pryce who has played out of his skin recently (most assists of all English players this year). Clubb and Sykes in the centres over Gleeson? Manu over any English bloke? Four players from Bradford? The top three English try scorers overlooked (Goulding, Riley and Hodgson) and the top English try scoring centre (Welham)?

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Hodgson?

I think a fair case could be made over Broughton to be fair. Not that I'd have either in a squad if I was picking it.

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Actually I thought you meant Brett... :lol:

:lol:

How long has he been in England again? ;)

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McNamara is having a laugh Westerman and Sykes have done nothing this season to warrant selection. Id also pick Brough before Brown or McGuire. Leon Pryce should be one of the first names in the squad as should Joel Tomkins. Id also include all the NRL based players for the 4 nations even Widdop and Flanagan. McNamara did nothing at Bradford and shouldnt have even got the job. Maybe it should have gone to Karl Harrison instead.

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On the Manu issue, I think as someone said, it's the rules that need changing, not the selection as the rules stand.

Yes it happens loads in other sports, but this isn't other sports, this is rugby league, and rugby league is ahead of the times, innovative and makes it's own decisions.

Therefore, it should do this on this matter too, in my opinion.

However, as long as the rules are as they are, if we (England) don't follow them accordingly, the Kiwis and Aussies and every other nation will, and we'll be shooting ourselves in the foot.

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On the Manu issue, I think as someone said, it's the rules that need changing, not the selection as the rules stand.

Yes it happens loads in other sports, but this isn't other sports, this is rugby league, and rugby league is ahead of the times, innovative and makes it's own decisions.

Therefore, it should do this on this matter too, in my opinion.

However, as long as the rules are as they are, if we (England) don't follow them accordingly, the Kiwis and Aussies and every other nation will, and we'll be shooting ourselves in the foot.

Ah, so two wrongs DO make a right. Let'sall kick up a fuss if the Aussies or Kiwis do it but England are simply "playing by the rules as they currently stand" Which by the way is wrong if Manu did play at the 2009 PC.

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Ah, so two wrongs DO make a right. Let'sall kick up a fuss if the Aussies or Kiwis do it but England are simply "playing by the rules as they currently stand" Which by the way is wrong if Manu did play at the 2009 PC.

Manu was definitely listed in the Tonga squad before the tournament, I've seen it on several websites (including the NRL one) but I can't yet find any actual team lists from the games themselves. So I'm not sure if he did play or not. If he did then he's ineligible for anyone else until 2012.

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Ah, so two wrongs DO make a right. Let'sall kick up a fuss if the Aussies or Kiwis do it but England are simply "playing by the rules as they currently stand" Which by the way is wrong if Manu did play at the 2009 PC.

Firstly, if it's in the rules, it's not wrong, and maybe I wasn't clear, that's the issue I have a grievance with, not the fact any nation is doing what they are well within their rights to do.

Until RL is innovative, and changes these International selection regulations, these selections are not WRONG, when any nation does it.

If it is wrong in Manu's case, then surely England will be informed, and Manu replaced. You can't break the rules - as Samoa found in the World Cup. Unfortunately, the rules are already 'not very good'. (insert more appropriate language here)

Edited by no13benny

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you misunderstand/i didntmake it clear..

its not playing for one then the other iunderstand that dont like it but understand it..

its about when you can change.. there was some rule about world cup cycles.. you couldnt change within a world cup cycle.. as such qualification re started at the final whistle of the last world cup, after that you played for one you couldn play for another until the final whistle of the 2013 world cup final.. stupidy you could play in that world cup final for one team then turn out for another the next day..

as such playing in 2009 would rule him out..

(i have no issue with people qualifying to play, justnot when they have played for anyone else ever IMO)

Apologies, I did understand your point, but counted 2009 as before the 2008 World Cup, which it clearly wasn't!!!! :blush:

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That squad is a joke.

Langley?? C'mon, FFS.

:rolleyes:

It's only a get together, that said, it proves why Bradford are 5h1te and thats with no money. :lol:

know he doesn't need money, and he picks half wits as well, maybe he's been blinkered for too many years at the Dulls. ;);)

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Firstly, if it's in the rules, it's not wrong, and maybe I wasn't clear, that's the issue I have a grievance with, not the fact any nation is doing what they are well within their rights to do.

Until RL is innovative, and changes these International selection regulations, these selections are not WRONG, when any nation does it.

If it is wrong in Manu's case, then surely England will be informed, and Manu replaced. You can't break the rules - as Samoa found in the World Cup. Unfortunately, the rules are already 'not very good'. (insert more appropriate language here)

Ok then, not RLIF lawfully wrong but certainly morally wrong. I thought we were above this sort of ######. Manu has played for Tonga. End of story for me. He could live here for the rest of his life but it still wouldn't make him English. It's not just McNamara who's immoral here. Manu can't have much respect for his background unless of course there's a WC on the horizon.

Edited by deluded pom?

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Ok then, not RLIF lawfully wrong but certainly morally wrong. I thought we were above this sort of ######. Manu has played for Tonga. End of story for me. He could live here for the rest of his life but it still wouldn't make him English. It's not just McNamara who's immoral here. Manu can't have much respect for his background unless of course there's a WC on the horizon.

1000000000000000000000% agree.

No respect for his family, his country or anything else to do with Tonga.

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Jeez put your frickin lip away, some who arnt there will be at the end of the season and many who are there wont be.

If he won't be there then why bother winding people up by picking him now?

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