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  1. 1. Who will win?

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Well I certainly respect your opinion more than his - and if the ref has made so many terrible mistakes, then he too will be monitored and managed accordingly. You say there are too many baffling decisions to list - can you list any of them - surely the players were at fault sometimes??

I apologise if it feels that I picked up on those points to just have a go

The main gripe from where I was stood was that we were getting pinged for offences that Catalan were getting away with - in particular offside, not being square and messing around at the play of the ball. I'm not suggesting we weren't guilty of any of those offences, I'm sure we were, but Catalan were seeming offside for most of the match yet rarely (in the first half at least) got penalised. It just felt way too one sided - not sure of the actual figure but someone claimed the pen count was 14-4 at half time. I wasn't counting but it wouldn't surprise me.

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The penalty count at halftime was 17-5 FFS.

With respect, I didn't know there was a rule saying it had to be even

I am sure the game and reffing will be reviewed - by impartial observers

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I am guessing such a long losing run being continued against a team with nothing to play for and everything to hold themselves back for is in part due to a combination of poor defence and attack, and that concentrating on that is a better place to start than the referee.

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I also expect Bradford as a club to make an official complaint regarding Mr Child today and that unbelievable first half.

How he find the time to pull us for all those penalties I'll never know.

I agree with John in that Cummings can't ignore this shocking display.

Us the supporters pay good money to watch the game, not the idiot with the whistle giving 20+ penalties very 40:00 minutes.

If anyone would like a copy of todays game, please PM me and I'll send you a copy later this week.

It most certainly will make interesting viewing.

Apologies if anyone is upset by my constant moaning about the officials but today I feel I'm more than justified to criticise them.

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Childs was absolutely garbage. Someone asked what were all the penalties for? I think you'd have to ask the ref that because he seemed to be making it up as he went along.

He was constantly penalising the bulls for laying on or hands in,

And re: Offsides. Cats were offside by huge margins, constantly.

So he wasnt making em up, laying on, offsides etc

L'estrange made a quick break from dummy half and shouted at the ref that they were all offside. I presume he didn't swear at the ref (there was no need it was that blatant) yet the result? Penalty to Cats.

And now your presuming John, come on, your better than this

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Lee, not saying we weren't possibly doing those things I'm saying that's waht Childs blew for (I think) but if we were it was less blatant than the Cats...who got away with it.

Anyway that's my final word on it. You can't even really comment on the game becuase it was hard to gauge how good Les Cats were or how bad the Bulls were. But I will say this, I think they did pretty well to almost win!

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If we had won John, it would have been the greatest sporting victory ever.

Because you just don't win games with a 22-9 penalty count against you.

So well played Bradford on getting to within two points of them.

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Childs is a young, green ref.

I know I've posted this before, but one of the reasons I went to the USA v Russia game at Wilderspool in the '95 Emerging Nations, was cos Karl Kirkpatrick was the ref.

Being from Warrington, and the rules at the time, I hadn't seen him in action, and preinterweb the LE letterbox was crammed with rants about him.

I'll admit, at the game he puzzled a couple of thousand speccies, and players, from both sides.

However, you have to learn your trade, go in too deep and learn to swim properly, as it were.

KK went on to be ref of the year, and he's a loss to the game now.

Let Childs learn.

OK, he might have had a bad day at the office, but if he learns and improves.....

I'll add that 31 pens won't have been for nothing, maybe a bit of over zealousy, though.

Enough about the ref.

11 on the spin, beats our record.(see my sig..)

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If we had won John, it would have been the greatest sporting victory ever.

What twaddle!

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The ref certainly was "whistle happy" today - I've never seen a ref give so many penalties and have so little control over the game! A game between these two sides was never going to be champagne rugby, but with penalties here there and everywhere and a knock on every other minute I have never heard the whistle so much. I wonder what the longest period was between the ref blowing his whistle was - it can't have been more than a minute.

Most frustrating example of reffing today was when a Bulls player moved off of the mark and got pinged for it - fair enough. Then 20 minutes later a Catalan player does the same thing and the ref only gives him a warning. To be fair at the last second Childs remembered his mistake and gave Bradford a penalty - regardless that sort of stuff always frustrates the fans - but both sets of players were mightily cheesed off at some of the decisions today.

I know a lot of folk will say the same old stuff about the refs not supposed to be the focus etc - and I agree. But I doubt anyone who was actually at the game would say any of these complaints that I and others have raised about the ref today aren't legitimate.

