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How wrong was it to see james childs embracing Keiron Cunningham.......very wrong if you ask me. If Childs gets the saints v wire game i'd be very worried as a warrington fan. Cunninghams been on the end of some very charitable decisions from referees throughout his career and this is a very worrying show of affection from a so called impartial referee.

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I didn't see the incident you refer to, but if true, then Childs should be dropped immediatley from all possibilty of refing play-off games.

Refs and players should be kept very much apart.

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Refs and players should be kept very much apart.

Surely they can socialise with players off the field, esp if they're from the same town.

As long as they give taxi ranks and weddings a wide berth, obviously.

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How wrong was it to see james childs embracing Keiron Cunningham.......very wrong if you ask me. If Childs gets the saints v wire game i'd be very worried as a warrington fan. Cunninghams been on the end of some very charitable decisions from referees throughout his career and this is a very worrying show of affection from a so called impartial referee.

No worse than Ian Smith's embracing of the whole Leeds team tonight.

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No issue from me.

I shouldn't have happen JC & KC embracing, but it did. afterall its the end of a 16/7 "super" career.

JC not good enough for th big games (placed 5-8 can have him :P )

Silverwood and Benthem for the top 4 :D:D (please not smith FFS!!)

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There should be an invisible 2m around the officials that no player should cross unless by accident (eg running at full pelt, but even then they should be seen to make every effort to avoid collision, perhaps put their hands behind their backs or down their shorts so that they avoid any flailing arms). The 2m should be extended if any player has very long arms, legs or massive beer belly.

However, officials can cross the 2m themselves, but only to talk in a gruff voice. They must never smile, wink or have any normal conversation with any player or coach.

After they retire from officialdom, they may have 'normal' contact with ex players etc, but not with any current players or coaches

1 year after they retire, they can speak to anyone - but never bring the game into disrepute by discussing present officials - gossip or facts

After 2 years they can marry them if they like - then the 2m will naturally come back, along with the long silences, stern voices, and making every effort to avoid contact

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There should be an invisible 2m around the officials that no player should cross unless by accident (eg running at full pelt, but even then they should be seen to make every effort to avoid collision, perhaps put their hands behind their backs or down their shorts so that they avoid any flailing arms). The 2m should be extended if any player has very long arms, legs or massive beer belly.

However, officials can cross the 2m themselves, but only to talk in a gruff voice. They must never smile, wink or have any normal conversation with any player or coach.

After they retire from officialdom, they may have 'normal' contact with ex players etc, but not with any current players or coaches

1 year after they retire, they can speak to anyone - but never bring the game into disrepute by discussing present officials - gossip or facts

After 2 years they can marry them if they like - then the 2m will naturally come back, along with the long silences, stern voices, and making every effort to avoid contact

:lol: Excellent post, but kindly keep your carnal thoughts to yourself.

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No worse than Ian Smith's embracing of the whole Leeds team tonight.

Missed the end of that match due to setting off for KR. If true, then another worry! B)

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No issue from me.

Even on TV, what happened at the end of that game was one of those unforgettable, goosebump, moments and I would imagine that for anyone actually there (even for a below average SL referee) it would have been impossible not to have 'got caught up in the moment'!

For actually having the moral fibre to reject the Union shilling, Cunningham is univerally respected in RL circles and surely deserves all the acclaim he gets!

I would also say that prior to his elbow injury at Blackburn in 2002, he was the greatest hooker I have seen outside of Prague!

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I'm sorry, but this incident and others over the weekend display why there is a big question mark over RL officiating and the relationship between the officials and certain clubs. Having a situation where the match officials are sponsored by an organisation that lives cheek-by-jowl with one club and then seeing one match official embracing a player from another club does not look good for Rugby League and it would still not look good even if there is nothing untoward going on. Anyone looking at this situation with even a modicum of common sense must be raising their eyebrows, especially when you consider which clubs have contested the last three grand finals. The arrogant hubris of those at the RFL and those club officials and players who are obviously too close to them is deeply worrying and will, in the fullness of time, I believe, come to haunt our game. The governing body, its match officials and the clubs all need to have a good look at themselves as a matter of some urgency.