Don't get me wrong, it didn't affect the outcome at all - I think the Bulls were a tad unlucky not to win, but that's down to their own lack of confidence rather "dodgy refs calls", but today was a rare occasion where the ref actually spoiled my enjoyment of the game.

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Mick gets a lot of stick on here for his comments about refs and he certainly does go OTT at times, but for the benefit of those who weren't there today, I can tell you Mick's comments are largely justified. Child was almost indescribably bad and was certainly responsible for at least three Catalan tries by giving inexplicable penalties. My mate, who has played a lot of RL and very rarely criticises referees, felt today's game would have been better with no ref at all. I can't remember any game where players were so often penalised in possession, or for dissent, the whole thing descended into farce well before half time with Child inventing new and exciting reasons to blow his whistle almost every minute. It was even worse than Rugby Union.

Having said that, Bradford lost the game themselves, Catalans didn't win it. Having gone in front for the first time in months, it was entirely predictable that the team would implode and toss it away, as they duly did. Catalans were p*ss poor and a decent team would have hit them for fifty, but Bradford are by no stretch of the imagination a decent team.

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Mick gets a lot of stick on here for his comments about refs and he certainly does go OTT at times, but for the benefit of those who weren't there today, I can tell you Mick's comments are largely justified. Child was almost indescribably bad and was certainly responsible for at least three Catalan tries by giving inexplicable penalties. My mate, who has played a lot of RL and very rarely criticises referees, felt today's game would have been better with no ref at all. I can't remember any game where players were so often penalised in possession, or for dissent, the whole thing descended into farce well before half time with Child inventing new and exciting reasons to blow his whistle almost every minute. It was even worse than Rugby Union.

Having said that, Bradford lost the game themselves, Catalans didn't win it. Having gone in front for the first time in months, it was entirely predictable that the team would implode and toss it away, as they duly did. Catalans were p*ss poor and a decent team would have hit them for fifty, but Bradford are by no stretch of the imagination a decent team.

The first two Catalans tries came from four penalties given by Child as did the last, but for what the third one was for, hell knows because the everyone was onside and all square.

No wonder you have players looking bewildered and then frustrated when you have a referee who is hell bent on destroying the game by blowing up for mysterious things.

Never in a million years did we deserve to be penalised that many times when the Dragons were if not worse at trying to keep onside and square.

No shock to any of us then that St Hillaire laid into him at half time when going down the tunnel.

But Child wasn't the reason we lost today, kicking out on the full twice and after we had got level, Menzies knocks-on and then when 22-16 in front he knocks on again (bless him) and then with Sykes throwing the ball in touch and Platt knocking on with the line open, we made far too many crucial mistakes at key points in the game.

But James Child well done beating Steve Ganson's 25-25 all draw performance from 2005 in the game at Odsal vs Widnes.

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The ref certainly was "whistle happy" today - I've never seen a ref give so many penalties and have so little control over the game! A game between these two sides was never going to be champagne rugby, but with penalties here there and everywhere and a knock on every other minute I have never heard the whistle so much. I wonder what the longest period was between the ref blowing his whistle was - it can't have been more than a minute.

Most frustrating example of reffing today was when a Bulls player moved off of the mark and got pinged for it - fair enough. Then 20 minutes later a Catalan player does the same thing and the ref only gives him a warning. To be fair at the last second Childs remembered his mistake and gave Bradford a penalty - regardless that sort of stuff always frustrates the fans - but both sets of players were mightily cheesed off at some of the decisions today.

I know a lot of folk will say the same old stuff about the refs not supposed to be the focus etc - and I agree. But I doubt anyone who was actually at the game would say any of these complaints that I and others have raised about the ref today aren't legitimate.

Don't get me wrong, it didn't affect the outcome at all - I think the Bulls were a tad unlucky not to win, but that's down to their own lack of confidence rather "dodgy refs calls", but today was a rare occasion where the ref actually spoiled my enjoyment of the game.

He was appalling mate and I await what Mr Cummings has to say about his performance today.

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Apologies if anyone is upset by my constant moaning about the officials but today I feel I'm more than justified to criticise them.

But YOU promised that you wouldn't do it any more. Off your own back, YOU started a thread to say you have given up focusing on the ref.

You didn't say anything about keeping quiet until they ###### you off again and you throw your toys out of the pram.

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He was appalling mate and I await what Mr Cummings has to say about his performance today.

How will you know what Cummings has to say?

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But YOU promised that you wouldn't do it any more. Off your own back, YOU started a thread to say you have given up focusing on the ref.

You didn't say anything about keeping quiet until they ###### you off again and you throw your toys out of the pram.

Today was impossible ignore Dave.

Would you be happy if on Sunday in the cup semi-final the referee gave 17 first half penalties to Catalans while they themselves were doing just as much holding down and straying offside and yet the referee only gave you 5 penalties?

That is what happened today at Odsal and I'm sorry but I love Rugby League and more importantly my club and to have my enjoyment ruined by a idiot in green who couldn't keep the whistle out of his mouth for more than 20 seconds, a referee who is hell bent on destroying the game then I can't let it pass.

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Childs is a young, green ref.

I know I've posted this before, but one of the reasons I went to the USA v Russia game at Wilderspool in the '95 Emerging Nations, was cos Karl Kirkpatrick was the ref.

Being from Warrington, and the rules at the time, I hadn't seen him in action, and preinterweb the LE letterbox was crammed with rants about him.

I'll admit, at the game he puzzled a couple of thousand speccies, and players, from both sides.

However, you have to learn your trade, go in too deep and learn to swim properly, as it were.

KK went on to be ref of the year, and he's a loss to the game now.

Let Childs learn.

OK, he might have had a bad day at the office, but if he learns and improves.....

I'll add that 31 pens won't have been for nothing, maybe a bit of over zealousy, though.

Enough about the ref.

11 on the spin, beats our record.(see my sig..)

Friday the 14th May seems so long away mate, but I guess in 50 years time when the grandchildren come around I can say that I was there at every game during the famous 11 game losing run which will turn to 12 I guess because it's St Helens away next :(

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Today was impossible ignore Dave.

Would you be happy if on Sunday in the cup semi-final the referee gave 17 first half penalties to Catalans while they themselves were doing just as much holding down and straying offside and yet the referee only gave you 5 penalties?

That is what happened today at Odsal and I'm sorry but I love Rugby League and more importantly my club and to have my enjoyment ruined by a idiot in green who couldn't keep the whistle out of his mouth for more than 20 seconds, a referee who is hell bent on destroying the game then I can't let it pass.

I watched the Play-off game, Cats v Wires 2 years back.

We got a penalty in the 1st minute, kicked the 2.

Next penalty we got was on about 49 mins, with a back to back pen, and we scored our try.

Game was dead then anyway.

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Today was impossible ignore Dave.

Would you be happy if on Sunday in the cup semi-final the referee gave 17 first half penalties to Catalans while they themselves were doing just as much holding down and straying offside and yet the referee only gave you 5 penalties?

That is what happened today at Odsal and I'm sorry but I love Rugby League and more importantly my club and to have my enjoyment ruined by a idiot in green who couldn't keep the whistle out of his mouth for more than 20 seconds, a referee who is hell bent on destroying the game then I can't let it pass.

Anybody else would get away with that argument Mick, but again, YOU said you wouldn't do this again, not until you got ###### off again.

This is the 2nd game this weekend where you felt the need to slag off the ref, despite promising not to and claiming you were a changed man.

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I watched the Play-off game, Cats v Wires 2 years back.

We got a penalty in the 1st minute, kicked the 2.

Next penalty we got was on about 49 mins, with a back to back pen, and we scored our try.

Game was dead then anyway.

Steve Ganson was the referee was he not?

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Friday the 14th May seems so long away mate, but I guess in 50 years time when the grandchildren come around I can say that I was there at every game during the famous 11 game losing run which will turn to 12 I guess because it's St Helens away next :(

Lovely, you end your streak, we secure 2nd.

After "wide to West", is there a better place to get a win?

Believe, mate, it could happen.

I'm serious.

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Steve Ganson was the referee was he not?

He was.

He also was in charge the following week, when Wigan won, and seemed to be "less of a home-team ref" than our game.

Even with that slanted view on my post, Wigan won cos they deserved to, and this is miles away from Bulls v Dragons. ;)

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Well we beat St Helens away last year by 34-30 when I was questioning if the scoreboard had enough room for three digits.

This two week break is crucial.

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That was the most bizarre display of referreeing I have ever seen in my entire life. Absolutely had to be seen to be believed. I've been watching this game for a long time now, and I just couldn't fathom what was going on. It was one of those matches when it's got past the booing and everyone is just looking at each other with blank expressions saying WTF?

The only time it seemed to make sense was when he sin-binned Worincy for persistent offending. I mean, the guy had quite literally just run on the field as a sub, so it was clearly a case of mistaken identity (!) but it was Worincy, so every cloud and that...

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What twaddle!

Perhaps not the greatest achievement ever but it would have been remarkable. At one stage Cats were getting set after set (for reasons not apparent) on the Bulls line and somehow Bradford held out. It was a good effort to almost win the game.

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