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No issue from me.

Even on TV, what happened at the end of that game was one of those unforgettable, goosebump, moments and I would imagine that for anyone actually there (even for a below average SL referee) it would have been impossible not to have 'got caught up in the moment'!

For actually having the moral fibre to reject the Union shilling, Cunningham is univerally respected in RL circles and surely deserves all the acclaim he gets!

I would also say that prior to his elbow injury at Blackburn in 2002, he was the greatest hooker I have seen outside of Prague!

Excellent post

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No issue from me.

Even on TV, what happened at the end of that game was one of those unforgettable, goosebump, moments and I would imagine that for anyone actually there (even for a below average SL referee) it would have been impossible not to have 'got caught up in the moment'!

For actually having the moral fibre to reject the Union shilling, Cunningham is univerally respected in RL circles and surely deserves all the acclaim he gets!

I would also say that prior to his elbow injury at Blackburn in 2002, he was the greatest hooker I have seen outside of Prague!

I beg to differ - Cunningham is not universally respected in RL circles, indeed for many there hangs a shadow over his whole career.

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I beg to differ - Cunningham is not universally respected in RL circles, indeed for many there hangs a shadow over his whole career.

why?

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I beg to differ - Cunningham is not universally respected in RL circles, indeed for many there hangs a shadow over his whole career.

You mention 'whole' career! Why?

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What ever did happen with the drug situation by the way? It all sort of went quiet and I never found out what happened in the end.

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What ever did happen with the drug situation by the way? It all sort of went quiet and I never found out what happened in the end.

Swept under the carpet because he was a Saint! :D

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If you don't know why then you can't be a Saints fan.

Errrrrrrrr! Fifty years home and away. :D What I'm saying is why the 'whole' of his career as you mentioned? Did the alleged wrongdoing happen from day one?

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Errrrrrrrr! Fifty years home and away. :D What I'm saying is why the 'whole' of his career as you mentioned? Did the offence happen from day one?

What offence?

Even if there was an offence who knows for how long it was committed and by whom?

That shadow just won't go away now will it??

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What offence?

Even if there was an offence who knows for how long it was committed and by whom?

That shadow just won't go away now will it??

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Only from certain fans who are judge and jury.

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What offence?

Even if there was an offence who knows for how long it was committed and by whom?

That shadow just won't go away now will it??

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Only from certain fans who are judge and jury.

So you agree that the shadow does exist then?

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Errrrrrrrr! Fifty years home and away. :D What I'm saying is why the 'whole' of his career as you mentioned? Did the alleged wrongdoing happen from day one?

Alleged? he was found guilty. :lol:

From Times Online July 22, 2003

Cunningham named as guilty man in drugs affair

By Christopher Irvine

KEIRON CUNNINGHAM, the St Helens, Wales and Great Britain hooker, was revealed yesterday as the high-profile rugby league player found guilty in May of having taken a performance-enhancing drug. He tested positive for HCG (Human Chorionic Gonadotrophin), the hormone protein

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So you agree that the shadow does exist then?

Not at all. Without solid evidence one way or the other, how can anyone justify saying 'all of his career'?

Just like the referee postings, you seem to be judge and jury!

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Alleged? he was found guilty. :lol:

From Times Online July 22, 2003

Cunningham named as guilty man in drugs affair

By Christopher Irvine

KEIRON CUNNINGHAM, the St Helens, Wales and Great Britain hooker, was revealed yesterday as the high-profile rugby league player found guilty in May of having taken a performance-enhancing drug. He tested positive for HCG (Human Chorionic Gonadotrophin), the hormone protein

I'll concede that I got my wording wrong and that you are always right! :D

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